[GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread David T. via gnucash-devel
Hello, As I begin the process of migrating text from the Help to the Guide (cf. Bug 796855), I am working on the Help information regarding the New Account Hierarchy Setup (NAHS) assistant, and I have a couple of questions about the second screen of the assistant, the “New Book Options” screen.

Re: [GNC-dev] Long Term Documentation Directions

2018-09-12 Thread Mechtilde
Hello, sorry I send the E-Mail not to the list. Am 12.09.18 um 12:59 schrieb David Cousens: > Mechtilde, > > I wasn't suggesting we use google translate at all where there is a human > translator available and willing, but in some > languages it may be difficult to get a translator, even though

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread Geert Janssens
Op woensdag 12 september 2018 16:38:42 CEST schreef David T. via gnucash- devel: > Hello, > > As I begin the process of migrating text from the Help to the Guide (cf. Bug > 796855), I am working on the Help information regarding the New Account > Hierarchy Setup (NAHS) assistant, and I have a coup

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread Mechtilde
Hello David T. Am 12.09.18 um 16:38 schrieb David T. via gnucash-devel: > Hello, > > As I begin the process of migrating text from the Help to the Guide (cf. Bug > 796855), I am working on the Help information regarding the New Account > Hierarchy Setup (NAHS) assistant, and I have a couple of

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread Adrien Monteleone
As someone who has helped other people get started using GnuCash (and remembering my own first steps) I agree completely with these points. Those book preferences are not self explanatory. (perhaps bugs in their own right) A new user is left to either trust the defaults and move on, pause and re

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread David T. via gnucash-devel
Mechtilde, > On Sep 12, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Mechtilde wrote: > > Hello David T. > > Am 12.09.18 um 16:38 schrieb David T. via gnucash-devel: >> Hello, >> >> As I begin the process of migrating text from the Help to the Guide (cf. Bug >> 796855), I am working on the Help information regarding t

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread David T. via gnucash-devel
> On Sep 12, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Geert Janssens > wrote: > > Op woensdag 12 september 2018 16:38:42 CEST schreef David T. via gnucash- > devel: >> Hello, >> >> As I begin the process of migrating text from the Help to the Guide (cf. Bug >> 796855), I am working on the Help information regardin

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread Adrien Monteleone
David, Maybe the place to discuss these settings *is* right up front when explaining the setup? (though I agree, the assistant itself should walk the user through the selection with more information) Regards, Adrien > On Sep 12, 2018, at 11:01 AM, David T. via gnucash-devel > wrote: > > >

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread Geert Janssens
Op woensdag 12 september 2018 18:11:05 CEST schreef Adrien Monteleone: > David, > > Maybe the place to discuss these settings *is* right up front when > explaining the setup? (though I agree, the assistant itself should walk the > user through the selection with more information) > Well, on that

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread Mechtilde
Hello, what is the problem of a program to have functions than you use. If you look into the German translation i use all functions that are translated and some few more which have up to now no ducumentation and I have no time to do it. So we should first document functions wehre the documentat

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Mechtilde, I think there are some misunderstandings here. > On Sep 12, 2018, at 1:18 PM, Mechtilde wrote: > > Hello, > > what is the problem of a program to have functions than you use. > > If you look into the German translation i use all functions that are > translated and some few more whi

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread Frank H. Ellenberger
Am 12.09.2018 um 17:52 schrieb David T. via gnucash-devel: > I understand this and agree. I fully expect that these options will be > described within the Guide; my point is that the NAHS assistant presents > options to new users that they are unlikely to comprehend and do not actually > need to

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread David T. via gnucash-devel
Hello, I’d like to start by noting that this assistant is possibly one of the very first things a new user will encounter when they start GnuCash for the very first time, and it is this user upon which I am most focused. > On Sep 12, 2018, at 3:31 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger > wrote: > > Am 12.

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread John Ralls
> On Sep 12, 2018, at 3:00 PM, David T. via gnucash-devel > wrote: > > Hello, > > I’d like to start by noting that this assistant is possibly one of the very > first things a new user will encounter when they start GnuCash for the very > first time, and it is this user upon which I am most

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread Graham Menhennitt
On 13/09/2018 9:03 am, John Ralls wrote: ... have File>New just create a bare “Common Accounts” book for the current locale? We could pop up a dialog for opening balances on each of the bank accounts, cash-in-wallet, and the credit card. And that dialog could have an "Advanced settings" butto

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread David T. via gnucash-devel
> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:03 PM, John Ralls wrote: > > Most individuals who aren’t familiar with formal accounting should probably > be using something other than GnuCash. If all you want to do is keep track of > your credit card, demand bank account (“checking account” for us fogies who > rem

[GNC-dev] Git Questions With Documentation

2018-09-12 Thread David T. via gnucash-devel
Hello, I am sending this message as a heads up that I am preparing a PR for bug 796855, which seeks to pull content from the Help Manual Chapter 3 and put it into the Guide in Chapter 2. In the course of doing this, a number of other changes were called for, such that I needed to add the begi

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread David Cousens
On Wed, 2018-09-12 at 10:38 -0400, David T. via gnucash-devel wrote: > Hello, > > As I begin the process of migrating text from the Help to the Guide (cf. Bug > 796855), I am working on the Help > information regarding the New Account Hierarchy Setup (NAHS) assistant, and I > have a couple of qu

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread John Ralls
> On Sep 12, 2018, at 5:18 PM, David T. wrote: > > > >> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:03 PM, John Ralls wrote: >> >> Most individuals who aren’t familiar with formal accounting should probably >> be using something other than GnuCash. If all you want to do is keep track >> of your credit card, de

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread David Cousens
Adrien, While I agree with the concept David T is proposing to streamline the process for new users and the thrust of your comments about the new user experience, the new account heirarchy at least as it is currently implemented, will be used by anyone creating a new set of books, whether they a

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread D
On September 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, John Ralls wrote: >It’s not a bit disingenuous. Consider the millions of mostly satisfied Quicken >users out there, some of whom wander our way and wonder why they should have >to learn about accounting just to track their bank accounts. IMO most of them >

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread Frank H. Ellenberger
Am 13.09.2018 um 01:13 schrieb Graham Menhennitt: > On 13/09/2018 9:03 am, John Ralls wrote: >> ... have File>New just create a bare “Common Accounts” book for the >> current locale? We could pop up a dialog for opening balances on each >> of the bank accounts, cash-in-wallet, and the credit card.

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread Mechtilde
Hello DAvid t. Am 13.09.18 um 00:00 schrieb David T.: > Hello, > > > Perhaps this is a reflection of the jurisdiction in which you live, but most > users in the US setting up GnuCash for personal use You don't know how many users use GnuCash for Personal use. You don't know how many users us

Re: [GNC-dev] Git Questions With Documentation

2018-09-12 Thread David Cousens
> I tried to retain ch_accts.xml and ch_txns.xml in gnucash-guide.xml > and simply edit the three files so that > they became parts of a single chapter, but this resulted in mysterious > “Failure to process entity chapter2” errors > that I was entirely unable to edit away, except by copying the

[GNC-dev] Minority features and bad GUI decissions

2018-09-12 Thread Frank H. Ellenberger
David, when I talk in this thread about "traditional" or "standard" I mean the "Venetian Method" as first published by Fra. Pacioli with ink on paper probably in roman numbers (without zero or minus) Am 13.09.2018 um 00:00 schrieb David T.: >> * IMHO special options are at least >> in book option

Re: [GNC-dev] New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant Questions

2018-09-12 Thread Geert Janssens
Op donderdag 13 september 2018 01:03:49 CEST schreef John Ralls: > > On Sep 12, 2018, at 3:00 PM, David T. via gnucash-devel > > wrote: > That said, I think the only immutable parameter in setting up a new book is > the root account currency, and that can be derived from the locale. No, it can't.

Re: [GNC-dev] Git Questions With Documentation

2018-09-12 Thread Frank H. Ellenberger
David, Am 13.09.2018 um 02:46 schrieb David T. via gnucash-devel: > I tried to retain ch_accts.xml and ch_txns.xml in gnucash-guide.xml > and simply edit the three files so that they became parts of a single > chapter, but this resulted in mysterious “Failure to process entity chapter2” > error