Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

Den 07. des. 2011 01:15, skrev Indi: On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 12:40:01AM +0100, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2011-12-06, ny6...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 11:15:31AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 05:54:22 -0500, LinuxIsOne wrote: But I don't know why the creators of

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge ignoring -v switch

On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 08:58:23 +, Mick wrote: > On Sunday 04 Dec 2011 20:49:55 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 15:18:40 +, Mick wrote: > > > But then if there were say 5 ebuilds running in parallel and all > > > their output printed in the same terminal, it would be almightily >

Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin

Michael, after I configured postscreen, how do I test it? I tried doing out of turn talking but it didn't seem to block me... Rgds,

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

On 6 December 2011, at 23:25, Grant Edwards wrote: > ... > The Ubuntu documentation seems to be mainly user-forum threads full of > wrong answers posted by people who didn't understand the question. I tried Ubuntu, hated this *so* much. I'm sure all the respondents were just trying to be helpful

[gentoo-user] Re: emerge ignoring -v switch

On 12/07/2011 11:14 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 08:58:23 +, Mick wrote: On Sunday 04 Dec 2011 20:49:55 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 15:18:40 +, Mick wrote: But then if there were say 5 ebuilds running in parallel and all their output printed in the same term

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 10:09:27 +0100 Håkon Alstadheim wrote: > > They really are. When you have great documentaion, a shell, and a > > keyboard that *is* user-friendly! ;)! > > > > It tells you something that quite often when I google for > "some-problem-description" and debian/ubuntu/suse/wind

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge ignoring -v switch

On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:26:12 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > Not only did I mean to finish it, I thought I had. Using --jobs>1 sets > > the quiet-build flag > > It also sets it if you don't use more than 1 job. As another poster > (Hinnerk) already mentioned, the only way to get the old b

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 12:32:22 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > The fellow who sits two desks away from me reckons he's lost count of > the number of times Google finds the exact answer he's looking for in a > post to gentoo-user :-) Wouldn't it be quicker to just ask you? ;-) -- Neil Bothwick If y

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone using libreoffice 3.5.0.0 yet?

walt wrote, at 12/07/2011 02:40 AM: > On 12/05/2011 09:41 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: >> >> Looks like the ebuild has been updated and now has -gtk3 by default. :) thank you for the update > Yes, I just finished rebuilding it and all the painting problems are gone. > No hacking needed :) > > Just be

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge ignoring -v switch

On Dec 7, 2011 6:00 PM, "Neil Bothwick" wrote: > > On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:26:12 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > > > Not only did I mean to finish it, I thought I had. Using --jobs>1 sets > > > the quiet-build flag > > > > It also sets it if you don't use more than 1 job. As another poster > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge ignoring -v switch

Pandu Poluan wrote: On Dec 7, 2011 6:00 PM, "Neil Bothwick" > wrote: > > On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:26:12 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > > > Not only did I mean to finish it, I thought I had. Using --jobs>1 sets > > > the quiet-build flag > > > > It also sets it i

[gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

On 2011-12-07, Stroller wrote: > > On 6 December 2011, at 23:25, Grant Edwards wrote: >> ... >> The Ubuntu documentation seems to be mainly user-forum threads full of >> wrong answers posted by people who didn't understand the question. > > I tried Ubuntu, hated this *so* much. > > I'm sure all th

Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin

> Michael, after I configured postscreen, how do I test it? > > I tried doing out of turn talking but it didn't seem to block me... Are you getting lines like this in your mail log: Dec 6 03:13:46 mx1 postfix/postscreen[2810]: CONNECT from ... - Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

Grant Edwards wrote: On 2011-12-07, Stroller wrote: On 6 December 2011, at 23:25, Grant Edwards wrote: ... The Ubuntu documentation seems to be mainly user-forum threads full of wrong answers posted by people who didn't understand the question. I tried Ubuntu, hated this *so* much. I'm sure

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge ignoring -v switch

On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 06:13:22PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: > Indeed, that change gave me a 'wtf moment' for awhile. I used --jobs, and > the one time I purposefully emerge using single job to debug a failure... > the output is still MIA. Luckily it wasn't an emergency so I still had the > mind

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge ignoring -v switch

On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 17:13:56 +0100, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > My PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES contains the item "log". Thusly for each > package I emerge I get a file in /var/log/portage wuth the compile > output as content. That setting controls the output of the elog messages. The destination of the

Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin

On 12/06/11 19:57, Grant wrote: >> That will disable postgrey, but isn't enough to enable postscreen. There >> are a couple of daemons you have to enable in master.cf (steps 2 through 6): >> >> http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html#enable >> >> That README refers to lines that are commente

Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin

On 12/06/11 20:02, Grant wrote: > > Aye aye. Should I make the change like this: > > #smtps inet n - n - - smtpd > # -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes > submission inet n - n - - smtpd > -o smtpd_tls_security_level=encrypt > # -o sm

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

On Dec 7, 2011 11:02 PM, "Grant Edwards" wrote: > > On 2011-12-07, Stroller wrote: > > > > On 6 December 2011, at 23:25, Grant Edwards wrote: > >> ... > >> The Ubuntu documentation seems to be mainly user-forum threads full of > >> wrong answers posted by people who didn't understand the question

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

On Dec 7, 2011 11:12 PM, "Dale" wrote: > > Grant Edwards wrote: >> >> On 2011-12-07, Stroller wrote: >>> >>> On 6 December 2011, at 23:25, Grant Edwards wrote: ... The Ubuntu documentation seems to be mainly user-forum threads full of wrong answers posted by people who didn't

Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin

On Dec 7, 2011 11:05 PM, "Grant" wrote: > > > Michael, after I configured postscreen, how do I test it? > > > > I tried doing out of turn talking but it didn't seem to block me... > > Are you getting lines like this in your mail log: > > Dec 6 03:13:46 mx1 postfix/postscreen[2810]: CONNECT from .

Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin

>>> That will disable postgrey, but isn't enough to enable postscreen. There >>> are a couple of daemons you have to enable in master.cf (steps 2 through 6): >>> >>>  http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html#enable >>> >>> That README refers to lines that are commented-out in master.cf; of >>>

Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin

>> Aye aye.  Should I make the change like this: >> >> #smtps     inet  n       -       n       -       -       smtpd >> #  -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes >> submission inet n       -       n       -       -       smtpd >>   -o smtpd_tls_security_level=encrypt >> #  -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes >> #

Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin

On 12/07/11 13:16, Grant wrote: > > Are you sure? I was using smtps like this: > > smtps inet n - n - - smtpd > -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes > # -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes > # -o smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject > # -o milter_m

Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin

On 12/07/11 13:56, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > Are all of your clients in mynetworks? If so, it doesn't really matter > unless you want to prevent your own users from forging the envelope > sender or "From:" address. > Whoops, correction: you can still forge the "From:" header with reject_authen

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

Yeah, I agree. Going back to Ubuntu bashing, I think that the multiple versions, multiple repositories, multiple software choices (gnome 2, then unity, for example, hal then no hal) get in the way of the newbie user. Gentoo solves that by making the user understand what he's doing, how he's system

[gentoo-user] KDEPIM-4.7.3 hits the stable tree ... brrrrr!

Thankfully eselect news spells it out and this link makes me thing twice about my next steps: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDEPIM-4.7_upgrade Following Alan's disastrous experience where he saw all his messages disappear before his eyes I am doubly cautious. Has anyone tried the migration to

[gentoo-user] How to increase console (text) screen resolution

What is the simplest way to get a higher resolution screen when booting gentoo into console mode? I used to have something in /boot/grub/grub.conf that did that but I have forgotten the full syntax. My best guess is: [...] vga=0x31a video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap on kernel line. With that in place,

Re: [gentoo-user] How to increase console (text) screen resolution

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: > What is the simplest way to get a higher resolution screen when > booting gentoo into console mode? > > I used to have something in /boot/grub/grub.conf that did that but I > have forgotten the full syntax. My best guess is: >[...] vga=0x

[gentoo-user] Re: How to increase console (text) screen resolution

[...] Harry wrote: >>[...] vga=0x31a video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap (Does not work with newly installed gentoo guest on win7 Vbox) Michael Mol responded: > VESA framebuffer should work with absolutely everything PC-derived. I don't > know the grub configuration details, though. Sorry.. yes

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: no sound on upgraded Firefox from 7 to 8 - using pulse audio

On Wednesday 07 Dec 2011 00:16:31 Claudio Roberto França Pereira wrote: > The idea behind pulseaudio is live switching of streams. ALSA is great > if you have only one audio card, but as soon as you introduce a > bluetooth headset, a headphone, a HDMI display with sound output, ALSA > can't handle

[gentoo-user] Comparing guest OS filesystems

Hi All. I'm looking for some suggestions. Setup is Gentoo host running VMWare workstation 8 with two guests which are loosely based on RHEL. I'm checking to see if patch installation order in the guests has any effect. Not all the patches are rpm based, so I want to check to see if there are any di

[gentoo-user] --jobs

Under the newest portage with x86~, if I run `emerge -vuD world' should I see something besides: >>> Jobs 0 of 71 complete, 1 running [...] Shouldn't there be more jobs running? (This is on gentoo installed as guest on win7 using Vbox)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: no sound on upgraded Firefox from 7 to 8 - using pulse audio

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Mick wrote: > On Wednesday 07 Dec 2011 00:16:31 Claudio Roberto França Pereira wrote: > > The idea behind pulseaudio is live switching of streams. ALSA is great > > if you have only one audio card, but as soon as you introduce a > > bluetooth headset, a headphone,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to increase console (text) screen resolution

On Wednesday 07 Dec 2011 22:34:33 Harry Putnam wrote: > [...] > > Harry wrote: > >>[...] vga=0x31a video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap > > (Does not work with newly installed gentoo guest on win7 Vbox) > > Michael Mol responded: > > VESA framebuffer should work with absolutely everything PC-derived

Re: [gentoo-user] Comparing guest OS filesystems

On Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:50:55 +1100 Adam Carter wrote: > Hi All. I'm looking for some suggestions. Setup is Gentoo host running > VMWare workstation 8 with two guests which are loosely based on RHEL. > I'm checking to see if patch installation order in the guests has any > effect. Not all the patch

Re: [gentoo-user] --jobs

On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:55:38 -0600 Harry Putnam wrote: > Under the newest portage with x86~, if I run `emerge -vuD world' > should I see something besides: > > >>> Jobs 0 of 71 complete, 1 running [...] > > Shouldn't there be more jobs running? > > (This is on gentoo installed as guest on win7

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: no sound on upgraded Firefox from 7 to 8 - using pulse audio

On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:37:30 + Mick wrote: > > PulseAudio is to audio what X.org is to video: stream mixing > > software. > > I see ... so for many use cases that do not require to selectively > modify the volume of different outputs, pulseaudio is really not > necessary at all (I can alway

Re: [gentoo-user] How to increase console (text) screen resolution

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: > What is the simplest way to get a higher resolution screen when > booting gentoo into console mode? > > I used to have something in /boot/grub/grub.conf that did that but I > have forgotten the full syntax.  My best guess is: >    [...] vga=0x3

Re: [gentoo-user] --jobs

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: > Under the newest portage with x86~, if I run `emerge -vuD world' > should I see something besides: > Jobs 0 of 71 complete, 1 running [...] > > Shouldn't there be more jobs running? You have --jobs in the subject line of this messag, but

[gentoo-user] Re: --jobs

Alan McKinnon writes: > On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:55:38 -0600 > Harry Putnam wrote: > >> Under the newest portage with x86~, if I run `emerge -vuD world' >> should I see something besides: >> >> >>> Jobs 0 of 71 complete, 1 running [...] >> >> Shouldn't there be more jobs running? >> >> (This is

[gentoo-user] Re: How to increase console (text) screen resolution

Paul Hartman writes: > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: >> What is the simplest way to get a higher resolution screen when >> booting gentoo into console mode? >> >> I used to have something in /boot/grub/grub.conf that did that but I >> have forgotten the full syntax.  My bes

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: --jobs

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: > This is a brand new install, and I've changed very little.  I've done > nothing consciously to effect how many jobs are to be run. In that case I think it is working normally. It won't run more than 1 job unless you ask it to do so.

[gentoo-user] Re: How to increase console (text) screen resolution

Mick writes: > Have you tried: > >vga=ask > > It'll give you a list of hopefully supported resolutions. Yes but those are not really resolutions are they?... I thought they were actual font size changes. 5 is closest but any of the smaller ones look too silly and unreadable. Whereas a heft

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: --jobs

On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:46:15 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: > If its only going to do the jobs one by one, then why cover the -v > output? So that you can see at a glance where emerge is up to. 15 of 71 tells me far more than gcc output flashing by too fast to read, so I have to use an external progr

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to increase console (text) screen resolution

On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:52:04 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: > No, it doesn't appear at all in rc-update output. What I actually see > happen as boot starts is the vbox window expands quickly to about 3-4 > times its original size, then after only a moment it drops back to its > original size. Like a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: --jobs

-v has nothing to do with quiet-build. You want to use --quiet-build=N. Also, emerge parallelization depends on the -j (--jobs) option, you should use emerge --jobs N . In your case, a -j7 should do the trick.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: --jobs

Harry Putnam wrote: Alan McKinnon writes: On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:55:38 -0600 Harry Putnam wrote: Under the newest portage with x86~, if I run `emerge -vuD world' should I see something besides: Jobs 0 of 71 complete, 1 running [...] Shouldn't there be more jobs running? (This is on gent

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to increase console (text) screen resolution

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: > Mick writes: > >> Have you tried: >> >>    vga=ask >> >> It'll give you a list of hopefully supported resolutions. > > Yes but those are not really resolutions are they?... I thought they > were actual font size changes. > > 5 is closest but a

[gentoo-user] Re: --jobs

Paul Hartman writes: > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: >> This is a brand new install, and I've changed very little.  I've done >> nothing consciously to effect how many jobs are to be run. > > In that case I think it is working normally. It won't run more than 1 > job unless

[gentoo-user] Re: --jobs

Paul Hartman writes: > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: >> Under the newest portage with x86~, if I run `emerge -vuD world' >> should I see something besides: >> > Jobs 0 of 71 complete, 1 running [...] >> >> Shouldn't there be more jobs running? > > You have --jobs in the

[gentoo-user] Re: How to increase console (text) screen resolution

Neil Bothwick writes: > On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:52:04 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: > >> No, it doesn't appear at all in rc-update output. What I actually see >> happen as boot starts is the vbox window expands quickly to about 3-4 >> times its original size, then after only a moment it drops back t

[gentoo-user] Re: How to increase console (text) screen resolution

Harry Putnam writes: > Neil Bothwick writes: > >> On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:52:04 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: >> >>> No, it doesn't appear at all in rc-update output. What I actually see >>> happen as boot starts is the vbox window expands quickly to about 3-4 >>> times its original size, then afte

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to increase console (text) screen resolution

FWIW, uvesafb breaks if you use the -march=native unpacking trick on amd64; the special compiler v86d depends on doesn't like the --param parameter. That appears to be used by gcc to communicate details about CPU cache geometry. ZZ On Dec 7, 2011 7:19 PM, "Paul Hartman" wrote: > On Wed, Dec 7, 2

Re: [gentoo-user] clamav and spamassassin

>> Are you sure?  I was using smtps like this: >> >> smtps     inet  n       -       n       -       -       smtpd >>   -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes >> #  -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes >> #  -o smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject >> #  -o milter_macro_daemon_name=ORIGINATING

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: --jobs

On Dec 8, 2011 7:21 AM, "Harry Putnam" wrote: > > Paul Hartman writes: > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: > >> This is a brand new install, and I've changed very little. I've done > >> nothing consciously to effect how many jobs are to be run. > > > > In that case I think

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: --jobs

On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:09:39 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: > I followed another thread recently about this, and I understood the > new behavior is set this way because emerge will be running more than > 1 job and that would be a mess to put into one terminal... hence the > line showing jobs. No, t

[gentoo-user] recovering plain alsa [WAS:]: no sound on upgraded Firefox from 7 to 8 - using pulse audio

Thank you all who replied my last messages. Now I am back to plain alsa, but no two programs can use it at the same time. Alsa drivers are built on the kernel, and I have the following packages installed: media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.24.1:0 media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa-0.10.35:0.10 media-sound/alsa-

Re: [gentoo-user] KDEPIM-4.7.3 hits the stable tree ... brrrrr!

On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 07:11:53PM +, Mick wrote: > Thankfully eselect news spells it out and this link makes me thing twice > about > my next steps: > > http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDEPIM-4.7_upgrade > > Following Alan's disastrous experience where he saw all his messages > disappear >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to increase console (text) screen resolution

On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 06:42:22PM -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: > >> That sounds like KMS kicking in and reducing the resolution to what it > >> thinks your hardware can handle. There is a kernel option to enable it, I > >> can't remember the exact syntax but Google can. > > > > You might have somet

Re: [gentoo-user] KDEPIM-4.7.3 hits the stable tree ... brrrrr!

On Thursday 08 Dec 2011 05:45:12 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 07:11:53PM +, Mick wrote: > > Thankfully eselect news spells it out and this link makes me thing twice > > about > > > > my next steps: > > http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDEPIM-4.7_upgrade > > > > Following A

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Claudio Roberto França Pereira wrote: > Going back to Ubuntu bashing, I think that the multiple versions, > multiple repositories, multiple software choices (gnome 2, then unity, > for example, hal then no hal) get in the way of the newbie user. > Gentoo solves tha

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Dale wrote: > One thing I have learned about this list, even if you ask a question about > M$, you get a answer and sometimes more than one.  I think about all the > people here are geeks, nerds or some such thing. And what response you got when did you ask in Ub

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > But we still are the ones who come up with answers. Nice to know! Cool!

Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Stroller wrote: > I tried Ubuntu, hated this *so* much. > I'm sure all the respondents were just trying to be helpful, but they made > Ubuntu look like the distro of idiots. How do you say like this? Can you give me an example please?