First of all, I apologize everyone to be further extending this
thread.
It's unquestionable that Carol step over the line several times over
on personal accusations.
Nonetheless I had to write this because...
On Monday 06 September 2004 13:26, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> Hello Carol,
>
> > i recei
Sven Neumann wrote:
Hi,
Geoffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I must respectfully disagree, as a GIMP user, I am most definitely
interested in the reason for the change. It may be that I am a
developer as well, that prompts me to want to know, but the bottom
line is, any time a change is made that
Hi Geoffrey (and Carol, and yosh),
Quoting Geoffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I must respectfully disagree, as a GIMP user, I am most definitely
> interested in the reason for the change. It may be that I am a
> developer as well, that prompts me to want to know, but the bottom line
> is, any time
Hi,
Alexander Rabtchevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Sven, is it possible (in theory) to have several dialog types in
> GIMP at the same time? OpenOffice under Windows allow using native
> system openfile dialog or its own style dialog. A user can chhose it
> in the preferences.
Almost everyt
Hi,
Quoting Geoffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> This is the essence of the whole issue. The bottom line is, Carol, or
> anyone else for that matter, deserved a real answer.
This is a misconception. People do not *deserve* answers to whatever question
they choose to ask.
There are good ways and bad
Sven, is it possible (in theory) to have several dialog types in GIMP at
the same time? OpenOffice under Windows allow using native system
openfile dialog or its own style dialog. A user can chhose it in the
preferences.
If anybody is interested, this could solve this problem at all. One way
i
Hi,
Geoffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This is the essence of the whole issue. The bottom line is, Carol, or
> anyone else for that matter, deserved a real answer.
No, she didn't. Carol was asking a FAQ. The topic had been discussed
over and over again and these discussions as well as docum
Hi,
Geoffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I must respectfully disagree, as a GIMP user, I am most definitely
> interested in the reason for the change. It may be that I am a
> developer as well, that prompts me to want to know, but the bottom
> line is, any time a change is made that seems to b
Sven Neumann wrote:
Hi,
Manish Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
And it is, when it boils down to it, a cop out fluff answer. Which is
Carol's point, that it was a non-answer, and that she expected a better
answer, more from a technical perspective.
Sure. We all understood this already. It doesn'
Manish Singh wrote:
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:55:59PM +0200, David Neary wrote:
Getting something to the stage "where my grandmother would use
it" is a proverbial way of describing making technology
accessible to a larger public.
I am sure this was the sense in which Luis was talking when he
said
Thanks,
Really, I'm an outsider in gtk/gnome topic.
I just like gimp, and I'm afraid a little bit of
gimp starts to leave bazaar concept as seen
at gnome.
I realized that old fileselector is not too perfect, so
I used filemanager's drag and drop to open files.
(what is nonsense to open a new
Hi,
Aewyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm not interested in gnome any way,
> I'm not interested in arguing anyone about file
> selectors at appropriate gtk lists.
> I think this is not gnome's businnes, it is gimp's businnes.
> If gnome's fileselector is bad, gimp should not.
> If gnome wil
Hi,
I'm not interested in gnome any way,
I'm not interested in arguing anyone about file
selectors at appropriate gtk lists.
I think this is not gnome's businnes, it is gimp's businnes.
If gnome's fileselector is bad, gimp should not.
If gnome will be a toy of idiots, gimp should not.
And I
Hi,
Manish Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> And it is, when it boils down to it, a cop out fluff answer. Which is
> Carol's point, that it was a non-answer, and that she expected a better
> answer, more from a technical perspective.
Sure. We all understood this already. It doesn't change the
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:55:59PM +0200, David Neary wrote:
> Getting something to the stage "where my grandmother would use
> it" is a proverbial way of describing making technology
> accessible to a larger public.
>
> I am sure this was the sense in which Luis was talking when he
> said he want
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 06:53:20PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote:
> Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > i guess it is time to decide what behavior we are to expect from the
> > corporate funded developers and the funded by the people developers.
> >
> > gimp is still gnu, right?
>
> Yes, altho
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 02:33:50PM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
>
> > please respect the human beings who have been volunteering.
> >
> > who was/is in charge of luis?
>
> I do not know.
>
> Do not bother sending me more e-mail, I have added you to my spam
> assassin.
>
what we see here is th
> please respect the human beings who have been volunteering.
>
> who was/is in charge of luis?
I do not know.
Do not bother sending me more e-mail, I have added you to my spam
assassin.
Miguel
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On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 02:04:07PM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
>
> So you are barking at the wrong tree.
>
dogs bark. working dogs bark maybe. i am not a dog. i am an energetic
volunteer who did not get to drink from kegs of lambic.
please respect the human beings who have been volunteering
> when i look for luis (you provided email lately, i looked right after i
> barely managed to correct my homeless situation right after guadec) i
> was told he was not available. in the real world, you go to the boss.
> this is you? you are the boss at Ximian? or who is responsible for
I am no
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 12:34:22PM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
>
> Your attempt at demonizing me is a bit weak.
>
i do not need to do this. i have google and your coorespondence with me
only. if this is happening, it was not my goal. my goal is to make
sure that people attending a developer
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Hello,
> or perhaps there can be a list of what makes miguel different than me
> and perhaps other volunteers. there are some differences. miguel does
> not work with gpl or gnu anymore, he works with microsoft design.
I work on Mono, which is open source/free software code, licensed under
the
May this be my last mail about this on the mailinglist.
Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> simon budig, here is the information for you:
> On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 12:00:27PM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> >For an introduction to this discussion, please see:
> >
> >
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 11:21:24AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote:
> Carol,
>
> if you want to "discuss" this any further, move it to a different
> channel. It doesn't belong to any of the GIMP mailing-lists.
>
where are the people who made the donations?
i am actually treating luis and miguel the sa
simon budig, here is the information for you:
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 12:00:27PM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> Hello,
>
>For an introduction to this discussion, please see:
>
> http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/tmp/carol
>
>the archives of email I have received from this annoyi
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Khiraly wrote:
> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 02:47:43 +0200
> From: Khiraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors
>
> Hi!
>
> I have few ideas to improve the poor 2.1 fileselector.
> (yes, it
Carol,
if you want to "discuss" this any further, move it to a different
channel. It doesn't belong to any of the GIMP mailing-lists.
Sven
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Hi,
Quoting Geoffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I would agree to some extent, although as a long time user of GIMP, I
> think this list deserves to know the reason for the change. I've not
> seen it pass the list as of yet.
Seth Nickell was the owner of the file chooser design. Seth now works at Re
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 10:39:12AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote:
>
> This discussion doesn't belong here. I told people what to do if you
> want to see the dialog improved. End of discussion!
>
what i cut from this is developer issues.
what has not been discussed is the stupid answer that i got.
i
Hi,
Khiraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have few ideas to improve the poor 2.1 fileselector.
> (yes, its me who came up already with one alternative)
>
> Which is the apropriate forum where can I write this ideas?
Bugzilla has many good ideas about how to improve the file
chooser. Did you e
Hi,
Geoffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I would counter that Luis' answer was neither casual nor
> illustrative. A question was asked and either a insulting inaccurate
> answer was provide, or worse, a poor change in the toolkit was made
> for entirely the wrong reason.
I don't understand wha
Hi!
I have few ideas to improve the poor 2.1 fileselector.
(yes, its me who came up already with one alternative)
Which is the apropriate forum where can I write this ideas?
Or its decided to not change?
Best regards,
Khiraly
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Geoffrey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Carol Spears wrote:
> >On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:28:55PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote:
> >
> >>You have yet to explain what is so bad to design a file selector so that
> >>Luis' mother can use it. I think this is a great goal (although the GTK+
> >>developers did
Carol Spears wrote:
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:28:55PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote:
You have yet to explain what is so bad to design a file selector so that
Luis' mother can use it. I think this is a great goal (although the GTK+
developers did overshot a bit, hampering the usability for
computer-savv
Simon Budig wrote:
Hi Carol.
Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[...] i really am responsible to a
whole bunch of people who contributed time and money to send me to a
developer meeting in which i was told by luis, representing ximian, that
the changes were made for his mom. for shame.
I sta
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:28:55PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote:
>
> You have yet to explain what is so bad to design a file selector so that
> Luis' mother can use it. I think this is a great goal (although the GTK+
> developers did overshot a bit, hampering the usability for
> computer-savvy people)
Hi,
Simon Budig wrote:
> Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 07:43:29PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote:
> > > I start to regret to have supported your attendance to Guadec.
> > you were the decision maker i take it?
>
> I was one of many people who wanted to meet you at
Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 07:43:29PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote:
> > Hi Carol.
> >
> > Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > [...] i really am responsible to a
> > > whole bunch of people who contributed time and money to send me to a
> > > developer m
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 07:43:29PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote:
> Hi Carol.
>
> Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > [...] i really am responsible to a
> > whole bunch of people who contributed time and money to send me to a
> > developer meeting in which i was told by luis, representing ximia
Manish Singh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > And you'd do yourself and your credibility a favor if you'd treat
> > personal emails with respect and not publish them on mailinglists.
>
> Actually, they are public emails, but miguel is not subscribed to this
> list so they are trapped in the moderati
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 07:43:29PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote:
> And you'd do yourself and your credibility a favor if you'd treat
> personal emails with respect and not publish them on mailinglists.
Actually, they are public emails, but miguel is not subscribed to this
list so they are trapped in t
Hi Carol.
Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> [...] i really am responsible to a
> whole bunch of people who contributed time and money to send me to a
> developer meeting in which i was told by luis, representing ximian, that
> the changes were made for his mom. for shame.
I start to regr
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 12:52:44PM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> Carol,
>
>My guess is that Luis was trying to be polite to you, but I already
> explained to you on the previous mail who was responsible for the
> changes to the selector, and where ultimately does the responsibility
> lie.
1) i went to a "developers conference". my trip to this conference was
funded by a foundation and therefore the donations of people who are
interested in gimp and gimp tool kit development.
2) several people on the list of people who are responsible for these
changes pointed me to luis.
hello miguel,
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 12:32:37AM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Carol has decided that there is a conspiracy from someone against
> the Gimp or the toolkit or Unix, or something else. It is not clear
> from her paranoid e-mails. I have decided not to follow up to
nice to hear from you Patrick,
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 09:39:52PM -0400, BandiPat wrote:
> As much as I agree with you on the new file selectors and disappointment
> that the Gimp developers can't change them, I'm afraid this is the
> state of Gnome/GTK+ presently. If you haven't seen Gnome lat
On Saturday 04 September 2004 08:18 pm, Carol Spears wrote:
> hello back,
>
> On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 01:48:06AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote:
> > Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > now, to the new file selector. there is a huge difference
> > > between the file selector in gimp-2.0 and t
hello back,
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 01:48:06AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote:
> Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > now, to the new file selector. there is a huge difference between the
> > file selector in gimp-2.0 and the file selector in gimp-2.1. the newer
> > of the two is an invalid
Hi,
Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> now, to the new file selector. there is a huge difference between the
> file selector in gimp-2.0 and the file selector in gimp-2.1. the newer
> of the two is an invalid (sickly person) compared to its proud
> ancestors. i have tried to make a tut
hi,
i have been using TheGIMP since 1998, version 1.0.2 was my first.
there have been several new users of the gimp in the time between then
and now. many many of these new users come from a different operating
system and a different way of working.
i would like to suggest that if you would lik
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