Re: Gnome shell suggestions after a bit of usage

2011-07-07 Thread Robert Park
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Jairot Llopis wrote: > Talking about the windows and useless screen space, is not the title too > thick? Go to the universal access settings and set the font size smaller. the titlebar and the top bar become narrower, givin you more usable screen space. > I'm not

Re: The good, the bad, the insane

2011-05-25 Thread Robert Park
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Jesse Hutton wrote: > And, the "preferred" way of powering down by logging out and doing it in GDM > is surely not optimal given that most machines are single user systems. A > laptop is practically by definition a single user system. Gnome Shell is > just placing

Re: Unity feature I'd like to see in Gnome-Shell

2011-05-03 Thread Robert Park
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Dokuro wrote: > +1 for settings, more options will come in time! :) Hah! You must be new here. GNOME development has been trending towards fewer options, not more options, over the last many years. -- http://exolucere.ca _

Re: Autohide Top Bar?

2011-04-14 Thread Robert Park
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Mystilleef wrote: > I want to add that there are design compromises that can be made to > please most people. For example, the top bar can be hidden when > applications are maximized. The assumptions here is that when a user > maximized their application they real

Re: Terminology (was: Re: Some small ideas for the Shell Panel and Overview)

2011-04-13 Thread Robert Park
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Looking at context, I think you're right - thanks for the catch. My > answer is almost the same, though - I never use that at all, and I agree > with you and John that it seems completely useless. It's always felt to > me like something tha

Re: Some small ideas for the Shell Panel and Overview

2011-04-13 Thread Robert Park
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 14:45 +0300, John Stowers wrote: >> In my use of the shell thus far I have *never* used the application >> menu. Has anyone? > > once, when I wanted to test gnome-games and couldn't remember the name > of anything in i

Re: Idea: show potential apps in the search

2011-04-12 Thread Robert Park
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: > First, there would be hundreds of matches, especially when you type the > beginning of a word; there's no point in showing installable apps if the > user is actually looking for a known installed app, which is the most > common case.

Re: Idea: show potential apps in the search

2011-04-12 Thread Robert Park
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Florian Müllner wrote: > Low on the priority list. It's also a bit more complex than it may seem > at first sight, as for now search is synchronous (and you really really > don't want to block on package-kit, which is ... a bit on the slow > side ;-) ) Well, that'

Re: Snap Windows to the side with hot keys

2011-04-11 Thread Robert Park
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 8:56 AM, John Daily Jr. wrote: > I've been using G3 for a while now and I'm loving it. Is there a way I > can assign keyboard shortcuts to snap a window to the right or left? I would also like such a feature, as it would be useful on a netbook with a poor quality trackpad t

Re: Gnome 3: Too much space wasted

2011-04-10 Thread Robert Park
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Chris wrote: > This would allow the removal of the entire window title bar, 85% of > which is wasted space anyway. The only slight problem with this almost > perfect plan is that it makes moving windows around more difficult, in > some cases you have to use the al

Re: Gnome 3: Too much space wasted

2011-04-10 Thread Robert Park
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Hoang Le wrote: > Gnome 3 is a great leap. I definitely love it: clean, smart and > recognizable. I really appreciate that > But does anyone notice is that it wastes too much space? To me, all  margins > seem to be big. As a developer, I would like to have more sc

Re: Idea: having a hotkey, dialog box for searching apps?

2011-04-09 Thread Robert Park
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > G E D > > Measured with recording that it takes around 200ms. I think the better > question would be, "Why is this not fast enough for you?" I found the d to be unnecessary, I can get gedit just from typing 'ge', but I guess that varies

Re: Some small ideas for the Shell Panel and Overview

2011-04-09 Thread Robert Park
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Marshall Neill wrote: > Right-handed people would seem to look to the right and moving the mouse to > the right is easier. Do you have any evidence to back this up? I ask because i've been mousing with my right hand for at least two decades and I've never experien

Re: GNOME design principles: It's not that they're disliked by critics, it's that there are missing principles

2011-04-09 Thread Robert Park
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Rob Walker wrote: > 1. Search requires to have prior knowledge of names. It doesn't. The search also searches the description and keywords associated with each app. Granted, there are cases where obvious keywords are missing. this was discussed recently, check the

Re: dash tasks

2011-04-08 Thread Robert Park
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > Hmm, the Dash is actually a nice mini-taskbar. Works well where the app > on favourites are open in different workspaces. Yeah! One of my favorite parts of the new Shell. I use it way more often than the workspace switcher. -- http://exolucer

How do I utilize the new application menu?

2011-04-07 Thread Robert Park
Hi all, First of all, congrats on the 3.0 release. I've been using the new Shell on my netbook for a few weeks now and I just absolutely love it. Excellent work, everybody. So, I see that in the top bar, if you click on the application name, you get a menu that only contains "Quit". As an applica

Re: New Multi Monitor Behavior is Odd

2011-04-07 Thread Robert Park
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > It's intentional. Only the primary head gets workspaces, the secondary > head just has the same stuff on it all the time. You do get an > 'overview' for the secondary head, if you put more than one window on it > you'll see this more clearly

Problem with the new NetworkManager in recent Shell.

2011-04-03 Thread Robert Park
I upgraded to the latest Fedora 15 nightly on my netbook (gnome-shell 2.91.93 I believe), and got to play with the new NetworkManager. It looks really good, but I hit a tiny snag with it... on my tiny netbook screen of 1024x600, the list of available networks goes off the bottom of the screen and d

Re: UI Changes

2011-03-25 Thread Robert Park
2011/3/25 Rui Tiago Cação Matos : > On 25 March 2011 16:49, Robert Park wrote: >> If Gnome is truly moving towards client-side window decorations, then >> there's going to have to be some kind of "titlebar" widget included in >> applications, which dragging ini

Re: UI Changes

2011-03-25 Thread Robert Park
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Alexandre Kaspar wrote: > The current UI changes I would like to see : > 1. Move the window menubar somewhere else, either the firefox 4 way, or > merging menubar and titlebar in some other way. I'm a huge fan of FF4's new menu that's a single button at left of t

Re: Netbooks

2011-03-23 Thread Robert Park
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Inti Alonso wrote: > Hi, I just want to give my opinion. I think that Gnome-Shell waste a lot of > space in my little screen, we have those Big window titles, with those Big > controls; we have a panel with a lot of empty space and no way to > autohide... > Whats t

Re: What is the status of the screensaver in GNOME3?

2011-03-21 Thread Robert Park
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote: >> So it would be fair to say that we will start seeing Clutter-based >> screensavers in 6-12 months? > > It depends on how much work is done, and how many people are behind it. > Given that gnome-screensaver works, "Works" in the sense t

Re: Dual monitor support broken since 12 March - second monitor acts as single display

2011-03-21 Thread Robert Park
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Dave Hatton wrote: > So how do I configure for configuration 1 now? I couldn't see how this is > selectable. Maybe I misread, but what I gathered from that bug was that "configuration 1" (as you call it) was considered broken, and removed in favor of the latter be

Re: What is the status of the screensaver in GNOME3?

2011-03-21 Thread Robert Park
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote: > There are plans to kill gnome-screensaver completely in gnome 3.2, > splitting its functionality around (some in gnome-shell, some in > gnome-session or gnome-settings-daemon), at which point it should become > possible to write a themed

What is the status of the screensaver in GNOME3?

2011-03-20 Thread Robert Park
Hi all, I was just wondering what the status of the screensaver is in GNOME3. When I lock the screen all I get is a black screen that says my name and the has the clock, and I kind of miss all the old screen hacks but I can't find any preferences dialog to configure this. Is this just "not implem

Re: Dual monitor support broken since 12 March - second monitor acts as single display

2011-03-20 Thread Robert Park
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Dave Hatton wrote: > Since the 12th of March I notice the following behaviour for my dual monitor > set-up > > 1. In Activities the column "screen" layout only shows a single display. It > previously showed two displays. > 2. If I swap workspace using ctrl-alt- arr

Re: Shelling Epiphany

2011-03-19 Thread Robert Park
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Luke Morton wrote: > A possible solution for the thumbnails is to crop and scale a portion of > the window contents (probably the top left quadrant) so a snippet of the > sites content is more easily recognisable--the same way you'd crop and > scale a photo to jus

Re: Shelling Epiphany

2011-03-18 Thread Robert Park
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Juergen Mangler wrote: > This idea is about 5000 years old. I guess you have to implement it > yourself, if you want to ever see it. Maybe I'll just give up on gnome shell and go back to Fluxbox ;-) -- http://exolucere.ca ___

Re: Shelling Epiphany

2011-03-18 Thread Robert Park
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Allan Day wrote: >> = Let the user switch to a specific epiphany's opened site using g-s >> facilities = >> I am using the term site here, instead of tab, because it is not really >> clear we should to keep the tabs management in ephy IMHO. >> Tabs and notebooks ar

Re: cannot find libmutter while building gnome-shell module

2011-03-18 Thread Robert Park
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Tim Cuthbertson wrote: > $ jhbuild buildone gnome-shell > configure: error: Package requirements (gio-2.0 >= 2.25.9 >                               gio-unix-2.0 dbus-glib-1 libxml-2.0 >                               gtk+-3.0 >= 3.0.0 >                              

Re: thoughts on the sexy new calendar thing

2011-03-18 Thread Robert Park
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Brainstormtrooper wrote: > ...I have gnome-shell 2.91.91 end evolution 2.91.91 end my sexy calendar > thing shows the whole upcoming week... > > I have Today (Friday), Tomorrow (Saturday), and Next Week (Sun through > next Saturday)... Not a ton of things next week

Re: thoughts on the sexy new calendar thing

2011-03-17 Thread Robert Park
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:15 PM, William Jon McCann wrote: > Thanks for the kind words!  I think in some cases it doesn't work as > well as we'd hoped in "corporatey" environments either.  Those folks > seem to have a ton of meetings and we pretty quickly use up all the > space.  I think for next

thoughts on the sexy new calendar thing

2011-03-17 Thread Robert Park
So, let me start by saying I love the new calendar. It's sexy as hell. This is not a criticism. This is just one little observation that could improve usability for some users. I have a bunch of events listed in my evolution calendar. Shell displays 'Today', 'Tomorrow' and 'This week' sections in

Re: 'gnome-suites-core-3.0' - jhbuild:Error during phase configure of gtk+:

2011-03-10 Thread Robert Park
I was having a similar problem with a different package. On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Andrew Swartz wrote: >    checking for GLIB - version >= 2.27.3... >    *** 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.28.3, but GLIB (2.29.2) >    *** was found! If pkg-config was correct, then it is best

Re: icons

2011-03-09 Thread Robert Park
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:12 PM, wrote: > But is there any plan to replace the ugly default gnome icons with a new > fresh set of icons > by final release of gnome 3? Just out of curiosity, but which icons are the 'ugly' default ones? I hope you're not calling Tango ugly... -- http://exolucere.

Re: Two proposals for Gnome-shell

2011-03-09 Thread Robert Park
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Jesse Hutton wrote: > If you are using gimp or some other application (terminal in my case) with > multiple windows, the simple work flow to use is: 1) alt + tab to the > application, 2) alt + to switch between windows of the same > app (is there a default for this

Re: Two proposals for Gnome-shell

2011-03-07 Thread Robert Park
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Allan E. Registos wrote: > If you have a lot of instances of an application, e.g., >5 terminals, then > neither thumbnails and *icons* will going to help you visually, where > text/label is more important than both. Agreed. -- http://exolucere.ca

Re: Two proposals for Gnome-shell

2011-03-07 Thread Robert Park
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:05 PM, David Prieto wrote: > Just for reference, I was thinking of showing the same thumbnails that now > appear when you press down during the Alt+tab switcher. Well, on the latest demo from gnome3.org (0.0.6), alt+tab shows large application icons, with small names, sim

Re: Two proposals for Gnome-shell

2011-03-07 Thread Robert Park
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:12 AM, David Prieto wrote: > http://i.imgur.com/pb5eb.png shows the initial state of the sidebar. Two > apps are favourited but none of them is open. There is only one workspace, > which is empty at the moment, represented by a blue box in the sidebar. > > http://i.imgur.c

Re: A few comments regarding Gnome-shell

2011-03-07 Thread Robert Park
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > On 2011-03-07 at 10:29, Robert Park wrote: >> On a side note, I was recently annoyed when I tried out v0.0.6 of the >> GNOME ISO (from gnome3.org) and I was not able to activate the clock >> menu by clicking on the

Re: A few comments regarding Gnome-shell

2011-03-07 Thread Robert Park
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Juergen Mangler wrote: > On 03/07/2011 11:43 AM, David Prieto wrote: >> Hi Jürgen, >> >>    I do not comprehend the advantages of the menu on top approach >>    (apple approach). With high resolution, big screens and several (not >>    maximised) windows, the distan

Re: Suggestion: Dragging window to the bottom of the screen moves it down one workspace

2011-03-06 Thread Robert Park
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Sean Brady wrote: > Who care about the stupid minimize button, but I would like something to > make the window "go away for now".  What about dragging the window down to > the bottom of the screen moves the window to the workspace below it? Or to a new workspace.

Re: Window controls for GNOME 3

2011-03-02 Thread Robert Park
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Akshay Dua wrote: > I don't know what started the rash that caused the itch to remove > those buttons, but its causing everyone to talk negatively about the > shell, while otherwise no one would have even cared if they remained > there. Am I wrong? Are there people

Re: Window controls for GNOME 3

2011-03-02 Thread Robert Park
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > flow. I like a full-screen browser window, lots of people think this > makes lines of text way too wide. Neither of us is correct or incorrect. What websites do you visit that actually use the full width of a maximized window? It seems lik

Re: Window controls for GNOME 3

2011-03-01 Thread Robert Park
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Ryan Peters wrote: > Last I checked, virtually every device with a trackpad has some sort of > physical mouse button for this very purpose (laptops and whatnot). O RLY? http://www.google.ca/images?q=buttonless%20trackpad&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&cli

Re: Activity Bar Panel Provides Little Utility, Takes Up Space, And is Distracting

2011-02-28 Thread Robert Park
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Mystilleef wrote: > The activity bar or top panel consumes screen space for no > critical reason. The information provided by the activity > bar is not something users need to be persistently inundated > with. For example, I doubt any of us care if our wireless >

Re: Window controls for GNOME 3

2011-02-25 Thread Robert Park
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Pat Suwalski wrote: > Funny how we both use workspaces the same way, and both do essentially the > same task, but have exactly different uses of the minimize button. That is odd, isn't it! Whenever I want to hide something I always think in terms of putting somet

Re: Visual cues

2011-02-25 Thread Robert Park
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Akshay Dua wrote: > The shell is so amazing, but because its also so different and new, > there should be some built-in way to inform people about its new > features: either during installation (short video), or via visual cues > while using the desktop. I think s

Re: Window controls for GNOME 3

2011-02-25 Thread Robert Park
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > So out of curiosity, what sort of  tasks do both you and Robert do if you > don't mind me being nosy? Oh, ok. Well, I'm an app developer and I have two physical displays. Before I got the second display (nearly 10 years ago now) I was a

Re: Window controls for GNOME 3

2011-02-25 Thread Robert Park
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Christian Jäger wrote: > The 'close'-button might well be THE single attribute you expect any > window to have; if there's a window you expect to be able to close this > window. Also it would be pretty inconsistent if there's a close-button > in the overview when t

Re: Window controls for GNOME 3

2011-02-23 Thread Robert Park
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > Initial reaction is that you've reintroduced a screen element that is > analogous to the old workspace switcher applet in the GNOME 2 panel: it can > be hit by a user who has no idea what a workspace is and who suddenly finds > their win

Re: Window controls for GNOME 3

2011-02-23 Thread Robert Park
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:20 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > Now, as I understand it the work around would be to move this to another > workspace.  To do that would require a number of window management steps > that I previous accomplished using a single button action. What if there was a titleba

Re: Latest jhbuild Errors

2011-01-30 Thread Robert Park
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > Additionally, it seems the server problems with anongit have been fixed. It is working now, thanks. -- http://exolucere.ca ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://

Re: Latest jhbuild Errors

2011-01-29 Thread Robert Park
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > git remote set-url origin http://git.clutter-project.org/clutter I've tried this and I still get the same error. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Onyeibo Oku wrote: >> git clone git://git.clutter-project.org/clutter >> Cloning into cl

Re: jhbuild error

2011-01-11 Thread Robert Park
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Allan E. Registos wrote: > CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in po/eu.po Every now and then I'll see a merge conflict in some package or other. It makes no sense to me because I'm not actually developing any of these packages, so I don't understand why a pristine

Re: Preview: how to see all workspaces?

2010-12-21 Thread Robert Park
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 5:07 AM, Bojan Smojver wrote: > Another annoying thing was the new menu in overview mode. Not only do I have > to click to see apps, but they are all lined up in the iPhone like grid, > with no tooltips, so for half of them one cannot really tell what they are, > because th

Re: Multiple Monitors, Infinite Edge

2010-12-07 Thread Robert Park
+1! On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:47 PM, David J Wiebe wrote: > My current setup is the following.  I have a very small main monitor > being my netbook (1024 x 576) and a slightly larger external monitor > (1024 x 768).  Here is an ASCII diagram to represent what it looks like > +-+--

Re: Sujestion

2010-12-01 Thread Robert Park
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Allan E. Registos wrote: > I am thinking..., that the classic application menu > "File, Edit, View..." > will be abolished in the near future. Take a look at the Chrome browser. So > I think GNOME Shell should be designed with this in mind. I agree. Most applicatio

Mouse bindings?

2010-11-15 Thread Robert Park
Hi guys, First off, I just want to say, excellent work on the shell. I'm very pleased with it and I have been using it full-time for a few days now. I just have one question: is it possible to bind a mouse button to trigger the activities screen? I have one of those mice with 8 buttons, and previ