Re: Hiding minimized windows from Overview?

2011-05-27 Thread Cyril Arnaud
My bad, but the fact remains that minimizing a window will change nothing in overview. My point was more that you have to reconsider your workflow instead of trying to retrieve a feature that's becoming less useful. On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 20:19 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2011-05-27 at

Re: Hiding minimized windows from Overview?

2011-05-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 22:20 -0400, Cyril Arnaud wrote: > There is no minimize per say in Gnome Shell (there not even a button > for this). Yes, there is. Right-click on the window title, and click minimize. There is also a dconf setting which can re-enable the minimize button, and gnome-tweak-tool

Re: Hiding minimized windows from Overview?

2011-05-27 Thread Cyril Arnaud
There is no minimize per say in Gnome Shell (there not even a button for this). Instead of changing the code (mutter or gnome shell) or even creating an extension, I suggest you simply change your workflow. Like you I have Evolution on 100% of the time. I simply put it in another workspace. Usually

Hiding minimized windows from Overview?

2011-05-27 Thread theblues gnr
Hi, I wanted to say that I really love GNOME 3, nice work all. :) One thing I'm missing is a way to get windows out of the way when I don't want to work with them. For instance, I keep Evolution running 100% of the time but only check it every now and then. Same with Banshee, it's always running

Re: Already looking for alternatives!

2011-05-27 Thread Larry Reaves
Unity is not gnome shell. It is an Ubuntu project, and they own they copyright to all the source code. Gnome shell is the official gnome desktop, which is much better IMHO. If you don't like that, gnome classic is still available and supported. This list is for questions and concerns related

Re: The good, the bad, the insane

2011-05-27 Thread Allan E. Registos
On 5/26/2011 5:51 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: (e) there is an extension available [in at least the openSUSE GNOME3 STABLE repo] that adds Suspend& Power Off as discreet items on the menu. @Adam: Perhaps one of your audience is not system admins/power users(users of tweak* & extensions). De

Re: gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 122

2011-05-27 Thread Brian Baker
r off option should follow current behaviour of asking >>>>> wether one wants to power off or restart. >>>> >>>> OK, let's assume the user gets that distinction clear in their mind. >>>> Do they then realize that Suspend is a quite r

Re: The good, the bad, the insane

2011-05-27 Thread Diego Fernandez
We all (on this list) know about the extension, I personally have a key shortcut for powering off. The discussion is about the choice of hiding the Power Off option and the effect it has on your average user. The problem is that most people don't look things up, if they don't know how to do it th

Re: The good, the bad, the insane

2011-05-27 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 19:53 +0200, Philipp Mohrenweiser wrote: > Dont know if it was mentiond but there is an extention to have all the > shutdown suspend etc at once... I was mentioned at least once [by me] and summarily disregarded. Of course each distro will choose what extensions to package a

Re: The good, the bad, the insane

2011-05-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 21:38 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > (This is actually one area where the kernel folks and distros - like us! > > - seriously need to pull their finger out and either fix up the current > > hibernate code, or swall

Re: The good, the bad, the insane

2011-05-27 Thread Philipp Mohrenweiser
Dont know if it was mentiond but there is an extention to have all the shutdown suspend etc at once... Cheers phil Am 27.05.2011 19:23 schrieb "Diego Fernandez" : > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Martin Häsler > wrote: >> On 05/27/11 17:12, Owen Taylor wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 08:53

Re: The good, the bad, the insane

2011-05-27 Thread Diego Fernandez
sorry for double posting forgot to include that in the end it's the person's choice whether they want to 'waste' the few seconds it takes to shutdown/bootup or not. The user will look at the value of shutting down and saving some energy vs. the few seconds they might have to wait to boot up and ma

Re: The good, the bad, the insane

2011-05-27 Thread Diego Fernandez
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Martin Häsler wrote: > On 05/27/11 17:12, Owen Taylor wrote: >> >> On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 08:53 -0700, Diego Fernandez wrote: >> >>> Well then couldn't there just be a 'Power Off' and 'Suspend' option in >>> the menu then?  That doesn't seem too confusing... Suspend

Re: The good, the bad, the insane

2011-05-27 Thread ecyrbe
> >> Please feel free to crunch the numbers, because I've got not idea, what > you are talking of. > Also a computer takes < 10 seconds to power off, how is that a lot of time > ? > > And of course it is not reasonable at all to suspend when back in a bit > means tomorrow. > That is a waste of ene

Re: The good, the bad, the insane

2011-05-27 Thread Martin Häsler
On 05/27/11 17:12, Owen Taylor wrote: On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 08:53 -0700, Diego Fernandez wrote: Well then couldn't there just be a 'Power Off' and 'Suspend' option in the menu then? That doesn't seem too confusing... Suspend = "I'll be back in a bit and want to get back to what I was doing".

Re: The good, the bad, the insane

2011-05-27 Thread Owen Taylor
On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 08:53 -0700, Diego Fernandez wrote: > Well then couldn't there just be a 'Power Off' and 'Suspend' option in > the menu then? That doesn't seem too confusing... Suspend = "I'll be > back in a bit and want to get back to what I was doing". Power Off = > "I'm done for a while

Re: The good, the bad, the insane

2011-05-27 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > (This is actually one area where the kernel folks and distros - like us! > - seriously need to pull their finger out and either fix up the current > hibernate code, or swallow their pride and merge in either tuxonice or > uswsusp, like now;

Re: The good, the bad, the insane

2011-05-27 Thread Diego Fernandez
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Owen Taylor wrote: > The only real cultural mismatch I think exists here is what the right > response is to do if the user gets confused by a menu that says: > >  Suspend >  Hibernate >  Power Off >  Restart > > Is the right thing to do to provide training for the

Re: The good, the bad, the insane

2011-05-27 Thread Owen Taylor
The only real cultural mismatch I think exists here is what the right response is to do if the user gets confused by a menu that says: Suspend Hibernate Power Off Restart Is the right thing to do to provide training for the user, or is the right thing to do to improve the user interface? I'm

Re: The good, the bad, the insane

2011-05-27 Thread Rovanion Luckey
The whole argument for not having Power Off as a visible option in the menu seems to boil down to cultural convention. And I hope everyone here understands that people do things in different ways in different cultures. Sometimes people even do things differently than the local convention. You cann

Re: The good, the bad, the insane

2011-05-27 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 12:05 +0100, Martin Häsler wrote: > Am I the only one to think, that the Close button should be on the left > side? Wrong. Close button should be on the side user prefers it. IOW: it should be configurable. > The insane: > > Suspend/Shutdown: > > I think this is the first