On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Thomas Rast wrote:
> * We should prepare an "ideas page". Last year, Peff made one on
> https://github.com/peff/git/wiki/SoC-2012-Ideas
[Resending the mail, because the last one failed because of inline html content]
One of the proposed ideas last year - '
Florian Achleitner writes:
> For a student one aspect of GSOC is also quite important: It is a cool and
> demanding summer job during the holidays, but it has to ramp down when the
> new
> semester starts.
Thanks for sharing.
I think an important lesson is that mentors and reviewers need to
[corrected David Barr's address]
On Monday 18 February 2013 12:42:39 Jeff King wrote:
> And I do not want to blame the students here (some of whom are on the cc
> list ). They are certainly under no obligation to stick around after
> GSoC ends, and I know they have many demands on their time. But
Shawn Pearce writes:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Jeff King wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 06:23:01PM +0100, Thomas Rast wrote:
>>
>>> * We need an org admin. AFAIK this was done by Peff and Shawn in
>>> tandem last year. Would you do it again?
>>
>> I will do it again, if people fe
Michael Schubert writes:
> On 02/18/2013 06:42 PM, Jeff King wrote:
>>
>> I will do it again, if people feel strongly about Git being a part of
>> it. However, I have gotten a little soured on the GSoC experience. Not
>> because of anything Google has done; it's a good idea, and I think they
>>
On 02/18/2013 06:42 PM, Jeff King wrote:
>
> I will do it again, if people feel strongly about Git being a part of
> it. However, I have gotten a little soured on the GSoC experience. Not
> because of anything Google has done; it's a good idea, and I think they
> do a fine of administering the pro
Christian Couder writes:
> - yes, we could improve mentoring by providing better projects and
> insisting even more on submitting earlier
A few words about my experience, not with GSoC, but with school projects
(I've been proposing a few students in Ensimag to contribute to Git each
year since 2
Hi,
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Shawn Pearce wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Jeff King wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 06:23:01PM +0100, Thomas Rast wrote:
>>
>>> * We need an org admin. AFAIK this was done by Peff and Shawn in
>>> tandem last year. Would you do it again?
>>
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Jeff King wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 06:23:01PM +0100, Thomas Rast wrote:
>
>> * We need an org admin. AFAIK this was done by Peff and Shawn in
>> tandem last year. Would you do it again?
>
> I will do it again, if people feel strongly about Git being a p
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Jens Lehmann wrote:
> Am 18.02.2013 20:34, schrieb Jonathan Nieder:
>> That said, I won't have time to mentor a project on my own. It takes
>> a lot of time (or luck, to get the student that doesn't need
>> mentoring).
>
> That's my experience too. Also I think it
Junio C Hamano writes:
> Thomas Rast writes:
>
>> In defense of Thomas, whose project was mentioned earlier as a prime
>> example of something that is "too big":
>>
>> He's in fact still working on the index-API angle, as part of a thesis
>> at university.
>
> That is probably a good indicator t
Ramkumar Ramachandra writes:
>> I was conflating between people who add "suggested project" and who
>> act as mentors. I do not think mentors are primarily responsible
>> for bad suggested projects.
>
> Why do mentors pick badly sketched-out projects to mentor? They're
> free to pick anything t
Thomas Rast writes:
> In defense of Thomas, whose project was mentioned earlier as a prime
> example of something that is "too big":
>
> He's in fact still working on the index-API angle, as part of a thesis
> at university.
That is probably a good indicator that it was too big for a summer
stud
Jeff King wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 01:15:49AM +0530, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
>
>> Take what I'm about to say with a pinch of salt, because I've never mentored.
>>
>> Mentors often don't provide much technical assistance: students should
>> just post to the list with queries, or ask on #
Ramkumar Ramachandra writes:
> Jonathan Nieder wrote:
>> Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
>>
>>> The short undiplomatic version of that is that our mentors suck (I'm
>>> not pointing fingers, but that's what I infer from failing projects).
>>
>> Hold on a second. I'm not remembering such a grim outco
Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Ramkumar Ramachandra writes:
>
>> Junio C Hamano wrote:
>> ...
>>> I think the real issue is everybody in the GSoC mentor candidate
>>> pool grossly underestimates the scope of suggested projects, does
>>> not encourage students to send early drafts to the public from the
>
Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
>
>> The short undiplomatic version of that is that our mentors suck (I'm
>> not pointing fingers, but that's what I infer from failing projects).
>
> Hold on a second. I'm not remembering such a grim outcome with 100%
> failure from prior summe
Thomas Rast wrote:
> Ramkumar Ramachandra writes:
>
> [...]
On a related note, I don't like our Wiki. It's down half the time,
and it's very badly maintained. I want to write content for our Wiki
from the comfort of my editor, with version control aiding me. And I
can't stan
Ramkumar Ramachandra writes:
> Junio C Hamano wrote:
> ...
>> I think the real issue is everybody in the GSoC mentor candidate
>> pool grossly underestimates the scope of suggested projects, does
>> not encourage students to send early drafts to the public from the
>> beginning, and perhaps overe
Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
> The short undiplomatic version of that is that our mentors suck (I'm
> not pointing fingers, but that's what I infer from failing projects).
Hold on a second. I'm not remembering such a grim outcome with 100%
failure from prior summers of code as you're describing.
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
>> Jonathan Nieder wrote:
>
>>> - cross-compilable git
>>
>> Why, exactly? Git for embedded devices?
>
> My personal motivation would be building Git for Windows while
> spending as little time on Windows as po
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Thomas Rast wrote:
> * Naturally that ideas page is a bit stale now, and three projects
> shorter. Please propose new ideas and refresh or delete the old ones!
> In particular some projects spawned long discussions on the list, and
> the results of those di
Jeff King wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:34:24AM -0800, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
>> Some potential projects (unfiltered --- please take them with a grain
>> of salt):
>> [...]
>> - collaborative notes editing: fix the default notes refspec,
>>make sure the "notes pull" workflow works well
Jeff King writes:
> This is not related to GSoC anymore, but I think handling multiple
> versions is already pretty easy. You can just install to
> "$HOME/local/git/$TAGNAME" or similar, and then symlink the "bin/git"
> binary from there into your PATH as git.$TAGNAME (e.g., git.v1.7.8). Git
> al
Ramkumar Ramachandra writes:
> [corrected David Barr's email address]
>
> Jeff King wrote:
>> And I do not want to blame the students here (some of whom are on the cc
>> list :) ). They are certainly under no obligation to stick around after
>> GSoC ends, and I know they have many demands on thei
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 01:15:49AM +0530, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
> Take what I'm about to say with a pinch of salt, because I've never mentored.
>
> Mentors often don't provide much technical assistance: students should
> just post to the list with queries, or ask on #git-devel. Mentors
> s
Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
> Jonathan Nieder wrote:
>> - cross-compilable git
>
> Why, exactly? Git for embedded devices?
My personal motivation would be building Git for Windows while
spending as little time on Windows as possible. People deploying git
to 32-bit x86, 64-bit x86, and ARM (thi
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 02:14:54AM +0530, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
> > - assimilating the distro builds: "make deb-pkg", "make rpm-pkg",
> >etc along the same lines as the linux kernel's script/package/,
> >to help people get recent git installed when they want it
>
> Overkill. I jus
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:34:24AM -0800, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> Some potential projects (unfiltered --- please take them with a grain
> of salt):
> [...]
> - collaborative notes editing: fix the default notes refspec,
>make sure the "notes pull" workflow works well and is documented
>w
Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Jeff King wrote:
>
>> I will do it again, if people feel strongly about Git being a part of
>> it. However, I have gotten a little soured on the GSoC experience. Not
>> because of anything Google has done; it's a good idea, and I think they
>> do a fine of administe
Ramkumar Ramachandra writes:
[...]
>>> On a related note, I don't like our Wiki. It's down half the time,
>>> and it's very badly maintained. I want to write content for our Wiki
>>> from the comfort of my editor, with version control aiding me. And I
>>> can't stand archaic WikiText.
>>
>> Ag
Am 18.02.2013 20:34, schrieb Jonathan Nieder:
> That said, I won't have time to mentor a project on my own. It takes
> a lot of time (or luck, to get the student that doesn't need
> mentoring).
That's my experience too. Also I think it really makes sense to have a
co-mentor so you can balance the
Am 18.02.2013 20:45, schrieb Thomas Rast:
> Ramkumar Ramachandra writes:
>> What's the harm of including something estimated to take 80% of a
>> summer?
>
> Maybe even less than 80%.
I didn't regret at all having split the summer's topic I mentored
into smaller pieces. That made it easy to post
Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
> Take what I'm about to say with a pinch of salt, because I've never mentored.
>
> Mentors often don't provide much technical assistance: students should
> just post to the list with queries, or ask on #git-devel. Mentors
> serve a different purpose; their primary resp
Ramkumar Ramachandra writes:
>> * Cannot look at the diff in word-diff mode (and apply it normally).
[...]
> Also: Having to figure out, heuristically, when to actually turn it on
> might be a worthwhile feature, especially for services like GitHub.
Actually that's a pretty cute idea of its
Ronan Keryell writes:
>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:46:05 +0100, Thomas Rast
>> said:
>
> Thomas>The actual programming must be done in C using pthreads
> Thomas> for obvious reasons.
>
> Are there obvious reasons OpenMP would not be enough to do the job?
>
> It looks like a tra
Jeff King wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:14:19AM +0530, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
>
>> I'll be frank here. I think the main reason for a student to stick
>> around is to see more of his code hit `master`. I think it is
>> absolutely essential to get students constantly post iteration after
Ramkumar Ramachandra writes:
> [corrected David Barr's email address]
>
> Jeff King wrote:
>> And I do not want to blame the students here (some of whom are on the cc
>> list :) ). They are certainly under no obligation to stick around after
>> GSoC ends, and I know they have many demands on thei
Hi,
Jeff King wrote:
> I will do it again, if people feel strongly about Git being a part of
> it. However, I have gotten a little soured on the GSoC experience. Not
> because of anything Google has done; it's a good idea, and I think they
> do a fine of administering the program. But I have noti
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:14:19AM +0530, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
> I'll be frank here. I think the main reason for a student to stick
> around is to see more of his code hit `master`. I think it is
> absolutely essential to get students constantly post iteration after
> iteration on the lis
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:46:05 +0100, Thomas Rast
> said:
Thomas>The actual programming must be done in C using pthreads
Thomas> for obvious reasons.
Are there obvious reasons OpenMP would not be enough to do the job?
It looks like a trade-off between the code readability &
Thomas Rast wrote:
> 2. Improving the `git add -p` interface
>
> * The terminal/line-based interface becomes a problem if diff hunks
> are too long to fit in your terminal.
I don't know if it's worth coming up with another interface. The best
sol
Thomas Rast writes:
> * We should prepare an "ideas page"[...]
> https://github.com/trast/git/wiki/SoC-2013-Ideas
>From where I'm currently sitting, I won't have the time to mentor this
year. So my two earlier proposals are essentially up for grabs:
1. Improving parallelism in various comm
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 06:23:01PM +0100, Thomas Rast wrote:
> * We need an org admin. AFAIK this was done by Peff and Shawn in
> tandem last year. Would you do it again?
I will do it again, if people feel strongly about Git being a part of
it. However, I have gotten a little soured on the GS
Hi,
Google announced the 2013 incarnation of the Google Summer of Code
program on Feb 11:
http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2013
Git has taken part in previous years, so I figure somebody should get
the ball rolling again! The following items need to be sorted out:
* We
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