Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Fighting bit rot

2013-01-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:47:07 + (UTC) Grant Edwards wrote: > > ZFS is designed to deal with this problem by checksumming fs blocks > > continually; it does this at the filesystem level, not at the disk > > firmware level. > > I don't understand. If you're worried about media failure, what g

Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

2013-01-09 Thread Dale
Raffaele BELARDI wrote: > On 01/07/2013 08:35 AM, Dale wrote: >> As I understand it, /dev/hdxx is no longer >> supported on current kernels. All hard drives are /dev/sdxx and optical >> drives are /dev/sr0(1,2,3,4 etc). > Not true, I'm using /dev/hd for all my PATA HD and DVD drives and > /dev/sd

Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

2013-01-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 03:01:57 -0600 Dale wrote: > Since this is > depreciated, which generally means no longer maintained The word you want is "deprecated". "depreciated" is something else entirely, it's what your employer does to the book value of your company car over 5 years to get the valu

Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

2013-01-09 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 03:01:57 -0600 > Dale wrote: > >> Since this is >> depreciated, which generally means no longer maintained > > > The word you want is "deprecated". > > "depreciated" is something else entirely, it's what your employer does > to the book value of your com

Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

2013-01-09 Thread Raffaele BELARDI
On 01/09/2013 10:01 AM, Dale wrote: > < > ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support **(DEPRECATED)** > Yes, I know it is unmaintained and deprecated, I'm looking for a rational reason to move to the SATA driver when the PATA one works well with my old drives. The PATA drives are probably going to die before the

Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

2013-01-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 03:59:30 -0600 Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 03:01:57 -0600 > > Dale wrote: > > > >> Since this is > >> depreciated, which generally means no longer maintained > > > > > > The word you want is "deprecated". > > > > "depreciated" is something else

Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

2013-01-09 Thread Dale
Raffaele BELARDI wrote: > On 01/09/2013 10:01 AM, Dale wrote: >> < > ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support **(DEPRECATED)** >> > Yes, I know it is unmaintained and deprecated, I'm looking for a > rational reason to move to the SATA driver when the PATA one works well > with my old drives. The PATA drives are p

[gentoo-user] Questions about systemd logging

2013-01-09 Thread Robin Atwood
I have temporarily shelved my problem with mounting since my work-around seems adequate. But I have some questions about logging. Journald works fine but what am I supposed to see on the main console? All I can see is a few kernel messages which cease after the lvm service completes. There are n

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Fighting bit rot

2013-01-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-01-09, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:47:07 + (UTC) > The data on a medium can corrupt, and it can corrupt silently for a > long time. And I'm saying I've never seen that happen. So you're saying that the data on a medium can corrupt without being detected by the block

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Fighting bit rot

2013-01-09 Thread walt
On 01/08/2013 08:40 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Dienstag, 8. Januar 2013, 19:11:19 schrieb James: Volker Armin Hemmann googlemail.com> writes: Comments/guidance on ZFS vs BTFRS are welcome. I never used ZFS; googling suggests lots of disdain for ZFS ? Maybe someone knows a good articl

[gentoo-user] Re: LiveDVD with ZFS?

2013-01-09 Thread James
Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes: > Are you not maybe making this more complicated than it needs to be? This comes from too many years of education, statistically. Now that I''m an independent consultant, we call this sort of thing BILLABLE HOURS..! > The link is for The

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Fighting bit rot

2013-01-09 Thread Holger Hoffstaette
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:48:33 +, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2013-01-09, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:47:07 + (UTC) > >> The data on a medium can corrupt, and it can corrupt silently for a long >> time. > > And I'm saying I've never seen that happen. Well, that's the poin

Re: [gentoo-user] Any UPS recommendations?

2013-01-09 Thread Daniel Frey
On 01/08/2013 11:24 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > Thanks to you, and others, for all the info. And thanks for the > apcupsd ebuild. BTW, what does mailx do in the ebuild? Send an email > about an outage? > Yes, it sends email notifications. I currently have ssmtp set up to send mail to my gmail a

Re: [gentoo-user] Any UPS recommendations?

2013-01-09 Thread Dale
Walter Dnes wrote: > I think my UPS is dying. Time to get a new one. It's been years, so > there may be new tech out there I don't know about. My normal usage is > * 1 LCD monitor 24" > * 1 (sometimes 2) "desktop" PCs connected to the monitor > * 1 ADSL router/modem > > What brand and VA rat

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Fighting bit rot

2013-01-09 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Jan 9, 2013 10:41 PM, "Holger Hoffstaette" < holger.hoffstae...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:48:33 +, Grant Edwards wrote: > > > On 2013-01-09, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:47:07 + (UTC) > > > >> The data on a medium can corrupt, and it can corrup

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Fighting bit rot

2013-01-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-01-09, Holger Hoffstaette wrote: > On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:48:33 +, Grant Edwards wrote: > >> On 2013-01-09, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:47:07 + (UTC) >> >>> The data on a medium can corrupt, and it can corrupt silently for a long >>> time. >> >> And I'm saying

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about systemd logging

2013-01-09 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Robin Atwood wrote: > I have temporarily shelved my problem with mounting since my work-around > seems adequate. But I have some questions about logging. Journald works fine > but what am I supposed to see on the main console? What do you mean by "main console"? tt

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Fighting bit rot

2013-01-09 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2013, 07:17:25 schrieb walt: > On 01/08/2013 08:40 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > Am Dienstag, 8. Januar 2013, 19:11:19 schrieb James: > >> Volker Armin Hemmann googlemail.com> writes: > >> > >> Comments/guidance on ZFS vs BTFRS are welcome. I never used ZFS; googling

Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

2013-01-09 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2013, 11:32:03 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 03:01:57 -0600 > > Dale wrote: > > Since this is > > depreciated, which generally means no longer maintained > > > > The word you want is "deprecated". > > "depreciated" is something else entirely, it's what yo

Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

2013-01-09 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2013, 10:57:09 schrieb Raffaele BELARDI: > On 01/09/2013 10:01 AM, Dale wrote: > > < > ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support **(DEPRECATED)** > > Yes, I know it is unmaintained and deprecated, I'm looking for a > rational reason to move to the SATA driver when the PATA one works well >

Re: [gentoo-user] Any UPS recommendations?

2013-01-09 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 07:47:13AM -0800, Daniel Frey wrote > On 01/08/2013 11:24 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > Thanks to you, and others, for all the info. And thanks for the > > apcupsd ebuild. BTW, what does mailx do in the ebuild? Send an email > > about an outage? > > > > Yes, it sends ema

Re: [gentoo-user] Any UPS recommendations?

2013-01-09 Thread Thanasis
on 01/09/2013 09:15 PM Walter Dnes wrote the following: > apcupsd pulls in virtual/mailx ... virtual/mailx is needed as a program to send mail via shell scripts. ssmtp (like postfix) is used as an MTA to get mail off the system to a Mailhub.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LiveDVD with ZFS?

2013-01-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 15:29:08 + (UTC) James wrote: > > The link is for The End of the World edition - AFAIK it's > > dual-purpose and can do installs. Surely you just find and click > > the big Install button and let it do what it needs to do? > > I went to bed during the download, so later

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Fighting bit rot

2013-01-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:48:33 + (UTC) Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2013-01-09, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:47:07 + (UTC) > > > The data on a medium can corrupt, and it can corrupt silently for a > > long time. > > And I'm saying I've never seen that happen. > > So you're

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Fighting bit rot

2013-01-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:48:33 + (UTC) Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2013-01-09, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:47:07 + (UTC) > > > The data on a medium can corrupt, and it can corrupt silently for a > > long time. > > And I'm saying I've never seen that happen. > > So you're

Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

2013-01-09 Thread felix
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 11:32:03AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 03:01:57 -0600 > Dale wrote: > > > Since this is > > depreciated, which generally means no longer maintained > > > > The word you want is "deprecated". > > "depreciated" is something else entirely, it's what