Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-09-07 Thread Ilya Zakharevich
On 2009-09-06, photocomix wrote: > >> Zoom tool only modifies the view... is that non destructive enough? >>Not enough. (Did you mean that you do not care about what >>magnification an image is shown at?) > The point was not if you (or somebody else) care about "magnification an > image is show

[Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-09-06 Thread photocomix
> Zoom tool only modifies the view... is that non destructive enough? >Not enough. (Did you mean that you do not care about what >magnification an image is shown at?) The point was not if you (or somebody else) care about "magnification an image is shown ": the point is that operation is abs

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-09-06 Thread Ilya Zakharevich
On 2009-09-05, Olivier Lecarme wrote: > It seems that the whole preceding thread is focused on the wrong point. > The initial writers want a "non-tool" because they want to click on the > image window without doing anything. But why do they want to click it? > Certainly only for giving it the focu

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-09-06 Thread Ilya Zakharevich
On 2009-09-04, GSR - FR wrote: >> The first thing I do when entering GIMP is switching to the eyepicker >> (or is is dropper? ;-) tool. But it is not non-destructive enough; >> and it is useless as a default tool. > Zoom tool only modifies the view... is that non destructive enough? Not enough.

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-09-06 Thread Ilya Zakharevich
On 2009-09-06, David Gowers <00a...@gmail.com> wrote: > However, when the program explicitly states its purpose > http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/GIMP_UI_Redesign#product_vision > > You will need to explain how your request is relevant to that vision > in order to have any likelihood of having your

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-09-05 Thread David Gowers
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Ilya Zakharevich wrote: > Why should *A USER* care how some #...@% *named* a tool? > > Why should *A USER* care what *another* user supposes is "a correct > tool for the job"? (Assume that the first user has considered the > suggestion, appreciated the suggestion,

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-09-05 Thread Ilya Zakharevich
On 2009-09-04, Chris Mohler wrote: I find it annoying that there appears to be no selection tool that turns off all tools. >>> I am confused by this feature request. >>> The GIMP is an image editing package not an image display package. >> Wrong.  GIMP is a package for whatever the *US

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-09-04 Thread Olivier Lecarme
It seems that the whole preceding thread is focused on the wrong point. The initial writers want a "non-tool" because they want to click on the image window without doing anything. But why do they want to click it? Certainly only for giving it the focus. That means that they are doing it the wrong

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-09-04 Thread GSR - FR
Hi, nospam-ab...@ilyaz.org (2009-09-04 at 0627.39 +): > The first thing I do when entering GIMP is switching to the eyepicker > (or is is dropper? ;-) tool. But it is not non-destructive enough; > and it is useless as a default tool. Zoom tool only modifies the view... is that non destructive

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-09-04 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 09/04/2009 08:27 AM, Ilya Zakharevich wrote: > On 2009-08-28, Greg Chapman wrote: >>> I find it annoying that there >>> appears to be no selection tool that turns off all tools. > >> I am confused by this feature request. > >> The GIMP is an image editing package not an image display package

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-09-04 Thread Jon Cosby
On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 21:16 +0100, Greg Chapman wrote: > On 04 Sep 09 07:27 Ilya Zakharevich said: > > > The GIMP is an image editing package not an image display package. > > > > Wrong. GIMP is a package for whatever the *USER* decides it is > > going to use GIMP for. And an absence of a conv

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-09-04 Thread Greg Chapman
On 04 Sep 09 07:27 Ilya Zakharevich said: > > The GIMP is an image editing package not an image display package. > > Wrong. GIMP is a package for whatever the *USER* decides it is > going to use GIMP for. And an absence of a convenient > non-destructive tool is a major misfeature. Well, tha

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-09-04 Thread Chris Mohler
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Ilya Zakharevich wrote: > On 2009-08-28, Greg Chapman wrote: >>> I find it annoying that there >>> appears to be no selection tool that turns off all tools. > >> I am confused by this feature request. > >> The GIMP is an image editing package not an image display pa

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-09-04 Thread Ilya Zakharevich
On 2009-08-28, Greg Chapman wrote: >> I find it annoying that there >> appears to be no selection tool that turns off all tools. > I am confused by this feature request. > The GIMP is an image editing package not an image display package. Wrong. GIMP is a package for whatever the *USER* deci

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-08-29 Thread zed
Martin Nordholts wrote: > On 08/29/2009 12:58 AM, zed wrote: > > As a very new user of the Gimp, I find it annoying that there appears to > > be no selection tool that turns off all tools. I am thinking of a > > package like Inscape, where the default is that when loaded no tool is > > selected

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-08-28 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 08/29/2009 12:58 AM, zed wrote: > As a very new user of the Gimp, I find it annoying that there appears to be > no selection tool that turns off all tools. I am thinking of a package like > Inscape, where the default is that when loaded no tool is selected and one > has to make a selection befo

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-08-28 Thread phanisvara das
On Saturday 29 August 2009 08:15:11 zed wrote: > That, together with the fact that at the start a tool is > selected and I click on the image and wonder what has happened and how I > change it.. i had the same "problem" when i started using gimp. not used to the shape and meaning of pointers, i

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-08-28 Thread zed
Greg Chapman wrote: > Hi Zed, > > On 28 Aug 09 23:58 zed said: > > I find it annoying that there appears to be no selection tool that turns > > off all tools. > [snipped but read and absorbed] > > Effectively, this is the same question that new users often ask, "How do I > stop the pointer ch

Re: [Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-08-28 Thread Greg Chapman
Hi Zed, On 28 Aug 09 23:58 zed said: > I find it annoying that there > appears to be no selection tool that turns off all tools. I am confused by this feature request. The GIMP is an image editing package not an image display package. Therefore, by definition, you will always need some tool t

[Gimp-user] A "non-tool" selection...

2009-08-28 Thread zed
As a very new user of the Gimp, I find it annoying that there appears to be no selection tool that turns off all tools. I am thinking of a package like Inscape, where the default is that when loaded no tool is selected and one has to make a selection before anything happens. Is there such a tool