Re: [g-a-devel] XEvie

2010-02-11 Thread Willie Walker
At some point, we need to investigate XInput2 and what it brings to the table. For now, ignore that text and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. The DeviceEventController should behave properly independent of what underlying method (e.g., GTK hooks, XEvIE, XInput2) is used. Of co

Re: [g-a-devel] Unsure about when to migrate mousetweaks to at-spi2

2010-02-09 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Francesco: Thanks for your work! Would it be possible to add checks to the code to make it either conditionally compile/link for CORBA or D-Bus, or link against both and have it choose at runtime? Will On Feb 9, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Francesco Fumanti wrote: > Hi, > Mousetweaks is an assisti

Re: [g-a-devel] Orca and speech data processing order

2010-01-25 Thread Willie Walker
Hi: Under the docs/doc-set directory, you will find some internals.{pdf,html} files that provide an overall description of the internals. This document is a little out of date, but the high level ideas are still much the same. Also, under src/orca/acss.py, you will find a definition for an ACS

Re: [g-a-devel] at-spi2 first impressions

2010-01-04 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Li, Mark: Orca currently listens for object:children-changed events to determine when applications are removed from the desktop. We could listen for application-removed, though (I didn't know about this event). Will On Dec 17, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Li Yuan wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Yes, for 3, p

Re: [g-a-devel] Announce: AT-SPI2 0.1.2 released.

2009-11-17 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Halim: GNOME 2.29.x is going to be unstable for some time as we go through the migration to D-Bus. For now, assume you should only use it for testing and not day-to-day work. I believe the impact of the "check using PID to check that the application using pyatspi does not call itself" mo

[g-a-devel] Need your help: new modules being proposed for GNOME 2.30

2009-11-02 Thread Willie Walker
Hi All: I need your help evaluating new modules for accessibility. At http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentynine/ExternalDependencies and http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentynine/Desktop you'll find a list of modules being proposed for inclusion into GNOME 2.30. Some of these modules may have

Re: [g-a-devel] How to automatically detect password prompts?

2009-10-23 Thread Willie Walker
You explicitely named Firefox. But I assume that it applies also to the other browsers? Or am I wrong? Well...Firefox is currently the only browser that really supports the AT-SPI. As the WebKit work progresses, then it too should support the password role. Note also that some of this also b

Re: [g-a-devel] How to automatically detect password prompts?

2009-10-23 Thread Willie Walker
Francesco Fumanti wrote: GUI-based password entry fields *should* support the AT-SPI ROLE_PASSWORD_TEXT role. If they don't, it's a bug in the application. Does this also include the password entry fields in web pages? It should. If it doesn't, it's a bug either in the web app for Firefox.

Re: [g-a-devel] How to automatically detect password prompts?

2009-10-23 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Francesco: GUI-based password entry fields *should* support the AT-SPI ROLE_PASSWORD_TEXT role. If they don't, it's a bug in the application. Prompts in the terminal are not easily detected as far as we've been able to tell. If you can come up with something for them, I'd be interested.

Re: [g-a-devel] Use case for ATK_STATE_ARMED?

2009-09-28 Thread Willie Walker
Andrés: I'm not really sure of the utility of the ATK_STATE_ARMED state. The only place I can think of right now might be enabling some sort of audio cue (e.g., an ignited fuse sizzling away). We've not really ventured into audio deeply, though. Will Andrés G. Aragoneses wrote: Hi. I ma

Re: [g-a-devel] feedback: first try at-spi2

2009-08-19 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Halim: There is still some work to do to make at-spi2 work with assistive technologies such as Orca. Without digging into the complete stack trace below, I suspect you might be running into the reentrancy issue that still needs to be resolved. Discussions of the work remaining to be do

Re: [g-a-devel] accessibility of new GTK+ features

2009-05-05 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Matthias: Many thanks for being proactive about accessibility. Do you have a small demo app that shows these new features? Will On 05/05/09 16:19, Matthias Clasen wrote: GTK+ has been growing some new things lately: * icons in entries * scale marks * links in labels (soon) I'd apprec

Re: [g-a-devel] AT-SPI support for clipboard?

2009-04-06 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Sam: Since the clipboard doesn't necessarily manifest itself as a visual GUI object, it's not something that would be exposed via the AT-SPI. Instead, you can interact with the clipboard using the standard GTK+ mechanisms. Here's the class in Python: http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/

Re: [g-a-devel] xsettings and GTK+ a11y modules

2009-04-06 Thread Willie Walker
Sorry - the xsettings related bug is here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535827. (Bugzilla was so slow today that I gave up waiting for it before I sent the last message). Will On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Willie Walker wrote: Hi Eitan: The xsettings change was made late in the

Re: [g-a-devel] xsettings and GTK+ a11y modules

2009-04-06 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Eitan: The xsettings change was made late in the 2.24 cycle, and the associated gconf property is now what determines whether or not the GTK+ a11y modules are loaded or not. To allow people to prevent a11y from being activated, a couple changes were made to GAIL and the bridge: NO_GAIL:

Re: [g-a-devel] Speech-dispatcher/orca integration specification, first draft.

2009-03-25 Thread Willie Walker
I think tying the speech solution to a layer such as PulseAudio is a mistake. Instead, the speech solution should be able to sit on top of whatever audio solution is provided by the OS. Will Eitan Isaacson wrote: Hi, (note: practical suggestions follow philosophical contemplations) Screen

Re: [g-a-devel] Speech-dispatcher/orca integration specification, first draft.

2009-03-10 Thread Willie Walker
Yeah Luke! Thanks so much. I look forward to reading your draft soon. Will Luke Yelavich wrote: Hi all As you all may be aware, there are plans to deprecate bonobo et al for GNOME 3.0. One area of GNOME's accessibility technology that is affected by this deprecation is gnome-speech, which i

Re: [g-a-devel] D-Bus replacement for AT-SPI Accessibility

2009-02-23 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Mark: Nice writeup -- thanks for doing it. :-) - The 'Collection' and 'StreamableContent' interfaces still need to be implemented. Some code has been written but is currently not built and has not been tested. The Collection interface is indeed used by assistive technologies. When it wo

[g-a-devel] BrlTTY/libcspi (was Re: Gnome-accessibility-devel Digest, Vol 57, Issue 4)

2009-02-23 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Samuel: AT-SPI is undergoing a transition from CORBA to D-Bus, most likely for GNOME 3.0. The work is being tracked here: http://linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/ATK/AT-SPI/AT-SPI_on_D-Bus libcspi is one of the things that has yet to be done because the port will require a fair amoun

Re: [g-a-devel] How to "disappear" a menu?

2009-02-20 Thread Willie Walker
To dismiss a menu, I *think* you should be able to synthesize an "Escape" keypress/keyrelease. Will Quiring, Sam wrote: Greetings, Using AT-SPI accessible operations I can click on menus and submenus and cause the drop-down menu to be exposed. If the last operation performed is to click o

Re: [g-a-devel] status of cspi?

2009-02-17 Thread Willie Walker
As far as I know, the cspi has not been marked for deprecation. The framework which AT-SPI currently depends upon (e.g., Bonobo), however, has and is why the work to move AT-SPI to D-Bus is being done. Will Quiring, Sam wrote: Greetings, I am having a problem reconciling Ariel Rios's email

Re: [g-a-devel] Do all references to the same object have the same value?

2009-02-12 Thread Willie Walker
Good luck! Will Quiring, Sam wrote: Hi Will, I'm not at liberty to say anything. Sorry. -Sam -Original Message- From: william.wal...@sun.com [mailto:william.wal...@sun.com] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:57 AM To: Quiring, Sam Cc: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org Subject:

Re: [g-a-devel] Do all references to the same object have the same value?

2009-02-12 Thread Willie Walker
Heh - you haven't said much. :-) Are you saying you can and will give back by way of source? If so, that will be great and I look forward to your contributions. Will Quiring, Sam wrote: I didn't say I could not give back by way of source. -Original Message- From: william.wal...@s

Re: [g-a-devel] Do all references to the same object have the same value?

2009-02-12 Thread Willie Walker
Hmm...if you cannot give back by the way of source code, perhaps you can help the community by updating and improving the documentation? That would be very useful. Will Quiring, Sam wrote: Hi Will, I get your questions. I'm not at liberty to say. -Sam -Original Message- From: wil

Re: [g-a-devel] Do all references to the same object have the same value?

2009-02-12 Thread Willie Walker
Quiring, Sam wrote: Is this documented somewhere? It's kind of documented. The Accessibility_Accessible interface extends the Bonobo::Unknown interface: http://svn.gnome.org/svn/libbonobo/trunk/idl/Bonobo_Unknown.idl. There's some ref counting docs here: http://svn.gnome.org/svn/libbonobo

Re: [g-a-devel] Do all references to the same object have the same value?

2009-02-12 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Sam: Is it the desire of open source software developers to only help open source usages of the software? For the open source culture, my general opinion is that the accessibility community is very small with very few resources. This leaves more room for cooperation than competition, and

Re: [g-a-devel] Do all references to the same object have the same value?

2009-02-12 Thread Willie Walker
PS - Are you ready to let the world know what your mystery project is yet? A fear I have is that we may all be spending lots of time helping you develop a proprietary product. That might be a bummer for us open source folks. Will Quiring, Sam wrote: Greetings, My application uses AT-SPI

Re: [g-a-devel] Do all references to the same object have the same value?

2009-02-12 Thread Willie Walker
If I understand your question correctly, to be guaranteed equality between separate events, you need to explicitly ref() the object. Will Quiring, Sam wrote: Greetings, My application uses AT-SPI to examine an application. Suppose the target application has a check box on it. If the targe

Re: [g-a-devel] [orca-list] X11 error at at-spi-registryd launch

2009-01-23 Thread Willie Walker
Hmm...the orca-list might be the wrong place to have this discussion. gnome-accessibility-devel (CC'd) might be better. A Google search for "request_code 153 minor_code 3" yielded this page, which seems to point fingers at the XEvIE extension: http://archive.netbsd.se/?ml=xorg-team&a=2008-

Re: [g-a-devel] ATK - Signal indicating new AtkObject creation.

2009-01-15 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Michael: Thanks for the response, and nice hearing from you. :-) :-) I think Mark is advocating a position close to what I tend to think is optimal. AFAICS there are not a vast number of accessibles on (or near) the screen at any one time, and exposing them all allows for extremely

Re: [g-a-devel] ATK - Signal indicating new AtkObject creation.

2009-01-13 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Mark: The following is going to sound wishy-washy. The main thing is that I'm on the fence about this and think we really need a good performance analysis to determine which way to go. I'm CC'ing Michael Meeks for a number of reasons and hope he can also provide some insight. What w

Re: [g-a-devel] AccessibleDeviceEventMask and SPI_registerDeviceEventListener()

2008-12-15 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Jeff an everyone: The AT-SPI/D-Bus work is being tracked at http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/ATK/AT-SPI/AT-SPI_on_D-Bus, and it includes a plan to migrate CSPI to D-Bus. IMO, doing this work in Python is a lot easier than doing it in C, so that's why we're seeing more and m

Re: [g-a-devel] [PATCH] java-access-bridge: handle selecting text and typing over it

2008-12-03 Thread Willie Walker
Thanks! I opened a new bug for you: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=563173 Will On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 14:21 -0500, Omair Majid wrote: > This is a patch for the java-access-bridge in gnome > (http://live.gnome.org/Java%20Access%20Bridge). Using a swing > JTextField, if a user selects

Re: [g-a-devel] Unknown CORBA exception?

2008-11-20 Thread Willie Walker
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nagappan A Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:23 PM To: Willie Walker Cc: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org; Quiring, Sam Subject: Re: [g-a-devel] Unknown CORBA exception? Hi Will, This happens in most of the Ubuntu / RHEL systems, some of

Re: [g-a-devel] Unknown CORBA exception?

2008-11-19 Thread Willie Walker
> > > ______ > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Nagappan A > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:23 PM > To: Willie Walker > Cc: gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.o

Re: [g-a-devel] Unknown CORBA exception?

2008-11-19 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Sam: I wonder if the application is misbehaving. Try looking at the desktop via accerciser and see what it shows. In addition, in your code, try printing the accessible name of each object as you get it. It might provide some insight into which application might be the source of the problem.

Re: [g-a-devel] need help implementing a widget in atk

2008-10-30 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Mike: As was suggested by Li Yuan, the first view looks a lot like one of the gtk-demo demos. In particular, the "Tree View"->"Tree Store" demo: http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/Screenshot-CardPlanningSheet.png In accerciser, this shows up as a "tree table" with a very flat hierarchy. T

Re: [g-a-devel] GNOME Accessibility presentation - contribution to stock GNOME presentations

2008-10-03 Thread Willie Walker
sure you show off single switch scanning... and UI Grab... > word completion... we can talk offline. > > cheers, > davidb > Dave Neary wrote: > > Hi Willie, > > > > Willie Walker wrote: > > > >> http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/dwell-click.avi >

Re: [g-a-devel] GNOME Accessibility presentation - contribution to stock GNOME presentations

2008-09-30 Thread Willie Walker
of what's available and not meant to be instructional videos. Will On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 18:18 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi there, > > Willie Walker wrote: > > I think the idea of stock presentations and demos (something you > > proposed earlier this year) is an awe

Re: [g-a-devel] ATK_STATE_FOCUSABLE for nonsensitive widgets

2008-09-22 Thread Willie Walker
Ha...well...this is an area of delight and confusion, I think. There's FOCUSABLE, ENABLED, and SENSITIVE. If I understand them correctly: 1) SENSITIVE means whether it's grayed or not 2) ENABLED means that if you can interact with it, it will actually do something (versus just being a button

Re: [g-a-devel] tooltips

2008-09-11 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Mike: I added a quick call to self.printAncestry(obj) in Orca's default.py:presentTooltip method. It appears as though the tooltip is a top level object with no parent and no relations. I might have expected to see a RELATION_TOOLTIP_FOR relation, but we handle it gracefully in Orca none

Re: [g-a-devel] GNOME Accessibility presentation - contribution to stock GNOME presentations

2008-09-11 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Dave: I think the idea of stock presentations and demos (something you proposed earlier this year) is an awesome idea. I need to ramp back up on this stuff soon as well since I will be doing a few presentations in the coming months. I'm more than willing to put my stuff under some sort o

Re: [g-a-devel] startup of a11y tools

2008-06-04 Thread Willie Walker
Now that this bug has been fixed for 2.24, we may have gotten rid of one of the last remaining barriers to enabling a11y by default: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524263 Will Peter Korn wrote: > Hey Willie, > > Regarding #5 below - enabling accessibility on the desktop: I think

Re: [g-a-devel] [orca-list] PolicyKit

2008-06-03 Thread Willie Walker
Hi All: The ARIA live-region concept might be applicable here: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/AJAX:WAI_ARIA_Live_Regions With respect to automatically reading static text, Orca has some code to do this, and it does so in a number of places. We 'dialed down' the aggressiveness of Orca's

Re: [g-a-devel] startup of a11y tools

2008-05-05 Thread Willie Walker
I agree that things are a little confusing right now. I'm not sure I've fully understood/appreciated the motivation for why things are the way they currently are. This might be a good opportunity to clarify, improve, or both. :-) I think there are a bunch of different problems to think about:

Re: [g-a-devel] About GAIL recent migration

2008-03-10 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Andres: From http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169488#c28: "I'll have to live on for at least 2.22, since we don't plan to do a gtk release before next guadec." Hope this helps, Will Andrés G. Aragoneses wrote: > Hi all, > > I've just read this news: > > http://blogs.sun.com/wwa

Re: [g-a-devel] [Kde-accessibility] [Accessibility] Re: [Accessibility-atspi] D-Bus AT-SPI - The way forward

2007-12-17 Thread Willie Walker
Steve Lee wrote: > On 17/12/2007, Willie Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> o Look at the role of the event source. Passing this along in the event >> would prevent a round trip. > > Doesn't the EventDetails expansion cover this? It appears to be > o

Re: [g-a-devel] [Accessibility] Re: [Accessibility-atspi] D-Bus AT-SPI - The way forward

2007-12-17 Thread Willie Walker
Hi All: I still need to catch up on all this mail. It's all good stuff, and I'm excited to see intelligent and cooperative conversation going on. In the meantime... >> Having said that, it'd be great to build an understanding of what >> people do synchronously during event emission & can

Re: [g-a-devel] doubt about accessibility framework

2007-12-16 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Carlos: Unless the colorblind applet wants to use AT-SPI, it shouldn't need the Accessibility typelib. I just took a cursory glance at the code, and it seems as though loading the Accessibility typelib is not needed. Unless the person doesn't have AT-SPI support installed in their machine,

Re: [g-a-devel] [Kde-accessibility] [Accessibility] Re: [Accessibility-atspi] D-Bus AT-SPI - The way forward

2007-12-12 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Rob: Though I helped create the Java accessibility API proper, I'm not quite sure how the CORBA stuff is handled. I've only worked on a few bugs in the java-access-bridge (see http://svn.gnome.org/svn/java-access-bridge/trunk), it's still a slight bit beyond me. It's probably obvious, but

Re: [g-a-devel] [Usability] Mousetweaks usability discussion

2007-11-01 Thread Willie Walker
I definitely like the mockups -- nice work! Regarding the mouse keys settings, one needs to take into consideration that the target users of this are people with differing physical abilities who may need finer control over the parameters. This might possibly result in more knobs and dials, but

Re: [g-a-devel] gnome-speech, and audio output, moving forward.

2007-10-15 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Luke: I'll be in the area (I live just over the border in New Hampshire) and would be happy to come down for a day. Will Luke Yelavich wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all > - From reading a summary of the recent Boston summit, I don't remember seeing > anythi

Re: [g-a-devel] a11y module proposal: MouseTweaks (i.e.: software click)

2007-10-12 Thread Willie Walker
It would probably also be good to carry the discussion on the gnome-accessibility-devel or gnome-accessibility lists, too, since those folks are going to be the ones most affected by the changes. ;-) Will Murray Cumming wrote: > On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 18:08 +0200, Jens Granseuer wrote: > >>

Re: [g-a-devel] a11y module proposal: MouseTweaks (i.e.: software click)

2007-10-11 Thread Willie Walker
ecially those that made it possible to have it demoed during that > event. > > > At 2:24 PM -0400 10/8/07, Willie Walker wrote: >> We discussed MouseTweaks at the summit at think it definitely looks >> like it provides great functionality for the intended users. Overall

Re: [g-a-devel] a11y module proposal: MouseTweaks (i.e.: software click)

2007-10-08 Thread Willie Walker
perhaps the server extension idea is not that important. Thanks! Will PS - Your video really helped a lot with the understanding of why MouseTweaks is important and useful. Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Francesco: > > No problem with replying late - I happen to be up late. :-) I took a

Re: [g-a-devel] a11y module proposal: MouseTweaks (i.e.: software click)

2007-10-06 Thread Willie Walker
and useful tool, and your recordmydesktop video demo of it was great. I've added it to the agenda for today and will bring it up for discussion. Thanks for the effort! Will Francesco Fumanti wrote: > Hello, > > > First of all, sorry for replying so late. > > > At 3:2

Re: [g-a-devel] a11y module proposal: MouseTweaks (i.e.: software click)

2007-10-01 Thread Willie Walker
Francesco: If you know of anyone that might even be remotely related to MouseTweaks and could talk about it (e.g., demo, use cases, remaining work, etc.), I'd be really happy to add it to the agenda for the accessibility summit. I'd also like to hear more about onBoard and future plans for it.

Re: [g-a-devel] [u-a-dev] gnome-speech, and audio output, moving forward.

2007-09-18 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Luke: First of all, I say "Hear, hear!" The audio windmill is something people have been charging at for a long time. Users who rely upon speech synthesis working correctly and integrating well with the rest of their environment are among those that need reliable audio support most critically

[g-a-devel] [Fwd: Announcing Orca v2.20.0]

2007-09-16 Thread Willie Walker
Hi All: These have been a very busy 6 months for the Orca team. When I look back on where we were 6 months ago, I'm amazed at how far we've come. Thanks everyone for your support and contributions. Orca is truly a community project and I feel lucky to be involved with it. For the very brave of

Re: [g-a-devel] LSR activities?

2007-09-14 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Michael: From http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-accessibility-list/2007-June/msg0.html: "Development on LSR as a screen reader for GNOME will cease." Will On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 11:11 +0200, Michael Zacherle wrote: > Hi all, > > is there someone out still developing LSR, or is everybo

[g-a-devel] GNOME Boston 2007 Accessibility Summit

2007-08-31 Thread Willie Walker
Hi All: We had a really good GNOME Accessibility Summit last year where we got to know each other and had some really good ideas with some good positive follow through. As a result, we're going to do the accessibility summit again this year on October 6th, with spillover to October 7th if needed.

Re: [g-a-devel] D-BUS based magnification API

2007-08-30 Thread Willie Walker
I'm not sure of the logistics of a phone in possibility. They ALWAYS are very difficult when there are a large number of people in one room and a few on the phone. In my experience, we can easily spend more time with getting the call set up and "I can't hear you" problems than we do actually bein

Re: [g-a-devel] D-BUS based magnification API

2007-08-30 Thread Willie Walker
On Wed, 2007-08-29 at 15:14 -0300, Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Diógenes wrote: > > * Eliminating the Bonobo dependency from accessibility stuff in GNOME. > > Note that this doesn't necessarily equate to eliminating CORBA. > > I really have no idea how much impact this would cause. I learned only >

Re: [g-a-devel] D-BUS based magnification API

2007-08-28 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Carlos: This is a very timely discussion to have since there are a bunch of thoughts on many people's minds right now. These include the following: * Eliminating the Bonobo dependency from accessibility stuff in GNOME. Note that this doesn't necessarily equate to eliminating CORBA. * Und

Re: [g-a-devel] mag.py and Compiz' Enhanced Zoom

2007-08-20 Thread Willie Walker
> I've more or less finished the Enhanced Zoom plugin for Compiz, and it > is able to do much of what orca already does. Yeah! Do you have a pointer for where I can grab an eZoom to play with on Gutsy? In addition, do you have a user base that you've been working with? I'd like to read the arch

Re: [g-a-devel] any news on the gthread problem?

2007-08-10 Thread Willie Walker
The problem seems to be gone on the latest Gutsy version that I have, so I assume it was fixed. Will On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 22:47 +0800, Li Yuan wrote: > Don't know the logic in Python. They can't call function like > g_thread_init? > > Li > > > 2007/8/10,

Re: [g-a-devel] any news on the gthread problem?

2007-08-10 Thread Willie Walker
There was a time where I think there was an underlying problem in pygtk. If I recall correctly, merely doing an "import gtk" in python and nothing else seemed to elicit this message. As such, there was little a Python application could do to avoid this. Will On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 22:07 +0800, Li

Re: [g-a-devel] pyatspi addition

2007-06-12 Thread Willie Walker
e: > Hello William, > > Am Dienstag, den 12.06.2007, 09:14 -0400 schrieb Willie Walker: > > I say sticking with something that matches given patterns and names > > might be a good thing. How about just pyatspi? Maybe just including it > > with libatspi and not making i

Re: [g-a-devel] pyatspi addition

2007-06-12 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Daniel: > Am Dienstag, den 12.06.2007, 07:42 -0400 schrieb Willie Walker: > > http://live.gnome.org/GAP/PythonATSPI gives more information on these > > bindings. A big difference between pyatspi and pyspi is that pyspi > > requires the AT-SPI cspi layer (potentially to b

Re: [g-a-devel] pyatspi addition

2007-06-12 Thread Willie Walker
Hi: http://live.gnome.org/GAP/PythonATSPI gives more information on these bindings. A big difference between pyatspi and pyspi is that pyspi requires the AT-SPI cspi layer (potentially to be deprecated) whereas pyatspi doesn't. Hope this helps, Will On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 11:55 +0200, Daniel

Re: [g-a-devel] speech recognition and accessibility

2007-06-09 Thread Willie Walker
Hey All: Just a couple comments... I believe Speech2Text is using the Julius (http://julius.sourceforge.jp/en_index.php?q=en/index.html) engine, which seems to be a decent system geared towards dictation tasks. An interesting and related project is VoxForge (http://www.voxforge.org/), which is

Re: [g-a-devel] pyorbit + Java fix

2007-05-23 Thread Willie Walker
Hey Pete: > I see there is some interest on Bugzilla related to some recent > patches for pyorbit that Gustavo Carneiro and I created. The fixes > prevent live Java accessibles from acting and appearing as CORBA null > objects. I'm posting links to the reports on the list for people who > might be

Re: [g-a-devel] ATK and windows

2007-05-03 Thread Willie Walker
> The current AT-SPI architecture with its CORBA dependency cannot be used by > Qt > applications for various technical reasons My understanding is that it's not technical, but more philosophical. Will ___ Gnome-accessibility-devel mailing list Gnom

Re: [g-a-devel] gnome-speech problem

2007-03-06 Thread Willie Walker
Hi: There's some troubleshooting information for gnome-speech here: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech In addition, I'd recommend you migrate to Orca (http://live.gnome.org/Orca) from Gnopernicus since Orca has replaced Gnopernicus as the screen reader for GNOME as of GNOME 2.16. Hope t

[g-a-devel] Orca branched for gnome-2-18

2007-03-05 Thread Willie Walker
Per the instructions at http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner, we have created a new branch of Orca for GNOME 2.18. Note to you wonderful translators who are still working away, I'm not sure of the appropriate svn terminology to describe the revisions at the time I made the branch. Here's t

Re: [g-a-devel] How to indicate disabled state

2007-03-02 Thread Willie Walker
fox paragraph or other element inside a > webpage that is not interactive and compare it with an element that is > interactive but currently grayed. > > Pete > > On 3/2/07, Willie Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thanks! These help. Let's focus on the SENSITIVE

Re: [g-a-devel] How to indicate disabled state

2007-03-02 Thread Willie Walker
Thanks! These help. Let's focus on the SENSITIVE state as a means to do what you want. I verified all these examples using at-poke. > 1) The user tabs to the Close button in the gedit settings dialog. In > this case, we might say the name of the button, the role of the > button, and the mnemon

Re: [g-a-devel] How to indicate disabled state

2007-03-02 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Peter: > So how does Orca distinguish the case of some interactive widget being > disabled from some widget that can never be enabled? Does Orca say > disabled in both cases? Can you enumerate some actual use cases? Concrete examples might make this discussion easier. Thanks! Will >> Of

Re: [g-a-devel] How to indicate disabled state

2007-03-02 Thread Willie Walker
I would prefer to remain with what gail does; I view it as the reference implementation of the AT-SPI. Changing the behavior of an established meaning and implementation to accommodate a difference in a new API for a different platform (IAccessible2) seems odd to me. It also seems like someth

[g-a-devel] [Fwd: Announcing Orca v2.17.92]

2007-02-26 Thread Willie Walker
Orca v2.17.92 is out (release announcement attached). We're getting down to the last throes of GNOME 2.18, and there's a hard code freeze on March 5th, which is one week from today. If you can please test Orca v2.17.92 soon and get us feedback on really really bad stuff (especially bad stuff

Re: [g-a-devel] Are action names localized?

2007-02-14 Thread Willie Walker
I'll vote that action names as they are exposed right now should not be localized. If there is a desire to provide a localized form in the future, new API should be introduced for the purposes of keeping backwards compatibility. Thanks! Will Steve Lee wrote: > My response was more exposition

Re: [g-a-devel] Need Help for Solaris Packages !!!

2007-01-30 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Jatinder: I'm not sure about Solaris 9 and Solaris 10, but you do get the gnome-speech packages with the Solaris Express releases as of at least build 55 (and maybe earlier): http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ Instead of Festival, the FreeTTS speech synthesis package and the gnome-speec

Re: [g-a-devel] Trying to understand STATE_SENSITIVE

2007-01-19 Thread Willie Walker
cation from naming pundits if so desired. ;-) Will On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 11:59 -0500, David Bolter wrote: > Hi Will, I'm glad you are using your expertise here :-) > > FWIW I'm glad Aaron is kicking at the apple cart... we really should > make sure it is solid. > >

Re: [g-a-devel] Trying to understand STATE_SENSITIVE

2007-01-19 Thread Willie Walker
Here's the Javadoc from AccessibleState in the Swing toolkit: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/javax/accessibility/AccessibleState.html#ENABLED If I recall correctly from when I helped define/write the Java Accessibility API almost 10 years ago(!), it corresponds directly to the value set

Re: [g-a-devel] Trying to understand STATE_SENSITIVE

2007-01-19 Thread Willie Walker
> So Orca does not care about STATE_ENABLED? In gok we accept either > sensitive _or_ enabled as worthy of providing access to for our users. > In gok we have to err on that side though... as we are a different > animal (non-aquatic actually). Well...just like you, we tend to look at both. T

Re: [g-a-devel] Trying to understand STATE_SENSITIVE

2007-01-19 Thread Willie Walker
ed for IA2. > > Can we think of concrete examples in GTK or other widget sets. Or are > we trying to model something that may be theoretically possible but is > never actually realised? > > Steve > > On 1/19/07, Willie Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >

Re: [g-a-devel] Trying to understand STATE_SENSITIVE

2007-01-19 Thread Willie Walker
> > I don't believe any of the users of IA2 or ATK or using STATE_SENSITIVE > > to mean anything other than STATE_ENABLED. > > For one, no one understands it. Second, it's not actually useful because > > if somethings greyed out it should not react to user input. As David > > Bolter says, the UI de

Re: [g-a-devel] orca reads parts of the *.po files??

2006-12-07 Thread Willie Walker
Hi: This is a known problem in the unstable (i.e., 2.17.x) releases and has hopefully been fixed for the upcoming 2.17.4 release. Thanks! Will On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 14:22 +, Halim Sahin wrote: > Hello, > I noticed a bug in orca that affects the reading > of some text in the flat reviewmode

Re: [g-a-devel] Bug 362457 - RFE to enable accessibility in unstable releases of GNOME (libgnome)

2006-11-27 Thread Willie Walker
> > Note that accessibility friendly distributions such as Ubuntu, however, > > probably could choose to just always keep accessibility enabled in the > > default schema. > > > > Which would turn accessibility on by default for all users also in > stable releases, right? I think we are still a

Re: [g-a-devel] Bug 362457 - RFE to enable accessibility in unstable releases of GNOME (libgnome)

2006-11-27 Thread Willie Walker
tributions such as Ubuntu, however, probably could choose to just always keep accessibility enabled in the default schema. Will On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 12:55 +0100, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Willie Walker wrote: > > FYI...this took some effort and some good teamwork, but accessibility is

[g-a-devel] Bug 362457 - RFE to enable accessibility in unstable releases of GNOME (libgnome)

2006-11-15 Thread Willie Walker
FYI...this took some effort and some good teamwork, but accessibility is now enabled in GNOME development releases by default. Yeah! http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362457 Will ___ Gnome-accessibility-devel mailing list Gnome-accessibilit

Re: [g-a-devel] AT-SPI: Testing by default and dynamic loading

2006-11-13 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Henrik: See also the following RFE that was opened as a result of the Boston Summit: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362457 It's along the lines of enabling a11y by default, and the GNOME Boston attendees seemed to be in majority opinion that this was a good thing to do for developme

Re: [g-a-devel] Orca/Magnifier Issues

2006-11-07 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Bill: > Does the problem only happen when the mouse/pointer is near the blink > cursor, or is the problem present even when the pointer is not close? It seems to happen regardless of where the pointer is. :-( Will ___ Gnome-accessibility-devel ma

Re: [g-a-devel] Exposing document selection

2006-10-30 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Aaron: On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 10:52 -0400, Aaron Leventhal wrote: > Here is the current plan for exposing selection in documents -- please > let me know if there is a better way: > > 1. Any object which has any part in the document selection will have > STATE_SELECTED, which will allow the co

Re: [g-a-devel] Gnome-speech-0.4.5

2006-09-25 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Luca: The server file you're attempting to run is data for Bonobo activation and is not intended to be run. There's some information on debugging speech on this page: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech What happens when you run freetts-synthesis-driver? Will On Sun, 2006-09-24 at

Re: [g-a-devel] New docs up: "Mozilla Support for Linux/UNIX Assistive Technology Developers"

2006-09-15 Thread Willie Walker
t; Just in case anyone wonders, I'm not at all a bottleneck > keeping better > keyboard navigation out of Firefox. I recently gave > ownership of that > module over to Mozilla, because I'm too busy improving core > accessibility API support to handle much else. That s

Re: [g-a-devel] New docs up: "Mozilla Support for Linux/UNIX Assistive Technology Developers"

2006-09-14 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Aaron: Thanks for sending this on. Look like good work. In the keyboard section, I notice there's a link to the following: http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/keyboard One thing that I think is very important to include is keyboard traversal and caret navigation of the web content its

Re: [g-a-devel] Binary problem

2006-08-24 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Carlos: I'm not sure I understand completely about where things are. Are you able to: 0) Make sure no servers are running 1) Run your new server by hand from one window 2) Run test-speech and connect to your new server If so, it seems like the bonobo activation stuff is at fault. You might

Re: [g-a-devel] Add new driver to gnome-speech

2006-08-24 Thread Willie Walker
SynthesisDriver_Festival:proto0.3 > 3: OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Speech_Dispatcher:proto0.3 > > but when i select the first appears this "Attempting to activate > OAFIID:GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Loquendo:proto0.3. > Server could not be initialized." > > What can i do? > > Best reg

Re: [g-a-devel] [Accessibility-atspi] AT-SPI and D-Bus

2006-08-04 Thread Willie Walker
Hi Olaf: > I am getting the impression that the GNOME accessibility developers do not > care about making it easier to implement interoperability with Qt and KDE, > and would instead like push a libbonobo-based AT-SPI version into the LSB and > make people believe that all full-featured assisti

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