Hi!
> Switching to another application is not exactly what I had in
> mind to get rid of the application. I still have the old application
> window around, I see it partially occluded behind non-maximized
> windows, I have it cluttering the Alt+Tab application switcher,
> the application overview
Hi!
> As a little wish, it'd be nice if the use cases of 'old skool'
> communicators could be considered here - i.e. those of us who use IRC
> heavily. Empathy isn't very good as an IRC client for my uses - it's
> clearly just shoehorning IRC into the old MSN/AIM 'chatrooms in an IM
> system' para
Hi!
Am Dienstag, den 19.04.2011, 21:42 +0100 schrieb Chris Baines:
> I love the new chat features in Gnome Shell, but sometimes I want to
> contact someone, or set my status to off-line, it seams I cant do this
> from the shell. What is the purpose of empathy and what is the purpose
> of the shell
Hi!
> On the issue of settings. Whenever I click on a mail address, it invokes
> the evolution first time wizard now. Heck, I don't use evolution, I
> write my mails either in Thunderbird or in emacs thanks. There used to
> be a setting called "preferred applications". That one seems gone
> now. N
Hi!
(Probably best to discuss that with the gnome-shell developers on
#gnome-shell but I try to give some feedback here):
> 1. Be gently notified of incomming messages, and access the new messages
As you say this is what notifications are for and that is also done by
Evolution.
> 2. Make it eas
Hi!
> 1) Activities: Earlier betas had nice Activities pane with 12
> applications, places/devices and recent items nicely available with "find"
> box right at the mouse tip as soon as you went to Activities. Now to copy
> Ubuntu Unity, we have left edge bar with only applications and worst
> "Sea
Hi!
> 1. Mutter absolutely ruins any decent graphical performance on either
> system that i have been testing on. Even firefox4 has a severe
> decrease in FPS in any sort of benchmarking. I usually get above 60
> FPS, gnome-shell less than 30 FPS Now before you blame that on the
> fact that
Hi!
> just a question... will there be a PPA which allows to install Gnome 3 /
> Gnome Shell in Ubuntu 11.04 without breaking things?
>
> Currently the PPA says that it is experimental and as far as I read it
> is known to break the Unity environment. I think when Ubuntu 11.04 is
> out, there
Hi!
> Do it now while you are still in early dev phase, so you can adjust other
> GUI
> design concepts and elements accordingly.
Hmm, this made me smile to read it on day before the final release. Early
developement phase ended more the 4 months ago :)
Your arguments about RHEL desktop issue ar
Hi!
Am Sonntag, den 03.04.2011, 16:32 +0100 schrieb Onyeibo Oku:
> I've just noticed that Gnome-Phone-Manager is not in the Gnome Project
> list. I found one in the Fedora 15 repos but it never worked (Crashed
> 100% on startup). Apparently its not well ported to Gnome3.
>
> Are there plans to
Hi!
> I want to add emacsclient as a favourite. I copied emacs.desktop to
> ~/.local/share/applications/emacsclient.desktop, then updated command
> line. But after marking it favourite, gnome-shell will launch emacs
> instead of emacsclient. Any hints?
The filename doesn't matter. You will have t
Hi!
> https://github.com/nzjrs/gnome-tweak-tool
>
> It requires a recent pygobject build has been tested on a jhbuilt shell,
> and Ubuntu Natty.
>
> I understand there is legitimate resistance to such a tool, as offering
> multiple customisation options could weaken the design and marketing
> mess
Hi!
As you probably found out already, adding +1 on the mailing list has
exactly no effect on the gnome-shell design.
Please comment here:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643457
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Am Montag, den 07.03.2011, 19:33 +0100 schrieb Juergen Mangler:
> Why not include "Running Applications" in Overview > Applications *?
> Could even be the first section if it was for me.
Hmm, the runnig applications are shown in the dash together with the
favourites. That would be duplicatio
Hi!
> Also, I think it would give purpose to the top panel. Right now you have
> the
> application's name over there, and get a single "Quit" option when you
> click
> it, which looks sad and lonely to me. I don't know if there are any other
> plans for that, though.
Every application can add cus
Hi!
> I agree. As for progress: a message tray icon that subsumes longrunning
> 'progress' (file) operations (copy, move, delete, download; maybe
> update, install, for packages/applications; ...) with ability to cancel,
> pause, restart? Wasn't this planned anyway?
Some work has been done but is
Hi!
> >> * To hide a window in which a background task is ongoing. Minimizing the
> >> window allows the user to monitor the progress in the window list button
> >> (assuming progress is shown in the title bar, which ought to be the case),
> >> and to be alerted when the task has either finished o
Hi!
> * To hide a window in which a background task is ongoing. Minimizing the
> window allows the user to monitor the progress in the window list button
> (assuming progress is shown in the title bar, which ought to be the case),
> and to be alerted when the task has either finished or encountere
Hi Jon, hi Milan!
> Le samedi 26 février 2011 à 12:27 -0500, William Jon McCann a écrit :
>> It is also worth pointing out that you can't really measure waste in
>> absolute terms anyway. Waste is subjective: it means to use
>> carelessly or without value. I think it is pretty clear that, for
Hi Jon!
>> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636680
>
> No, that bug was about the menu item and the resulting dialog being out of
> sync.
Well, I can file a new bug if you like but still it doesn't seem that
there is a good place to discuss this regarding the usual ignorance of
mailing
Hi!
> Anyhow, this topic, as well as the one about removing the power-management
> options from the control panel, has been discussed to death.
The removal of the power management options is a different topic. Anyway,
for the suspend button:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636680
Reg
Hi!
> I understand that the desktop icons will go away. But then I need a
> replacement place where I can quickly access the documents that I work
> on during a week. The current state is confusing: desktop hardly
> accessible but no replacement in the sense of a quickly accessible
> document wo
Hi!
> Ok, we'll stick with dconf-editor at the moment.
> But I have a little, slightly off-topic remark, at the moment :
> Having something which default experience is classy out of the box
> should not require "killing settings", just adjusting them well by
> default. What's so bad about wanting
Hi!
> I just tried dconf-editor for 2.31 (the latest is building, thanks to your
> advice) It looks a lot like gconf-editor.
> What should be the default behavior ?
> Should any user be aware of that utility, or should a custom utility
write gsettings from a dialog box ?
> Will dconf-editor be th
Hi!
> As for the settings, is there a standard gui for gsettings ? If not, would
> a
> small python dialog box do the trick ? Something like a list display
> where
> one can add/remove lines, and then, when confirmed, starts the appropriate
> gsettings command ?
The tool is called "dconf-editor"
Hi!
> I'm behind a proxy and can't clone via git://. A few weeks ago, I managed
> to build gnome-shell, replacing the git repos by http.
> Today I tried to build everything again, but I cannot clone anything
> anymore
> : I get :
> $ bash gnome-shell-build-setup.sh
> Checking out jhbuild into /
Hi!
> I recently ported krb5-auth-dialog over to use persistent notifications.
> I noticed that killing the app with CTRL-C leaves the icon and the
> persistent notification in the notification area. The same is true for
> rhythmbox. This is unfortunate since the buttons in the notification
> obvi
Hi!
> ATM I find myself switching to activities overview very often just to
> find a minimized (or obscured) window. As others have pointed out, this
> has two disadvantages:
Wasn't the original design to remove the minimize button alltogether?
Haven't heard of this in a while though.
Regards,
Hi!
> In a previous version of gnome-shell you could change the clock settings
> to show also the calendar day. You could right click on the clock and
> choose "preferences" and change something. Now this popup menu has been
> disabled.
There is a branch with improve clock features called "dat
Hi!
> > - You should be bold and re-name 'suspend' to 'sleep'. I have always
> > been confused by 'suspend', 'sleep', and 'hibernate', only to find out
> > recently that suspend and sleep are the same thing. Surely 'sleep' and
> > 'hibernate' go so much better together, and they are both quite
> >
Hi Jérôme!
Could you please always reply to your messages in the same thread
instead of creating lots of new threads.
Thanks a lot!
Johannes
Am Dienstag, den 25.01.2011, 00:31 +0100 schrieb jerome:
> I added on the right, the list of virtual offices in order to drop the
> application directly
Hi!
Am Mittwoch, den 19.01.2011, 04:45 +0100 schrieb Onyeibo Oku:
> Gnome-Control-Centre is not compiling ...
>
> I get this error:
> Entering directory
> `/home/t2hot/gnome-shell/source/gnome-control-centre/panels/printers'
>CC printers-module.lo
>CC cc-printers-panel.lo
> cc-
Hi Emmanuele!
> as far as I know, llvmpipe doesn't support texture-from-pixmap, thus
> making a compositor based on it fairly difficult. not impossible, just
> unbearably slow.
>
> the same applies to Mesa swrast, which doesn't expose the required GLX
> support.
Quoting from the Phoronix article[
Hi!
> > gnome-applets was something you could install and later enable/disable
> > in the UI. gnome-shell-extensions are there once you installed them and
> > they may break the shell completely. As such, it is something that a
> > "normal", "non-tuning" user shouldn't ever see because he doesn't
Hi!
> > * No tarballs
> > * A README file that requests that distributions *not* package it
>
> Sorry but I don't understand this. The whole purpose of this is having
> extensions in distributors. Why shouldn't they package it?
> (A different matter is installing it by default. And of course w
Hi!
> After 5 minutes of the test, I don't see a "Shortcuts" section like in
> old Gnome-Shell or in Gnome-Panels. It was killed or it's planned to add
> this on a section (like for windows and applications)?
What you mean is probably "Places" and "Recent files" and yes it is
planned that those c
Hi!
> 4. Gnome-shell is not allowing multiple instances of an application. Is
> this intentional? Attempts to open a new instance opens a running
> instance (gnome-shell faithfully brings you to the workspace occupied by
> the active instance). Sometimes I succeed in spawning another instance
Hi!
> Is it because I am on an oldish version of Gnome Shell in F14 that I
> have a small sys tray area next to the "me menu" with all these little
> gizmos like pidgin, monitor icon, volume, bluetooth, networkmanager
> etc? Is that the area and functionality we are talking about and is it
> gone
Hi!
On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 01:24 -0300, Erick Pérez Castellanos wrote:
> Hey, you didn't answer, Is there anything design to fill the gap of the olds
> gnome applets ?, like "weather", hamster-applet, inhibit-applet, dictionary,
> etc.
The answer was that there is the notification system (a
Hi!
Am Donnerstag, den 09.12.2010, 13:34 -0500 schrieb Mark Curtis:
> Most people like to click around their GUIs even if a faster typing
> alternative exists.
>
Proof? ;)
Regards,
Johannes
> From: de...@spathi.com
> Dat
Hi!
(Note: I am not a designer...)
> One of the ones I really miss is weather, which was part of the clock in
> GNOME 2. The clock's part of the shell in GNOME 3. I think you can see
> where I'm going with this ;)
I don't see this at
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/DateNTime
Hi!
> Window manager warning: Log level 16: specified class size for type
> `MetaFrames' is smaller than the parent type's `GtkWindow' class size
> Window manager warning: Log level 8: g_once_init_leave: assertion
> `initialization_value != 0' failed
> Window manager warning: Log level 8: g_object
Hi!
> Was gonna be of the gnome applets in Gnome 3 (aka gnome-shell new based new
> desktop) ? or how can I mimic the functionality ? you know little programs
> staying there visible for the user and easy to access.
Applets (or whatever that is called) are not part of the gnome-shell
design so
Hi!
> I was thinking of having a fixed size placeholder for each window.
> It's going to look like this
> http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9751/mockupc.png
This imposes the problem that some windows (those that are very wide or
high) become very small. Anyway, in the last days using gnome-shell
Hi!
> Since we're talking about what's documented, I just want to point out
> that the person behind the pdf is the same person who wrote about the
> AppMenu.
Sorry, got confused with GlobalMenu (what I thought that thread was
about) and AppMenu. My fault!
>
> Can you tell us more about the is
d why. It obviously doesn't explain what it
does not (appmenu) as probably few documents give a reason for not doing
something. But it explains all the details about title bars, the top
panel, etc.
Johannes
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Johannes Sc
Hi!
> What exactly are you referring to? The AppMenu?
Yes, and the general design. See [1] for detailed explanation why it is
the way it is. Especially the pdf even if it is a bit outdated now.
Regards,
Johannes
[1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design
Hi!
> There's been a long discussion on this (see archives in July and
> August). In the Ubuntu side of things, Unity's pursuing the menu on
> the top panel. How about for GNOME Shell?
>
>
> One of the most compelling options is the AppMenu. What's the status
> of this in GNOME Shell?
Have you
Hi!
> Although I have these errors(chosen option [2]):
Choose [4] Start Shell and type git reset --hard HEAD
That should fix it.
Regards,
Johannes
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Am Mittwoch, den 24.11.2010, 20:53 +0800 schrieb Allan Caeg:
> Is the Overview Relayout branch intended to be the default Overview UI
> eventually?
It will be the default eventually. See
http://blogs.gnome.org/fmuellner/2010/11/16/moving-forward/ and the
linked bug report where the patch rev
Hi!
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-853679.html
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=57638&start=0
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1628158
You know that your question is far from neutral I guess and so are the
possible answers. And of course it's far from statistically
Hi!
> Corporates do not like Composting. In fact most mature people who use
> PC do not like composting... I'm telling you this first hand... it's
> the young people (for e.g students) who use their Desktops as a toy
> are the ones who like composting.
>
> Your effects should have been limited so
Hi!
(Disclamer: I am not a gnome-shell developer)
> As a long-time, advanced user of Linux as the main Desktop OS, I would
> love to provide feedback on the Gnome Shell. I think it has tremendous
> potential but the version in Fedora 14 is certainly rough around the
> edges. I too believe that th
Hi!
> So, I've this mutter window manager running right now with this pretty
> looking interface around... but where do I start?... where's the
> desktop where's my computer... and most importantly, where's the
> taskbar? To explicitly state if a corporate or someone similar is
> greeted with such
Hi!
Am Samstag, den 16.10.2010, 21:54 +0100 schrieb Sergey Udaltsov:
> This is not about my problem;). Many apps are using the icons in the
> NA as "minimized state" indication, providing popup menu with most
> frequently used commands. For example, xchat, transmission etc. How
> gnome3 is going t
Hi!
> I would like to ask if there is a way to report performance statistics
> and if I should expect improvements before Gnome 3.0.
There are instructions for reporting performance issues:
http://blog.fishsoup.net/2010/05/26/measuring-gnome-shell-performance/
Otherwise, bugzilla.
Regards,
Joha
Hi!
> Looks a bit Like Unity.
It's just a new overview design that was presented by Jakub[1] at GUADEC
and now implemented by Florian [2].
The official places for the mockups are:
* http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell-design/tree/mockups
* http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design
Regar
Hi!
> ok, notifications are now "less intrusive" but the problem remains:
> the third image
> (http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Guidelines/MessageTray/Chat)
> messages are too big and if I'm working on a another program.
This is only when you use the inline chat feature which means you
alr
egards,
Johannes
>
> I'll stop moaning though, I'll be able to live happily with alt + tab
> I just don't think the average user will be.
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
> ______
> From: Johannes Schmid
>
Hi all!
That has really be discussed to an end sorry - no new points, see the
mailing list archive.
Feel free to write that great default extension that will do all that
and will fit into the design and post it here. But please code it - no
more mockups, no more ideas, let the code speak.
Thanks
Hi!
(Note: I am not a gnome-shell developer, I hope those will also answer
because I think you make some interesting points)
> It would be nice to have a simple and visible way to disable
> gnome-shell animations. Perhaps the animations should be disabled by
> default.
Well, besides the fade in/
Hi!
Am Freitag, den 18.06.2010, 13:03 +0200 schrieb Niels L. Ellegaard:
> Today I made gnome-shell work for the first time, and I have spend a few
> hours toying around in gnome-shell 2.29.0-3 on Debian. It looks shiny,
> but I also discovered some problems. I don't know how many of these are
> fi
Hi!
This is nothing to be discussed here but instead on desktop-devel-list.
See the threads there in the archive. There are various good and
probably not so good reasons why in was not included. They are mostly
technical. You can of course bring it up again there if you have read
everything and st
Hi!
Am Sonntag, den 30.05.2010, 15:43 +0200 schrieb Frederik Nnaji:
> well, true, every other distro based on GNOME has Metacity+Compiz
> +GNOME Panel etc..
well, either compiz or metacity as both are not possible ;) I think that
was what Florian meant.
>
> my point was, Ubuntu is upgrading GNO
Hi!
Am Samstag, den 22.05.2010, 19:46 +0200 schrieb Kao Chen:
> I have moved the clock to the right.
> And I add crosses in order to quickly close windows and clean easily
> your desktop.
> http://nsa14.casimages.com/img/2010/05/22/100522074150957498.jpg
>
You propose something like a coverflow
Hi!
Please, stick to the GNOME Code of Conduct[1] when writing posts to
GNOME mailing lists.
Second, it is a matter of being polite to use correct language and
punctuation when writing stuff that others are supposed to read. We are
not a club of script kiddies...
Regards,
Johannes
[1] http://li
Hi!
> Would you please explain the reasoning behind the rejection of this
> idea?
In short, having more than one hot corner (even two is being discussed
as a bad idea) is seen as cluttering the interface where I kind of
agree. Still I would like to have something simpler to change
applications
Hi!
Just to sum this topic up: I discussed this with owen on IRC and he
doesn't think it is a good idea and as such I won't waste my time on it.
If someone wants to create a gnome-shell extension he is free to do so.
Regards,
Johannes
Am Dienstag, den 18.05.2010, 15:55 +0200 schrieb Kao Chen:
>
Hi!
Am Montag, den 12.04.2010, 15:48 +0100 schrieb Sam Illingworth:
> I'm not sure Ubuntu will adopt GS, as it would be too massive a
> departure from standard desktop environments and I don't think they'll
> want to make using Ubuntu require such a huge change it users'
> behaviour. Although I su
Hi Owen!
> What, if anything, gets pinned automatically is an interesting question
> - there's a pretty strong case if I create a new word processing
> document it should automatically get pinned. But if I save an email
> attachment, probably not? If everything is pinned, that's pretty much
> the
Hi!
> There are two basic approaches here - one is to avoid storing
> things on the Desktop. Instead of seeing the Desktop as a separate
> location in the file selector, you'd have a checkbox:
>
>[ ] Pin to Desktop
>
> (or whatever the designers come up with), and that would cre
Hi!
You should answer to the list (e.g. "Reply All").
> >
> My apologies, I haven't been through the archives enough. I do think
> that this is something that is needed though. I get used to new
> interfaces pretty quickly, but a quick list of running applications is
> something that I a
Hi!
Am Dienstag, den 06.04.2010, 14:50 -0600 schrieb Sean Brady:
> > 1. Window switching (I think that this one is really key here).
> >
> > I strongly suggest that a menu be given for switching windows.
> > While I like the Activities menu and it's behavior with regard to
> > display the op
hi!
Am Montag, den 05.04.2010, 14:42 -0500 schrieb Tanner Doshier:
> I was trying to shy away from a discussion on "general"
> configurability (one thing at a time you know (^_^)), but since we are
> going there...I was originally just thinking about tying it into the
> current appearance settings
Hi!
> Is there any documentation or API to get Applets that works on Gnome,
> works on gnome-shell. If there is any I would like to know were so I
> can try to help. I really miss the hamster applet.
There are not applets in gnome-shell. See "Open Design Questions" at
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeS
Hi Florian!
Am Samstag, den 06.03.2010, 18:02 +0100 schrieb Florian Scandella:
> 1) apply background to summary only
> 2) add option to disable autohide
Thanks for your contribution but it is usually easier to handle if you
attach these patches to a bug in the GNOME Bugzilla[0].
Regards,
Johann
Hi!
> As the discussion keeps going about this hot topic here
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1305154&page=110
> I know there was discussions about this in the mailing list but I
> don't remember a solution to this. What was the status quo?
>
AFAIR, there was no decision. I think it wo
Hi!
> If so, I think it would be great to change this in gnome 3. Would that
> be possible? We have a new wm, and a new decorator don't we? Could we
> integrate them so app designers have the option of saying in their
> application "if environment = gnome 3 then integrate menu/tabs/
> whate
Hi!
Please see http://live.gnome.org/GNOME3Myths because much you are taking
about here is not true:
* Nobody is enforcing gnome-shell
* There still will be metacity and gnome-panel for non-compositing (you
could use compiz in this environmnet)
I can't answer though about the internal design but
Hi!
Yes, the old interface will be available as option for those who don't
have 3D support in GNOME 2.32 (aka GNOME 3.0). I doubt that there will
be much development besides bug-fixing in this area though.
Regards,
Johannes
Am Sonntag, den 10.01.2010, 23:20 + schrieb Vitorio Okio:
> In "The
Hi!
> Well, the bluntest answer here is that if a window isn't important to
> what you are doing right now, it's good that you forgot it! If the
> person you are communicating with says something else, that will appear
> to you in the message tray, but otherwise, the fact that the window is
> open
Hi Owen!
> Why "without the [overview]"? - I can think of several reasons offhand
> why a task list might be preferred to the overview for window switching:
>
> - You can look find a window with your eyes and then mouse directly
>to it.
>
> - There's less window motion, so it's easier to u
ake them better? Such ideas are more interesting than
>complaints about how the shell isn't working. And they are
>more interesting than ideas that are massive changes in direction.
>
>If these ideas can be expressed in a few words that's better.
>IF th
t features into the
> shell we should not only propose them, but try to convince the
> developers to like them (so they implement them).
>
> Kind regards
>Reiner
>
>
>
> Johannes Schmid wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I think you can/could even configur
Hi!
I think you can/could even configure such a bottom panel in gnome-shell
but it's kind of annoying because it takes up lot's of screen space.
I am currently using gnome-shell on my netbook and it is really cool to
have no second panel. Anyway, the top panel is mostly empty and that's
annoying.
Hi!
> So, closing the last Brasero window means that opening a new one
> requires re-launching the App, and any quick tasks such as "Burn
> Image..." or whatever Brasero function may be integrated into G-Shell
> require the same [or may not even be available, if integrated G-Shell
> Application co
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