Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:16 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 30/07/12 07:28, Michael Mol wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Nikos Chantziaras >> wrote: >>> >>> On 30/07/12 06:08, Michael Mol wrote: On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >

[gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread James
> > When you have full load, the CPU won't clock down. So nothing saved there. > When you're considering full load, the TDP becomes a useful estimation > of relative power consumption between different processors. > > If you don't have full load, the clock-down doesn't save much compared to >

[gentoo-user] x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Alecks Gates
After a recent update to binutils 2.22 I started to look into the x32 ABI support. It looks very interesting and I am thinking about installing it via the experimental stage3[1], but I have some questions to ask first. What are the benefits and drawbacks of using the x32 ABI, other than the obvio

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Montag, 30. Juli 2012, 10:08:24 schrieb Michael Mol: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:16 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > On 30/07/12 07:28, Michael Mol wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Nikos Chantziaras > >> > >> wrote: > >>> On 30/07/12 06:08, Michael Mol wrote: > On Sun, Jul 2

Re: [gentoo-user] x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:40:50 -0500 Alecks Gates wrote: > After a recent update to binutils 2.22 I started to look into the x32 > ABI support. It looks very interesting and I am thinking about > installing it via the experimental stage3[1], but I have some > questions to ask first. > > What are

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:36 PM, James wrote: > > >> > When you have full load, the CPU won't clock down. So nothing saved there. > >> When you're considering full load, the TDP becomes a useful estimation >> of relative power consumption between different processors. > >> > If you don't have fu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:36 AM, James wrote: > > Amp meters are less than $50 USD. They clamp around the > power cord, or any wires inside the computer you can fit > the "clamp" around. > > hth, > James > > I haven't read this thread but I do use one of these which costs less than $20: http:/

Re: [gentoo-user] x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Montag, 30. Juli 2012, 11:40:50 schrieb Alecks Gates: > After a recent update to binutils 2.22 I started to look into the x32 > ABI support. It looks very interesting and I am thinking about > installing it via the experimental stage3[1], but I have some > questions to ask first. > > What are

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:36 AM, James wrote: > >> >> Amp meters are less than $50 USD. They clamp around the >> power cord, or any wires inside the computer you can fit >> the "clamp" around. > > >> >> hth, >> James >> >> > I haven't read t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> MB power? >> Hard drive power? >> Hard disk power >> GPU power? >> DRAM power? >> >> The 5 above can easily become the dominant power hogs. >> >> I use an Intel i7 980X 6-core hyper-t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 30.07.2012 19:14, schrieb Michael Mol: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:36 AM, James wrote: >> >>> >>> Amp meters are less than $50 USD. They clamp around the >>> power cord, or any wires inside the computer you can fit >>> the "clamp" around.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Michael Hampicke wrote: >> Spinning disks consume surprisingly little power once they're up to >> speed. My GPU, by comparison, doesn't seem to reduce heat generation >> very much when relatively idle. >> Idle on a GPU (in Linux) might be more when the screen is

[gentoo-user] Can't connect to router with 3 different interfaces

2012-07-30 Thread Grant
I have 2 different USB wireless network adapters and an internal PCIe adapter and none will connect to a Jazztel router I need to connect to on the road. I've tried several different kernels. I've tried restarting the router and I've verified that the WEP password is correct by logging into the r

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't connect to router with 3 different interfaces

2012-07-30 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Grant wrote: > I have 2 different USB wireless network adapters and an internal PCIe > adapter and none will connect to a Jazztel router I need to connect to > on the road. I've tried several different kernels. I've tried > restarting the router and I've verified

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't connect to router with 3 different interfaces

2012-07-30 Thread Grant
>> I have 2 different USB wireless network adapters and an internal PCIe >> adapter and none will connect to a Jazztel router I need to connect to >> on the road. I've tried several different kernels. I've tried >> restarting the router and I've verified that the WEP password is >> correct by log

Re: [gentoo-user] x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:40:50AM -0500, Alecks Gates wrote > What are the benefits and drawbacks of using the x32 ABI, other than > the obvious "experimental" cautions? I currently do not have a > computer with more than 4GB of ram, and one only has 2GB (used as a > media center). In theory,

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't connect to router with 3 different interfaces

2012-07-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:23:24 -0700 Grant wrote: > >> I have 2 different USB wireless network adapters and an internal > >> PCIe adapter and none will connect to a Jazztel router I need to > >> connect to on the road. I've tried several different kernels. > >> I've tried restarting the router and

[gentoo-user] Re: x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 30/07/12 23:42, Walter Dnes wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:40:50AM -0500, Alecks Gates wrote What are the benefits and drawbacks of using the x32 ABI, other than the obvious "experimental" cautions? I currently do not have a computer with more than 4GB of ram, and one only has 2GB (used

[gentoo-user] Re: x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 30/07/12 19:40, Alecks Gates wrote: What are the benefits and drawbacks of using the x32 ABI Benefits: An x32 application is limited to a 32-bit address range but runs in 64-bit CPU mode. The intent is to not waste any memory, but be as fast as any other 64-bit application. Drawbacks: D

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 30/07/12 19:40, Alecks Gates wrote: >> >> What are the benefits and drawbacks of using the x32 ABI > > > Benefits: An x32 application is limited to a 32-bit address range but runs > in 64-bit CPU mode. The intent is to not waste any

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Alecks Gates
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> On 30/07/12 19:40, Alecks Gates wrote: >>> >>> What are the benefits and drawbacks of using the x32 ABI >> >> >> Benefits: An x32 application is limited to a 32-bit address range b

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 05:47:22AM +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote > That's a problem with x86, not x32. x32 is a 64-bit mode. It's a > new ABI :-) The original poster asked... > What are the benefits and drawbacks of using the x32 ABI, other > than the obvious "experimental" cautions? I cur

[gentoo-user] Re: x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 31/07/12 07:16, Alecks Gates wrote: I have just started the process of installing Gentoo from scratch on on my 2GB RAM machine, and am going to fully compare the two, probably using Phoronix Test Suite unless someone here can give me some other recommendations -- I don't do benchmarking and I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 05:47:22AM +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote > >> That's a problem with x86, not x32. x32 is a 64-bit mode. It's a >> new ABI :-) > > The original poster asked... > >> What are the benefits and drawbacks of using the x