At the risk of beating on this to death ...
Am I correct in the belief that we mean Insert and CapLocks
interchangeably? If so, I agree.
Insert is the long established default on full-sized keyboards. I don't
believe this was at issue, in fact.
CapLocks comes up only to facilitate laptop users w
Rich Burridge wrote:
> I can quantify how significant that is to a blind user.
That should have course been:
I can't quantify how significant that is to a blind user.
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Hi Janina,
> Of course, the fact that this is established practice and widely
> expected by users both on Windows and Linux should really end this
> discussion, from the user point of view. Choosing anything else will
> certainly cause continuing confusion and displeasure among users, so
> there'
Bill Haneman writes:
> Thanks Will. That clarifies things somewhat - we're using the term
> "modifier key" differently. Maybe I'll contact you offlist for info on
> the internal details.
>
> So does that basically mean this whole discussion of orca on laptops is
> moot, or at least addressed
With regards to alternatives to the numeric keypad, might it make sense
to offer Emacs- and Vim-style movement keys as options? Just a thought.
Also, as though to prove how important this issue is, here's a post just
sent to the Mozilla dev-accessibility list in which a would-be Ubuntu
and Orca us
Hey mike,
I have the same issue the the Edgy live disk and so now I know its not
just me. It takes ages for it to boot, and half the time, even if you
press f5, 3, then enter, speech won't come up anyway. Maybe you might
try the alternate CD to install without booting to the desktop I don't
know
Hello all,
Speakup had a the capslock key as a modifier for laptops, with the
right-hand part of the keyboard being used in place of the numpad keys,
e.g.
uio = 789
jkl = 456
m,. = 123
I can't remember what they did for /, *, -, +, ., or the enter key, but
I'
I went to my Linux group on Monday to try and upgrade my version of
Ubuntu to Edgy.
However the speech didn't seem to come up when I pressed F5 followed by
3 when the boot menu came up and it seems like even trying to install
without speech didn't work either.
I burned the Live CD myself at home
Cleverson wrote:
> Hi all
>
> My suggestion is that we don't have a single laptop layout, but perhaps
> three to five layouts matching several kinds of keyboards.
I think we should try to avoid this if we can. A single keyboard layout
for laptops will be easier to maintain and support (such as on
> So does that basically mean this whole discussion of orca on laptops is
> moot, or at least addressed fully via orca.settings.orcaModifierKeys
> (possibly with a UI for changing it easily) ?
I don't think the "whole discussion" is moot. The discussion up to this
point has been around the mod
On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 16:43 +, Bill Haneman wrote:
> Rich Burridge wrote:
> >
> > Orca doesn't care what kind of key it uses for its modifier key. It
> > can be anything.
> Yes, but I think there is some agreement that finding a reasonable
> default modifier is a worthwhile goal.
I think the
Thanks Will. That clarifies things somewhat - we're using the term
"modifier key" differently. Maybe I'll contact you offlist for info on
the internal details.
So does that basically mean this whole discussion of orca on laptops is
moot, or at least addressed fully via orca.settings.orcaModif
Hi All:
I don't think there's a need to map an existing X modifier to the Orca
modifier. Orca invents its own modifier internally and allows any key
to act as the Orca modifier. That's why Insert and KP_Insert can act as
the Orca modifier key. As such, I'm not sure "which modifier" is an
import
Hi Bill.
> I think we need to resolve this second issue (i.e. of what _modifier_ we
> use for orca) before dealing with the first issue (i.e. what physical
> key we wish to assign that modifier to).
At the risk of asking a silly question Why can't we just do what
Rich suggested yesterday,
Rich Burridge wrote:
>
> Orca doesn't care what kind of key it uses for its modifier key. It
> can be anything.
Yes, but I think there is some agreement that finding a reasonable
default modifier is a worthwhile goal.
Bill
>
> If anybody wants to try using CapsLock to see if they are more
> com
Bill Haneman wrote:
> Lukas Loehrer wrote:...
>
>> I would therefore say that CapsLock is the more suitable choice of the
>> two as a default orca modifier key on laptops.
>>
>>
> I don't wish to belabor this point, but I find that terminology
> confusing. If we remap the CapsLock key,
Lukas Loehrer wrote:...
> I would therefore say that CapsLock is the more suitable choice of the
> two as a default orca modifier key on laptops.
>
I don't wish to belabor this point, but I find that terminology
confusing. If we remap the CapsLock key, then we are not using the
CapsLock modif
Steve Lee wrote:
> Thanks Bill.
>
> BTW is the presentation you did at Gnome Boston available online yet?
>
Yes, the Boston presentation was based on that one, and on another at
http://www.gnome.org/~billh/ApplicationImplementation.odp
Bill
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Thanks Bill.BTW is the presentation you did at Gnome Boston available online yet?On 11/8/06, Bill Haneman <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Steve Lee wrote:> Well I was really making a fairly general question ignoring the layers
> and agree it depends on the language or libraries you use. My question> was
Steve Lee wrote:
> Well I was really making a fairly general question ignoring the layers
> and agree it depends on the language or libraries you use. My question
> was not so much the mechanics but more what you are conceptually
> doing. Perhaps it is rather fuzzy distinction. It's all useful i
Hi Benjamin:
I see, you're talking about a different thing from what I was referring
to - I thought you were talking about the "CapsLock behavior" settings,
which are all latching.
What you have done, as far as I can tell, is re-map the CapsLock key to
be a different key altogether - so it's
Well I was really making a fairly general question ignoring the layers and
agree it depends on the language or libraries you use.
My question was not so much the mechanics but more what you are conceptually doing.
Perhaps it is rather fuzzy distinction. It's all useful info thanks David.My main
ex
Tomas Cerha writes ("Re: Orca on laptops."):
> Hello, I'm using CapsLock as another Ctrl key. It is configurable
> through Gnome keyboard properties dialog (before it was there I used a
> modified xkb layout to achieve that). Without any deeper knowledge, I'd
> assume that this is not a hardware
On 11/8/06, Bill Haneman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't see that option in the preferences dialog - you can indeed alter
> the way CapsLock works, and whether the Shift key cancels CapsLock or
> not, but it seems to be a latching key in all cases, as far as I can tell.
Just tested it on my
Hi David, Steve:
I think there are two aspects to Steve's question. One aspect has to do
with the exact API call syntax that the client uses to access AT-SPI,
which I think is what you are referring to. The "raw" C CORBA bindings
are a bit ugly (while the python ones are elegant) but don't ac
Bill Haneman wrote:
> I don't see that option in the preferences dialog - you can indeed alter
> the way CapsLock works, and whether the Shift key cancels CapsLock or
> not, but it seems to be a latching key in all cases, as far as I can tell.
You can make it a Ctrl in "Ctrl key position -> Make
Tomas Cerha wrote:
> Bill Haneman:
>
>> I see. I expect that would be a hazardous and/or fragile thing to
>> attempt on X, especially if, as I believe, the latching behavior is a
>> hardware feature on some (most?) keyboards.
>>
>
> Hello, I'm using CapsLock as another Ctrl key. It is c
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
> On 11/8/06, Bill Haneman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Luke Yelavich wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> In Windows, Jaws manages to prevent the capslock key from being latched
>>> or unlatched. To latch/unlatch, you press shift + Capslock, or press
>>> capslock twice qui
Hi Steve,
The at-spi hides nasty stuff like CORBA behind an API. In early days we
used the cspi bindings (for C), but we should all now use the normative
C library libspi. I imagine you are most interested in python bindings
-- which I haven't used (yet).
Note, gok hasn't migrated from cspi
Steve Lee wrote:
> Out of interest do assistive technologies (AT) get to use an API or
> library (similar to ATK for the server applications) or do they use
> direct CORBA calls?
They use CORBA bindings, which on the client side are usually fairly
straightforward. For instance, the python AT-SP
Bill Haneman:
> I see. I expect that would be a hazardous and/or fragile thing to
> attempt on X, especially if, as I believe, the latching behavior is a
> hardware feature on some (most?) keyboards.
Hello, I'm using CapsLock as another Ctrl key. It is configurable
through Gnome keyboard prope
On 11/8/06, Bill Haneman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Luke Yelavich wrote:
> > ...
> > In Windows, Jaws manages to prevent the capslock key from being latched
> > or unlatched. To latch/unlatch, you press shift + Capslock, or press
> > capslock twice quickly.
> >
> I see. I expect that would be a
Out of interest do assistive technologies (AT) get to use an API or library (similar to ATK for the server applications) or do they use direct CORBA calls?
AT is very unlikely to use a particular GUI for any UI they present as that UI has to be accessible.
-- Steve Leewww.oatsoft.orgwww.fullmeasu
Luke Yelavich wrote:
> ...
> In Windows, Jaws manages to prevent the capslock key from being latched
> or unlatched. To latch/unlatch, you press shift + Capslock, or press
> capslock twice quickly.
>
I see. I expect that would be a hazardous and/or fragile thing to
attempt on X, especially i
Ian Pascoe wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Some thoughts that have been kind of troubling me over the past.
>
> There have been various postings in the past about compatability , or lack
> of it, with various applications. The most notable being that of Firefox
> just recently. In my ignorance, should the co
On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 10:38:22PM EST, Bill Haneman wrote:
> lazzaro wrote:
> >I use the Capslock key as a modifyer instead of insert all the time with
> >Jaws on laptops, and I like how it's implemented there. It appears to
> >work with the capslock key latched or unlatched.
> >
> CapsLock alwa
lazzaro wrote:
> I use the Capslock key as a modifyer instead of insert all the time with
> Jaws on laptops, and I like how it's implemented there. It appears to
> work with the capslock key latched or unlatched.
>
CapsLock always latches, in every keyboard I've encountered (i.e. that's
why it'
On 7 Nov 2006, at 21:12, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>
> This idea I like. On my laptops, AltGr doesn't seem to be doing
> anything useful (like allowing me to get into menus). And every
> laptop
> I've seen has had this key.
Macintosh laptops don't have it (at least, my Powerbook doesn't).
Chee
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