> gnome-shell to restart.
Just kill the gnome-shell process: 'killall gnome-shell' is an easy way.
It will auto-respawn.
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the desktop; these should show up in 3.2 or 3.4. If you look for
'finding and reminding' on the GNOME wiki you should find some
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c. In that particular way it's somewhat like android although the
> comparison is more like an eagle vs a flying squirrel. Yeah, they
> both fly in the air but they do just about everything else
> differently.
er, it does? I've got a Droid sitting here and it doesn't seem to d
erent system for managing network connections.
Their notification systems are very different. I'm struggling in fact to
think of any way in which the two are particularly similar besides the
fact that it's possible to bring up a grid of application icons in both,
in some fashion. That's a
the things that used
to be there have been designated 'system functions' and moved to the top
right instead.) I was kinda hoping GNOME 3 would have some kind of smart
solution for this. But I can't really complain if I can't think of
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isn't covering very well at present. Is there a strategy for this? Do we
want people to figure it out with extensions? Do we really want to use
(some would say abuse) permanent notifications for this? Does someone
have a smart solution that hasn't p
>
> This is not true. The message tray is a central interaction point for a
> well defined set of applications (chat, music, email, etc).
You're confused. We're talking about the 'system area in
gnome-shell' (i.e. the top right, where the user menu, NM menu,
Bluetooth men
l is very similar. What I do not know is wether it
> is it limited to the shell and extensions, or if any application can
> add something as well.
It's limited to the Shell (and extensions), by design. The Shell
developers want the Shell interface to be consistent, not vary between
users,
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>
> File a bug then - the setting exists, gnome-tweak-tool just isn't
I filed a bug to propose including the date -
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=653845 .
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case it could just automatically switch to time-only display. I can't
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ested. It's not terribly easy, but
you can...=)
(ring finger hits alt, middle finger hits shift and ctrl, forefinger
hits down. Using the alt, shift and ctrl keys on the right hand side of
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ld try and split
different web pages between different 'types' in different Firefox
windows, I guess, but it feels like it'd be more work than it would be
worth.
I don't really find it a problem and I just keep everything in one
workspace, but I certainly feel like this aspect of
me for recently used files. I don't believe a
more comprehensive file search is implemented yet - it's simply not been
written, though it's planned. But if I type part of the file name of a
text file I recently edited in gedit, it shows up.
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d not require keyboard.
It doesn't require it. You already discovered how to do it without the
keyboard, but you complained it was too slow and disruptive. Someone
recommended a method that was faster and less disruptive, and instead of
saying 'hey, thanks', all you can do is come u
d the older
ones...and GeForce 4 may be a slightly unsafe bet too) and any Radeon
from R300 onwards (so Radeon 9500 and later) should work.
It doesn't look like it should be too difficult to source a compatible
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text
> editor (which is the only method I have seen).
alacarte can do this, I believe.
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> browser to panel.
Aside from the replies you already got, I believe some people have found
alacarte can do this too.
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t as a way to
roll up and 'bless' the most commonly used and officially 'accepted'
applets so they'd be maintained and released along with the rest of
GNOME. Perhaps the same will happen with GNOME 3 and there'll be a
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;s more about lack of distractions. But again, that's the vision of
the GNOME design team, and there's no law saying extensions have to
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On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 17:41 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 23:14 +0100, Another Sillyname wrote:
>
> > There's plenty of space on the top bar to allow them, so what's the logic?
> Sorry if that was long, but I wanted to make it as clear as possibl
ar more ways!' is the
optimistic way of looking at it. All that needs to happen is for the
same (types of) people who wrote extensions for GNOME 2 as panel applets
to write similar (but probably better!) extensions for GNOME 3, as
extensions.
Sorry if that was long, but I wanted to mak
rsions for all of them on your system, bearing in mind
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On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 10:33 +0200, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote:
> Le dimanche 29 mai 2011 à 17:27 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> > Well, preserving the preference is a statement of sorts. If the devs
> > really just wanted to make it flat impossible to minimize windows it
&g
ts. If the devs
really just wanted to make it flat impossible to minimize windows it
would be easy enough to make it no longer possible to do it even via
gsettings.
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On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 21:38 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > (This is actually one area where the kernel folks and distros - like us!
> > - seriously need to pull their finger out and either fix up the current
> &g
ed?
I use an IRC proxy (and an IM-to-IRC gateway in combination with it). So
should everyone. ;)
http://www.bitlbee.org/img/comic_3.0.png
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nds when I come back. I'd never do a full
power cycle in the same situation. Ditto getting up to feed the cat, do
some laundry, take out the trash, go to the store for half an hour...
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ike to do by default is hybrid suspend, like on Macs, but this
is rather impractical given that you can't actually _do_ hybrid suspend
on Linux, yet, with a stock setup.)
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the GNOME 3 re-design - but
that's not true of many users.
> Here in Germany people power off their desktops and then switch off the
> power extension,
> because electricity is not cheap and we value our environment. (That
> used to be mandatory
> at my old job)
Generaliza
On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 17:50 +0200, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> Why not installing system-wide? It's just a matter of "pkcon install
What if you have other users on the system who don't want that
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the morning it'd be up and running and in the state I left it
immediately. Now, I can suspend it at night and resume it in the morning
and achieve the same result. For me, working and conveniently-accessed
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adds these
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to me - an invention of convenience that's going to get overloaded.
Every time we add some major feature to the Shell, is it going to wind
up being another overview tab? Is that what we really want? If it is
then great, I just w
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 21:19 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 11:07 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 18:51 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> >
> > > Explaining:
> > > Now I need to move it upwards, then downwards.
> > &
;ll keep it
> bound the old way.
So, use alt-f1, or bind some other key for the overview.
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On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 19:22 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> > I've seen the lack of a menu come up so many times
>
> What does it tell to a developer when he sees the same complaint
> coming up again and again?
That negative reaction to change is common.
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+Space"? Muscle memory?
>
> Hmmm. There was no hot-key assigned when I went into the keybindings;
> it was "Disabled". I wasn't aware there was a default.
>
> I looked about and couldn't find documentation of the 'official' default
> key bindin
utes I either manually open the notification tray and look
for the xchat bubble, or alt-tab to the xchat window - but as Koppanyi
neatly points out, our having to do this is completely destroying the
concept behind the transient notifications, and we're actually _more_
distracted than we were be
o rely on a
special folder for privacy =)
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On Tue, 2011-05-03 at 12:48 +0200, Robin Stocker wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > NVIDIA - GeForce and higher (I may be a bit out here; it may be
> > GeForce
> > 2 and higher).
>
> Except that newer cards aren't supported, like the GTS450:
>
> https
ating system was also
considered and acknowledged as something that should be handled, AIUI,
but an acceptable design hasn't yet been implemented.
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distro backers and other entities with a stake in kernel
development to focus on improving suspend support. *Especially* for
desktops; suspend is more problematic on desktops because it's been
considered pretty unimportant by almost everyone up till now, while
everyone agrees at least in princ
ot;
>
> in a terminal?
I hope you realize this is an extremely inaccurate test; there are many
many motherboards out there whose BIOSes claim suspend support, but for
which suspend in Linux simply does not work. Testing for support
reported (or not) by the BIOS is never going to get close
by the
session-is-accelerated check.
NVIDIA - GeForce and higher (I may be a bit out here; it may be GeForce
2 and higher).
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er (i8xx is expected to
be buggy). Thanks!
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>
>
> Needless to say I want to keep that practice.
Your boss is clearly buggy; I'd report them to _their_ boss. ;)
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On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 08:29 +1000, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 08:11 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Designing the Shell not in the way it would work best but in order to
> > work with extremely limited (by modern standards) graphics drivers
> > comes under
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 08:20 +1000, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 08:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > And instead of one operation to see all the thumbnails (overview) you
> > have to mouse over each one, one at a time, to see each thumbnail, one
> > at a ti
verview that you toggle. When you go to applications, windows and
workspaces go away.
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> would so would be better to upgrade the hardware or switch to
> something like KDE, XFCE, or LXDE.
>
>
> I just needed that confirmation so I could layout my parents options.
My 'should' was a request to the developers :)
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ll, so
> we don't want to spend the considerable amount of time necessary to
> debug the drivers and get them working with GNOME Shell.)
In this case, the fallback detection should detect such chips and run
the fallback mode on them; trying to run Shell and giving a poor
experience is n
My point stands.
And instead of one operation to see all the thumbnails (overview) you
have to mouse over each one, one at a time, to see each thumbnail, one
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to do with being convinced the decision is irreversibly perfect. You
don't make major changes after code freeze.
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On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 15:01 +1000, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 19:29 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > This mail could perhaps do with more details. :)
>
> The gist of it is:
>
> - fallback mode means two Gnome experiences, so people like myself that
> h
hrough Fedora 15 Beta, I cannot
> say the same thing. :-(
This mail could perhaps do with more details. :)
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and to me it just isn't an issue. I can't
use that space for anything else, and the icon isn't hurting me by being
there. I just ignore it.
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ould default to not
treating twitter-type service messages as notification-worthy, since
they're not really conversations. But I can't really speak much to this
as I don't use empathy or anything like twitter and my workflow for this
stuff is somewhat 'different' - I
n't map to xchat-gnome at all. I guess I could switch back to
vanilla xchat, if push comes to shove.
Some people do seem to be working on a 'GNOME 3' branch of xchat-gnome
(check git), but I don't see anything towards messaging integration,
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On Wed, 2011-04-20 at 08:07 +0800, Allan E. Registos wrote:
> On Wednesday, 20 April, 2011 06:02 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Neither Windows nor OS X (nor any
> > smartphone OS I'm aware of) provides an official UI and support for
> > theming, and there's no
s IRC-fu vastly, or write something new and better than
xchat-gnome, or whatever...it'd just be nice to have a shiny new
generation GNOME Shell IRC-based messaging experience!
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lly turn it off? This was
> not always clear to me. I would have preferred a checkbox, which is
> essentially what this is. On a non-touchscreen, it just doesn't make
> sense to me.
There's already been some discussion of this on the Planet, IIRC.
> Last bu
rt:
It's not. There's a difference between a usability test and an anecdotal
personal account. If you read the original link -
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-April/032988.html -
this might be clearer.
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> > performance is very good).
>
> nouveau is not capable of running many of my applications very well,
> if at all. that is a complete no-go.
> nouveau is not an option, at all.
The NVIDIA proprietary driver is not yet capable of running the Shell
very well.
ed to. It's supposed to behave similarly to GNOME Shell,
including the design philosophy changes that happened between GNOME 2.0
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> Nvidia 9800GT (using 270.41)
The proprietary driver is almost certainly the problem here. If you try
a recent Fedora live image you could see if it runs better with nouveau,
it almost certainly will. (I have a 9400 GT in this system, and Shell
performan
support for suspend/resume is missing in the kernel (ALSA) driver
for most ICE chipset cards (one or two have it implemented, but most
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his works.
I still want it there when I'm reading mail or a web site, which is most
of the time. Plus I tend to switch back and forth between maximized and
non-maximized apps a lot, and I don't think I'd like the panel
ping-ponging around as I did so.
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want to use them, and I don't want the panel to never appear.
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de it.
I'm with Maciej, if we're doing Highly Unreliable Voting: I *hate*
autohide with a passion.
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opy Ubuntu Unity, we have left edge bar with only applications
> and worst "Search" in right hand corner was a bad change.
The search box is highlighted as soon as you open the overview. You can
just open the overview and start typing.
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ated to that I can find is the evas-based
> version of their Netbook Desktop Environment, which is a different
> beast entirely.
He's referring to unity-qt, which is pretty much the equivalent of
'fallback mode' for GNOME 3; an attempt to replicate Unity as much as
possible with
the fallback mode is being
maintained actively and saw significant changes over the last few weeks
leading up to release. I've seen no indication that there are any plans
to drop it or leave it to rot in 3.2 either.
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ave an ICE1724 in this
system with GNOME 3 and PA and it works perfectly. Well, it doesn't work
across a suspend/resume cycle, but then it never has, with or without
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x27;s a great idea
to have mixed interfaces like that. But I guess I'll wait and see how it
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On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 14:17 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 07:59 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 14:45 +0300, John Stowers wrote:
> >
> > > In my use of the shell thus far I have *never* used the applicatio
On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 14:45 +0300, John Stowers wrote:
> In my use of the shell thus far I have *never* used the application
> menu. Has anyone?
once, when I wanted to test gnome-games and couldn't remember the name
of anything in it. Otherwise, no, I just search.
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/opt/gnome3 or smth,
> with minimal dependencies on system-wide things like NetworkManager
> etc?
>
> Sorry if that question is stupid or was already discussed
I guess it could, and maybe it does - I haven't looked. But it still
makes it a lot more work and more complicated, especi
0, and AFAIK Ubuntu are not testing at all to make sure
the Unity in Natty can run on GNOME 3.0; their supported environment is
2.32+Unity. Don't shoot me if I'm wrong, but that's what it looks like
to me, and why it's difficult/impossible to have both at once on Natty.
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if I can adjust to the new behavior. If I can't
> I'll revert back.
BTW, one funny thing I've noticed with this behaviour is that the
top-left hand corner of the secondary monitor is still 'sticky' - it
grabs my cursor - even though it doesn't trigger the overv
n
'overview' for the secondary head, if you put more than one window on it
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> On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 07:40 +0200, Aniruddha wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Adam Williamson
> > wrote:
> > > Anything I launch a lot
> > > gets made a favorite, anything I launch infrequently
it. Anything I launch a lot
gets made a favorite, anything I launch infrequently I just search for
(which is no clicks: 'start' key, type.)
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On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 19:00 +, JB wrote:
> Adam Williamson writes:
>
> > >
> > > > As has been noted, this is very familiar to anyone who uses a smartphone
> > > > interface; they do much the same thing.
> > >
> > > Here we go.
On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 18:20 +, JB wrote:
> Adam Williamson writes:
>
> > ...
> > What exactly is it that you _mean_ when you say 'artificial'?
>
> I mean it does not belong there, it is not a product of a natural need as
> a result of using menu system i
RSE any change to that is just an evil
plot to make things more difficult', which isn't likely to convince
anyone they need to change things.
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an alternative interface for refuseniks; it exists to handle the case
where Shell just doesn't work. Neither GNOME nor Fedora wants to present
it as just being 'another choice' of equal value with the Shell.
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not really like using
> a mouse. Having keyboard shortcuts is a need.
Sure, but they don't have to be alt-f2. alt-f1 works pretty well too. ;)
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t nice and easy to get rid of your porn session with no
minimizing required - just whack the keyboard shortcut to quit private
browsing mode and you're right back in your convincingly work-related
browser session.
I'M JUST SAYIN, IS ALL
(of course, if you're on a work network,
so (yay quasi-empirical data!), I kinda prefer the stock
(icon + label) setup. I think the reason is that the previews render so
small in the Shell switcher that they're hard to see; I like the
thumbnail setup in Compiz but I think it renders the thumbnails a lot
bigger...
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> pause, restart? Wasn't this planned anyway?
KDE 4 has something like this, I believe.
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're using. We didn't get many complaints about
performance at the recent Fedora Test Day for Intel, FWIW, and it runs
very nicely on my laptop at 1600x900.
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button. As a general
principle, the removal of features with _no easy alternative_ bothers me
much more than the removal of one of many different ways to do
something, as long as one of the other ways is not inherently more
difficult.
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On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 19:49 +0100, Gendre Sebastien wrote:
> Le mercredi 02 mars 2011 à 10:15 -0800, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> > Oh god, no.
> >
> > How does a text editor 'know' how big a window 'needs' to be to
> > display
> > a 500 page d
low. I like a full-screen browser window, lots of people think this
makes lines of text way too wide. Neither of us is correct or incorrect.
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