Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sat, 2011-11-12 at 00:29 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > No replies? > > Not from users, nor developers. Something is definitely wrong here. Something is wrong because nobody responded to a barrage of emails within three hours? I'm a developer. I don't get paid to do this. > On Fri, 2011-11-11

Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Andy Tai
Try LXDE. gtk3 based but GNOME2 like. works well for me. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Svante Signell wrote: > No replies? > > Not from users, nor developers. Something is definitely wrong here. > > Thanks! > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 a

Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Svante Signell
No replies? Not from users, nor developers. Something is definitely wrong here. Thanks! On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:48 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:43 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:

Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:48 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:43 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:31 +0100, x y wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> ok... but if you do not have the gnomes

Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:43 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:31 +0100, x y wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi > > wrote: > > > > > >> ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? what about those > > >> 200 desktops that are unable to displ

Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:31 +0100, x y wrote: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi > wrote: > > > >> ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? what about those > >> 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? Where is the netspeed applet? And why does pidgin not work

A lot of very unhappy Linux users (a dream)

2011-11-11 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 10:18 -0500, Brian J. Murrell escreveu: > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 13:15 -0200, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > > WOW... finally a good news... now just wait for a working panel (a one > > I can > > customize...) ... > > And desktop and window selection that only requires a si

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
The hot corner is your friend: "The hot corner is the corner at the top left of the screen. When you move the pointer to this corner, the activities overview opens." I do not know whether the problem is in Fedora 15 or in Gnome 3 -- but for me the activities overview opens unexpectedly (several

Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread x y
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > >> ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell??  what about those >> 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? >> > > They will either go to fallback mode, or (if you wait for 3.4, at > least i beieve it is planned) 3dhw is not

Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 13:15 -0200, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > WOW... finally a good news... now just wait for a working panel (a one > I can > customize...) ... And desktop and window selection that only requires a single click (or two at most) of a mouse rather than multiple clicks and/or h

ftp:// handling

2011-11-11 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Hello! As everyone might have noticed, the ftp:// links aren't supported in Epiphany. Is there any way to set an external URI handler for them either in Epiphany or in GNOME? Does GNOME infrastructure have the URI handler settings? Does Epiphany support it? P.S.: Sorry for cross-posting, I don't

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Ernest Sales
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:30:41 -0500 > From: "carpetna...@researchintegration.org" > [...] > Another: I used to be able to move to a different app/document by > clicking on the document in the bottom panel Now I have to > 1. Alt-tab to get the screen that has the different apps > 2. Conti

Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Ernest Sales
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:19:19 -0200 > From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi [...] > ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? what about those > 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? > > I bought several (20) diskless stations Intel Atom N525.. and linux > is unable to start the 3D in

Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
> > ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? what about those > > 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? > > > > They will either go to fallback mode, or (if you wait for 3.4, at > least i beieve it is planned) 3dhw is not mandatory anymore. > WOW... finally a good news... now jus

Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread x y
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 21:57 +0800, Frederic Muller escreveu: > > Those 2 problems are very easily solved in GNOME3 > > On 11/11/2011 09:30 PM, carpetna...@researchintegration.org wrote: > open >> documents that I use everyday or s

Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:19:19PM -0200, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? what about those > 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? > > I bought several (20) diskless stations Intel Atom N525.. and linux > is unable to start the 3D in the c

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread x y
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:30 PM, carpetna...@researchintegration.org wrote: > Think of all the time wasted by the (hundreds of thousands of?) users > all over the world trying to relearn how to use their major, everyday > tool! Steve Jobs reportedly reminded his developers early on something > lik

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 02:16:49PM +0100, Trond Husø wrote: > I am still on 10.04 LTS (Ubuntu), and so I am still on Gnome2 waiting > for the next LTS to arrive which will either have G3 or Unity GUI. Default will be Unity. The GNOME 3 bits are a combination of GNOME 3.0 (totem), 3.2 (evolution,

A lot of very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 21:57 +0800, Frederic Muller escreveu: > Those 2 problems are very easily solved in GNOME3 > > On 11/11/2011 09:30 PM, carpetna...@researchintegration.org wrote: > open > > documents that I use everyday or so by just clicking on the desktop > > icon, I now have to > > Ico

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Trond Husø
Could it be that Gnome 3 GUI is different than any other GUI that we've seen and worked with. When Microsoft sent out Windows vista there were some changes from XP, but not that big. Win7 was more or less vista and since the layout of the gui was similar to XP and Vista, adopting to Win7 was a bree

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Frederic Muller
Those 2 problems are very easily solved in GNOME3 On 11/11/2011 09:30 PM, carpetna...@researchintegration.org wrote: open documents that I use everyday or so by just clicking on the desktop icon, I now have to Icons on desktop can be enabled in GNOME3. This is not progress. Another: I use

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread carpetna...@researchintegration.org
Think of all the time wasted by the (hundreds of thousands of?) users all over the world trying to relearn how to use their major, everyday tool! Steve Jobs reportedly reminded his developers early on something like this: If it takes 10 extra seconds to boot Mac, multiply that by the millions or us

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Vinicius Uriel
I have been using gnome shell since the first release on fedora 15. I am already adapted to almost all changes, but I think some points need more atention. The number of mouse clicks, mouse gestures and keyboard key presses were increased in almost every simple action, like launch an application,

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Vinicius Uriel
I have been using gnome shell since the first release on fedora 15. I am already adapted to almost all changes, but I think some points need more atention. The number of mouse clicks, mouse gestures and keyboard key presses were increased in almost every simple action, like launch an application,

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Ernest Sales
I see no lack of functionality or productivity with GNOME 3 compared to GNOME 2. Many things have to be done in a different way, perhaps too many for anyone who is already busy with his work, but when you get used to it, the result is efficiency and comfort. Really miss some pieces, like a place o

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Bruno Berisso
Exactly the same thing happen when kde4 was released. A lot of people angry left kde or keep using the 3.5 version because kde4 "was a mess". I think that Gnome 3 need some time to grow. It's just to new. May by in the next release we will see some of the lost features we have in the 2.x versions.

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread David Dupin
You only want to launch flameware not discuss about gnome 3. Force of open source is choice, so if we are unhappy with something we can easily switch to another. I am only gnome user not gnome developper. And yes linux is not gnome, i am surprised a bsd user misunderstand this. Jan Mussche a é

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:19:02AM +0100, Jan Mussche wrote: > Question: what is this mailing list for, if not for writing about your > ideas of having a much better Gnome than what we have to deal with now? As per the description: "This list is for general discussion of GNOME. It is an appropriat

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Jan Mussche
Question: what is this mailing list for, if not for writing about your ideas of having a much better Gnome than what we have to deal with now? On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 10:43 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 09:31:07AM +0100, Jan Mussche wrote: > > I just had major neck surgery bu

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Barry Say
Jan has my sympathy. I joined this list shortly before the change and was truly appalled when Gnome 3 was imposed on me. I thought I was upgrading Fedora and was faced with a new and incomprehensible desktop, which felt like everything I was trying to get away from on Windows and MACs. I think

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 09:30 +0100, x y escreveu: > I have to argue against the previous writers: > > I was no gnome2 User and moved to gnome3 because I like the concept. > > And: Linux Mint will definitely move to gnome3 but they're working on > extensions to change panel behaviour and in genera

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 09:31:07AM +0100, Jan Mussche wrote: > I just had major neck surgery but I don't like to have knife on my > throat. I know you're upset, but take such comparisons elsewhere please. Not appropriate for a public mailing list. -- Regards, Olav (moderator) ___

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 06:15 +0100, Jan Mussche wrote: > Hello, > If you want people to keep using Gnome you simply have to change back > to what Gnome was. If not you will see a large decrease of people > hanging on to it and I can not say it in a different way: this is what > you deserve. +1 I

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread x y
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Jan Mussche wrote: > Let's face it, Gnome was on 75% of all Linux computers and now the Any proof for that? Because I don't believe it. Or any of the other "facts" you're writing about. The only thing I see are personal feelings written down as "facts".

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 18:51 +1030, Daniel Moore escreveu: > Please, Gnome != Linux > > Gnome is just one option for Linux out of many. Have a look at the > alternatives... try some. Linux has always been about finding the > right package for you, not about ensuring that the general direction > or

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 09:16 +0100, Jan Mussche escreveu: > I'm happy I am not the only one here complaining about the new Gnome. > Now it will depend on the developers there what will happen with the > future of Gnome and maybe even Linux in general. > When even the Man himself, Mr. Linux said tha

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Jan Mussche
Yes, yes, I know that. But I have tried LXDE, XFCE and KDE and why? Because Gnome stops being Gnome. Let's face it, Gnome was on 75% of all Linux computers and now the developers just force us to choose something else or accept what they have invented. I just had major neck surgery but I don't lik

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread x y
I have to argue against the previous writers: I was no gnome2 User and moved to gnome3 because I like the concept. And: Linux Mint will definitely move to gnome3 but they're working on extensions to change panel behaviour and in general immitate the look&feel of gnome2. __

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Daniel Moore
Please, Gnome != Linux Gnome is just one option for Linux out of many. Have a look at the alternatives... try some. Linux has always been about finding the right package for you, not about ensuring that the general direction or distribution conforms to your desires. On 11/11/2011, at 6:46 PM,

Re: One very unhappy Linux user

2011-11-11 Thread Jan Mussche
I'm happy I am not the only one here complaining about the new Gnome. Now it will depend on the developers there what will happen with the future of Gnome and maybe even Linux in general. When even the Man himself, Mr. Linux said that Gnome 3 is an unholy mess and developers have their heads in the