Am 2011-07-21 02:41, schrieb Albert Hopkins:
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 20 at 23:43 (+0200), Stefan G. Weichinger said:
>
> [...]
>> Are there any recommended kernel-config-settings for a performant
>> and non-drifting KVM-server?
>
> Well, KVM_CLOCK obviously:
>
> KVM_CLOCK bool "KVM paravirtua
On 07/20/2011 07:33 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 July 2011 18:36:39 Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>> On 07/20/2011 07:53 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>> On 07/18/2011 11:45 PM, Bill Longman wrote:
On 07/18/2011 06:50 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Monday 18 July 2011
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:34:03 -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> >> I've always wondered why, if portage knows that has to be done, can't
> >> portage just go ahead and do it?
> >
> > Now that we have a set to do this, I see no reason why this could not
> > be an option, enabled by a USE flag.
> >
-original message-
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New computer and Gentoo
From: Bill Kenworthy
Date: 2011-07-21 12:54
>On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 06:26 +0100, Mick wrote:
>> On Thursday 21 Jul 2011 03:29:17 Adam Carter wrote:
>> > amd64 means any x86 64bit platform, so Intel too.
>> >
>> > march=native i
Am 21.07.2011 10:57, schrieb Pandu Poluan:
> -original message-
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New computer and Gentoo
> From: Bill Kenworthy
> Date: 2011-07-21 12:54
>
>> On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 06:26 +0100, Mick wrote:
[...]
>> Ive just stumbled on something weird with march=native:
>>
>> At some p
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 16:21, Florian Philipp wrote:
>
> Am 21.07.2011 10:57, schrieb Pandu Poluan:
> > -original message-
> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New computer and Gentoo
> > From: Bill Kenworthy
> > Date: 2011-07-21 12:54
> >
> >> On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 06:26 +0100, Mick wrote:
> [...]
>
Am 21.07.2011 11:21, schrieb Florian Philipp:
> Am 21.07.2011 10:57, schrieb Pandu Poluan:
>> -original message-
>> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New computer and Gentoo
>> From: Bill Kenworthy
>> Date: 2011-07-21 12:54
>>
>>> On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 06:26 +0100, Mick wrote:
> [...]
>>> Ive just stumbl
A little advice please? I am about to build a new box going from athlon dual
core to phenom six core. Including new sata drives and motherboard. I was going
to clone all my partitions and the re emerged all packages with march native
Firstly would you reccommend cloning and if so what is best te
On Thursday, July 21 at 10:01 (+), j...@jdm.myzen.co.uk said:
> A little advice please? I am about to build a new box going from
> athlon dual core to phenom six core. Including new sata drives and
> motherboard. I was going to clone all my partitions and the re emerged
> all packages with m
Am 21.07.2011 12:01, schrieb j...@jdm.myzen.co.uk:
> A little advice please? I am about to build a new box going from athlon dual
> core to phenom six core. Including new sata drives and motherboard. I was
> going to clone all my partitions and the re emerged all packages with march
> native
>
Here we go again. New thread, same problem. I'm compiling info over a
period of time here so bear with me. Info alert:
root@fireball / # emerge --info firefox
Portage 2.2.0_alpha45 (default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop/kde, gcc-4.5.2,
glibc-2.13-r4, 2.6.39-gentoo-r2 x86_64)
===
Thanks. Rsync sounds like a good option as I can boot pc with old hard disks
installed.
I assume that rsync works ok with ntfs?
Jdm
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-Original Message-
From: Albert Hopkins
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 06:18:53
To:
Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo
Dale writes:
> Here we go again. New thread, same problem. I'm compiling info over a
> period of time here so bear with me. Info alert:
[...]
> Right now, just look over my info, see if you see anything insane there
> and if not, recommend something I can use besides flash. Maybe some
> third
j...@jdm.myzen.co.uk writes:
> A little advice please? I am about to build a new box going from athlon
> dual core to phenom six core. Including new sata drives and motherboard.
> I was going to clone all my partitions and the re emerged all packages
> with march native
> Firstly would you recco
Greets,
I use x11-terms/terminator most of the time and over the last few days I
noticed that these processes generate a high load on my CPUs.
The processes also seem to hang around even after I close the
terminator-windows!
Rebuilding the pkg (and gnome-terminal as well, just in case) has not
Alex Schuster wrote:
Dale writes:
Here we go again. New thread, same problem. I'm compiling info over a
period of time here so bear with me. Info alert:
[...]
Right now, just look over my info, see if you see anything insane there
and if not, recommend something I can use be
On Thursday, July 21 at 11:10 (+), j...@jdm.myzen.co.uk said:
Well, depends on your definition of "works".
AFAIK linux does not expose the NFTS permission system fully, because
they are very different and there is no 1:1 mapping between them. So
while the *data* may be copied over, the pe
- Original Message -From: András Csányi Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011
4:50 amSubject: [gentoo-user] xfce (window manager)To: gentoo-user > Dear All,>
> I would like to ask the community anybody has experienced any problems>
regarding xfce?> My problem is that after update the window dec
Dale writes:
> Alex Schuster wrote:
> > I'd also try other video drivers, like nouveau or nv. I think you did
> > not do this yet, sorry if I just overlooked it. They may not work as
> > well as the nvidia-drivers for you, but this way you can rule out the
> > video drivers, or confirm it has som
On Thursday 21 July 2011 05:54:32 Dale wrote:
> I been working on gathering information for this for a while. I just
> tried something else. I use the download helper plugin in Firefox to
> download videos. Also, it crashes when I am downloading videos but that
> is about all I use Firefox fo
On Thursday 21 July 2011 05:54:32 Dale wrote:
> Right now, just look over my info, see if you see anything insane there
> and if not, recommend something I can use besides flash. Maybe some
> third party thing that works reasonably well. If youtube works, I
> should be good to go since the sit
The 21/07/11, Dale wrote:
> I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so
> long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use
> them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo.
Try VESA.
> As for Firefox-bin, I'm not sure that would help
On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 11:21 +0200, Florian Philipp wrote:
> Am 21.07.2011 10:57, schrieb Pandu Poluan:
> > -original message-
> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New computer and Gentoo
> > From: Bill Kenworthy
> > Date: 2011-07-21 12:54
> >
> >> On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 06:26 +0100, Mick wrote:
> [...]
On Thursday 21 July 2011 12:20:30 Florian Philipp wrote:
> Also, udev will usually detect your network interfaces as new interfaces
> and give them different numbers (eth1 instead of eth0 and so on).
You can "solve" this by deleting the respective entries in the udev config:
**
$ cat /etc/ude
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
>
> Greets,
>
> I use x11-terms/terminator most of the time and over the last few days I
> noticed that these processes generate a high load on my CPUs.
>
> The processes also seem to hang around even after I close the
> terminator-windo
Am 21.07.2011 15:10, schrieb William Kenworthy:
> On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 11:21 +0200, Florian Philipp wrote:
>> Am 21.07.2011 10:57, schrieb Pandu Poluan:
>>> -original message-
>>> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New computer and Gentoo
>>> From: Bill Kenworthy
>>> Date: 2011-07-21 12:54
>>>
On Th
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 06:41:31 -0500, Dale wrote:
> I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so
> long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use
> them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. I
> found the link on the xorg site. It
On 21.07.2011 13:23, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
>
> Greets,
>
> I use x11-terms/terminator most of the time and over the last few days I
> noticed that these processes generate a high load on my CPUs.
>
> The processes also seem to hang around even after I close the
> terminator-windows!
>
> R
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 06:41:31 -0500, Dale wrote:
I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so
long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use
them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. I
found the link o
Joost Roeleveld wrote:
On Thursday 21 July 2011 05:54:32 Dale wrote:
I been working on gathering information for this for a while. I just
tried something else. I use the download helper plugin in Firefox to
download videos. Also, it crashes when I am downloading videos but that
is about a
On 7/20/2011 6:29 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
Also, run a caching proxy if at all possible. That made the single
biggest difference for my server.
Other useful things:
* Set the MaxRequestsPerChild to something like 450.
That's pretty low. You'd barely get your application parsed, cached,
and lo
Joost Roeleveld wrote:
On Thursday 21 July 2011 05:54:32 Dale wrote:
Right now, just look over my info, see if you see anything insane there
and if not, recommend something I can use besides flash. Maybe some
third party thing that works reasonably well. If youtube works, I
should be good
On 07/21/2011 04:57 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:34:03 -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>
I've always wondered why, if portage knows that has to be done, can't
portage just go ahead and do it?
>>>
>>> Now that we have a set to do this, I see no reason why this could
>> I ran into an out of memory problem. The first mention of it in the
>> kernel log is "mysqld invoked oom-killer". I haven't run into this
>> before. I do have a swap partition but I don't activate it based
>> on something I read previously that I later found out was wrong so
>> I suppose I sh
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:13:09 -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> > That seems to be discussing ABI changes. The X drivers situation is
> > different. Also, that issue has largely been resolved, in as much as
> > ABI changes don't break things like they used to, with
> > @preserved-rebuild.
> Huh?
@
I ran into an out of memory problem. The first mention of it in the
kernel log is "mysqld invoked oom-killer". I haven't run into this
before. I do have a swap partition but I don't activate it based on
something I read previously that I later found out was wrong so I
su
> I ran into an out of memory problem. The first mention of it in the
> kernel log is "mysqld invoked oom-killer". I haven't run into this
> before. I do have a swap partition but I don't activate it based on
> something I read previously that I later found out was wrong so I
>>>
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Grant wrote:
> Hi Alan, I think it was your advice I took a long time ago when I
> stopped installing new machines with a swap partition and disabled it
> on my already-installed machines. Some time later, others on this
> list caught wind of what I'd done and to
>> Hi Alan, I think it was your advice I took a long time ago when I
>> stopped installing new machines with a swap partition and disabled it
>> on my already-installed machines. Some time later, others on this
>> list caught wind of what I'd done and told me I was an idiot. Is
>> there a consens
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Grant wrote:
> Thanks Paul. I'm leaning toward leaving swap disabled. So I'm sure I
> have the concept right, is adding a 1GB swap partition functionally
> identical to adding 1GB RAM with regard to the potential for
> out-of-memory conditions?
Yep.
>> I ran into an out of memory problem. The first mention of it in the
>> kernel log is "mysqld invoked oom-killer". I haven't run into this
>> before. I do have a swap partition but I don't activate it based on
>> something I read previously that I later found out was wrong so I
>> suppose I sh
* Paul Hartman [110721 12:33]:
[..]
> I think if you have 4GB of RAM you shouldn't need any swap under
> normal circumstances. I have a gentoo box with just 256MB of RAM
> that's running web server (apache + php), mail server (postfix +
> dovecot), and database (mariadb), and it works fine if i di
>> Thanks Paul. I'm leaning toward leaving swap disabled. So I'm sure I
>> have the concept right, is adding a 1GB swap partition functionally
>> identical to adding 1GB RAM with regard to the potential for
>> out-of-memory conditions?
>
> Yep.
It sounds like adding physical RAM is better than e
> [..]
>> I think if you have 4GB of RAM you shouldn't need any swap under
>> normal circumstances. I have a gentoo box with just 256MB of RAM
>> that's running web server (apache + php), mail server (postfix +
>> dovecot), and database (mariadb), and it works fine if i disable swap.
>> I do normal
On 7/21/2011 9:53 AM, Grant wrote:
Next I'd look at tuning your Mysql config. If you've never touched
my.cnf, by default it's set to use 64MB IIRC. You may need to raise this to
get better performance. key_buffer and innodb_buffer_pool_size are the only
two I'd modify without knowing more
On Thursday 21 July 2011 10:01:10 j...@jdm.myzen.co.uk wrote:
> A little advice please? I am about to build a new box going from athlon dual
> core to phenom six core. Including new sata drives and motherboard. I was
> going to clone all my partitions and the re emerged all packages with march
> na
On 7/21/2011 10:22 AM, Grant wrote:
I ran into an out of memory problem. The first mention of it in the
kernel log is "mysqld invoked oom-killer". I haven't run into this
before. I do have a swap partition but I don't activate it based on
something I read previously that I later found out was
Whatever Dale had on his machine must have infected mine! LOL!
A 32bit x86 box with KDE4.6, running firefox-3.6.17 and xulrunner-1.9.2.17
after a few hours and loads of tabs (sometimes up to 15 or so) eventually
hangs X.
I can switch to a console and login as the user running the X session, th
Am 21.07.2011 16:21, schrieb Poncho:
> If you have the x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-275.19 installed, your issue
> may be related to
>
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375615
Thanks for the pointer, I downgraded the drivers, looks better so far!
Stefan
Mick wrote:
Whatever Dale had on his machine must have infected mine! LOL!
A 32bit x86 box with KDE4.6, running firefox-3.6.17 and xulrunner-1.9.2.17
after a few hours and loads of tabs (sometimes up to 15 or so) eventually
hangs X.
I can switch to a console and login as the user running the X
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:56 AM, kashani wrote:
> On 7/20/2011 6:29 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
>>
>> Also, run a caching proxy if at all possible. That made the single
>> biggest difference for my server.
>>
>> Other useful things:
>> * Set the MaxRequestsPerChild to something like 450.
>
> Th
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:46:55 -0500, Dale wrote:
> > You could also try the VESA drivers, slow but reliable.
> OK. How do I do the VESA drivers? Honestly, the only trouble I can
> recall out of nvidia was upgrading the kernel then rebooting and
> realizing I forgot to rebuild against the new k
On 07/21/2011 11:38 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 07/20/2011 07:33 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Is it a matter of waiting a bit longer?
Yes, I think he'll be eligible for parole beginning 2023.
please refrain yourself from idiotic remarks like this.
Everyone *knows* he's got full inter
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:46:55 -0500, Dale wrote:
You could also try the VESA drivers, slow but reliable.
OK. How do I do the VESA drivers? Honestly, the only trouble I can
recall out of nvidia was upgrading the kernel then rebooting and
realizing I forgot
Dale asks:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 06:41:31 -0500, Dale wrote:
>>
>>> I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so
>>> long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use
>>> them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:14:11 -0500, Dale wrote:
> > It's the standard video driver, x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa
> And I change nvidia to vesa or do I need to unmerge nvidia first?
If you keep xorg.conf, change it to use vesa.
> Also, are these done as modules like nvidia is? Hmmm, if I
> r
Alex Schuster wrote:
Dale asks:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 06:41:31 -0500, Dale wrote:
I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so
long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use
them. I'm not sure I have ever used th
Dale wrote:
Thanks. I remembered after hitting reply to set it in make.conf. I
got some done anyway. I'll report back what blows up. O_O
Dale
:-) :-)
OoooK. That didn't work to well. Using VESA, the screen was ALL messed
up. It was mostly garbage to say it lightly. I also tried
On 7/21/2011 11:55 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:56 AM, kashani wrote:
On 7/20/2011 6:29 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
Also, run a caching proxy if at all possible. That made the single
biggest difference for my server.
Other useful things:
* Set the MaxRequestsPerChild to somet
On Thursday 21 July 2011 09:39:52 Grant did opine thusly:
> > My personal rule of thumb: if you hit swap, the bad thing has
> > already gone very very south, usually to the point where you
> > can't do much about it and it's already too late. Besides, that
> > bastard deomon spawn of satan called
On Thursday 21 July 2011 10:30:21 Grant did opine thusly:
> > [..]
> >
> >> I think if you have 4GB of RAM you shouldn't need any swap
> >> under
> >> normal circumstances. I have a gentoo box with just 256MB of
> >> RAM
> >> that's running web server (apache + php), mail server (postfix
> >> +
>
On Thursday 21 July 2011 10:27:58 Grant did opine thusly:
> >> Thanks Paul. I'm leaning toward leaving swap disabled. So
> >> I'm sure I have the concept right, is adding a 1GB swap
> >> partition functionally identical to adding 1GB RAM with
> >> regard to the potential for out-of-memory conditi
On 07/21/2011 11:58 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> Just trying to lighten the mood, don't take it the wrong way.
>
> So... why didn't he partition his wife if he didn't want her to be found?
I think his fragment size was too large.
>>> Next I'd look at tuning your Mysql config. If you've never touched
>>> my.cnf, by default it's set to use 64MB IIRC. You may need to raise this
>>> to
>>> get better performance. key_buffer and innodb_buffer_pool_size are the
>>> only
>>> two I'd modify without knowing more.
>>
>> I use
I ran into an out of memory problem. The first mention of it in the
kernel log is "mysqld invoked oom-killer". I haven't run into this
before. I do have a swap partition but I don't activate it based on
something I read previously that I later found out was wrong so I
su
>>> Also, run a caching proxy if at all possible. That made the single
>>> biggest difference for my server.
>>>
>>> Other useful things:
>>> * Set the MaxRequestsPerChild to something like 450.
>>
>> That's pretty low. You'd barely get your application parsed, cached,
>> and load some data
>>> Next I'd look at tuning your Mysql config. If you've never touched
>>> my.cnf, by default it's set to use 64MB IIRC. You may need to raise this
>>> to
>>> get better performance. key_buffer and innodb_buffer_pool_size are the
>>> only
>>> two I'd modify without knowing more.
>>
>> I use
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:18:34 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user]
Kernel panics and more info:
> OoooK. That didn't work to well. Using VESA, the screen was ALL
> messed up. It was mostly garbage to say it lightly. I also tried
> the nv driver again, all I got was a blinking cursor. I do
On 07/21/2011 01:18 PM, Dale wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>Using VESA, the screen was ALL
> messed up. It was mostly garbage to say it lightly. I also tried
> the nv driver again, all I got was a blinking cursor. I don't think
> it even tried to do anything.
If you have your opengl set to nvidia, you
On Thursday, July 21 at 10:27 (-0700), Grant said:
> It sounds like adding physical RAM is better than enabling swap in
> every way. I'll stay in the anti-swap camp.
I don't see why it has to be one way *or* the other...
Yes more RAM is always going to be better than more swap, RAM is just
wa
On 07/21/2011 11:38 AM, Mick wrote:
> Whatever Dale had on his machine must have infected mine! LOL!
>
> A 32bit x86 box with KDE4.6, running firefox-3.6.17 and xulrunner-1.9.2.17
> after a few hours and loads of tabs (sometimes up to 15 or so) eventually
> hangs X.
>
> I can switch to a conso
On 07/20/2011 10:54 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote:
> So not sure about march=native now as it is only what was built with
> native thats been problematic.
Makes me wonder if gcc and glibc need to be recompiled with arch=native
before rebuilding the rest of the system?
On 7/21/2011 2:50 PM, Grant wrote:
Any reason you're still using MyISAM tables? Innodb is almost as fast
or much much faster than MyISAM in nearly every way these days.
Can multiple processes be utilized for mysql like they are for
apache2? Perhaps not since it's a database?
Mysql
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:13:11 -0700, Bill Longman wrote:
> >> Just trying to lighten the mood, don't take it the wrong way.
> >
> > So... why didn't he partition his wife if he didn't want her to be
> > found?
>
> I think his fragment size was too large.
I thought she disappeared without a t
walt wrote:
On 07/21/2011 01:18 PM, Dale wrote:
Dale wrote:
Using VESA, the screen was ALL
messed up. It was mostly garbage to say it lightly. I also tried
the nv driver again, all I got was a blinking cursor. I don't think
it even tried to do anything.
If you have your
On 07/21/2011 04:49 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Thursday 21 July 2011 10:27:58 Grant did opine thusly:
Thanks Paul. I'm leaning toward leaving swap disabled. So
I'm sure I have the concept right, is adding a 1GB swap
partition functionally identical to adding 1GB RAM with
re
...
> I would strongly advise you to make your own measurements and heed
> your own counsel. I can only speak from my own experience, and I may
> well be speaking a whole load of codswallop. Or I may be right and the
> opposing view is wrong. Who's to tell?
>
> My own experience with backing swap h
On 07/21/2011 02:58 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 07/21/2011 11:38 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>> On 07/20/2011 07:33 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Is it a matter of waiting a bit longer?
Yes, I think he'll be eligible for parole beginning 2023.
>>>
>>> ple
>> > [..]
>> >
>> >> I think if you have 4GB of RAM you shouldn't need any swap
>> >> under
>> >> normal circumstances. I have a gentoo box with just 256MB of
>> >> RAM
>> >> that's running web server (apache + php), mail server (postfix
>> >> +
>> >> dovecot), and database (mariadb), and it works
On Thursday 21 July 2011 16:27:03 Grant did opine thusly:
> >> > [..]
> >> >
> >> >> I think if you have 4GB of RAM you shouldn't need any
> >> >> swap
> >> >> under
> >> >> normal circumstances. I have a gentoo box with just
> >> >> 256MB of
> >> >> RAM
> >> >> that's running web server (apache +
On Thursday 21 July 2011 19:19:07 Michael Orlitzky did opine thusly:
> On 07/21/2011 04:49 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Thursday 21 July 2011 10:27:58 Grant did opine thusly:
> Thanks Paul. I'm leaning toward leaving swap disabled.
> So
> I'm sure I have the concept right, is ad
Dale wrote:
walt wrote:
On 07/21/2011 01:18 PM, Dale wrote:
Dale wrote:
Using VESA, the screen was ALL
messed up. It was mostly garbage to say it lightly. I also tried
the nv driver again, all I got was a blinking cursor. I don't think
it even tried to do anything.
If you have your opengl s
>> It sounds like adding physical RAM is better than enabling swap in
>> every way. I'll stay in the anti-swap camp.
>
> I don't see why it has to be one way *or* the other...
>
> Yes more RAM is always going to be better than more swap, RAM is just
> way faster than disk, however byte-per-byte, d
>>> Any reason you're still using MyISAM tables? Innodb is almost as
>>> fast
>>> or much much faster than MyISAM in nearly every way these days.
>>
>> Can multiple processes be utilized for mysql like they are for
>> apache2? Perhaps not since it's a database?
>
> Mysql is multithre
On 7/21/2011 4:53 PM, Grant wrote:
So swap isn't treated exactly like RAM. It actually has special
handling in Linux which makes it beneficial to have on almost any
Linux system? According to Alan, things get very bad when a Linux
system hits swap. How can behavior like this be beneficial:
"
On 7/21/2011 5:14 PM, Grant wrote:
Any reason you're still using MyISAM tables? Innodb is almost as
fast
or much much faster than MyISAM in nearly every way these days.
Can multiple processes be utilized for mysql like they are for
apache2? Perhaps not since it's a database?
>> So swap isn't treated exactly like RAM. It actually has special
>> handling in Linux which makes it beneficial to have on almost any
>> Linux system? According to Alan, things get very bad when a Linux
>> system hits swap. How can behavior like this be beneficial:
>>
>> "When a linux machine
>> apache MaxClients has been lowered to 50 which is a shame because I
>> have 30+ separate images on each of my pages and that number can not
>> be reduced. This means I may not be able to serve more than 1 full
>> page at a time.
>
> This is wrong.
Agreed. From TFM; "The MaxClients direc
> Any reason you're still using MyISAM tables? Innodb is almost as
> fast
> or much much faster than MyISAM in nearly every way these days.
Can multiple processes be utilized for mysql like they are for
apache2? Perhaps not since it's a database?
>>>
>>> My
> OK, how about I enable a 512MB swap file and keep an eye on it. As
> long as I'm not using more than 200MB, I'm not suffering from disk
> swap slowdown, right?
Its more how much i/o rather than the size. If you have a bunch of
stuff swapped out, but it hardly ever needs to be swapped in, the
im
On Thursday, July 21 at 16:53 (-0700), Grant said:
> So swap isn't treated exactly like RAM. It actually has special
> handling in Linux which makes it beneficial to have on almost any
> Linux system? According to Alan, things get very bad when a Linux
> system hits swap. How can behavior li
On Friday, July 22 at 10:56 (+1000), Adam Carter said:
> Its more how much i/o rather than the size. If you have a bunch of
> stuff swapped out, but it hardly ever needs to be swapped in, the
> impact will be low.
>
> Keep an eye on the use with vmstat;
>
> adam@rix ~ $ vmstat 5
> procs --
>>> apache MaxClients has been lowered to 50 which is a shame because I
>>> have 30+ separate images on each of my pages and that number can not
>>> be reduced. This means I may not be able to serve more than 1 full
>>> page at a time.
>>
>> This is wrong.
>
> Agreed. From TFM; "The MaxClie
>> Its more how much i/o rather than the size. If you have a bunch of
>> stuff swapped out, but it hardly ever needs to be swapped in, the
>> impact will be low.
>>
>> Keep an eye on the use with vmstat;
>>
>> adam@rix ~ $ vmstat 5
>> procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -system-
> I'm trying to figure out the maximum number of apache2 processes that
> could run simultaneously according to my config so I don't run out of
> memory again. I have KeepAlive on, but I can see in the log that a
> different pid serves each file associated with a particular page
> request.
Ok, I
>> So swap isn't treated exactly like RAM. It actually has special
>> handling in Linux which makes it beneficial to have on almost any
>> Linux system? According to Alan, things get very bad when a Linux
>> system hits swap. How can behavior like this be beneficial:
>>
>> "When a linux machine
>> I'm trying to figure out the maximum number of apache2 processes that
>> could run simultaneously according to my config so I don't run out of
>> memory again. I have KeepAlive on, but I can see in the log that a
>> different pid serves each file associated with a particular page
>> request.
>
On Thursday, July 21 at 18:29 (-0700), Grant said:
> Then why not have a really big swap file? If swap is useful as a
> second layer of caching behind RAM, why doesn't everyone with some
> extra hard drive space have a 100GB swap file?
>
You've not understood what I said, I think. Swap is not
On Thursday, July 21 at 18:43 (-0700), Grant said:
> If I understand correctly, an out-of-memory condition that would lock
> up a system without swap, will cause it to thrash with swap. A remote
> system of mine was locked up for many hours due to running out of
> memory without swap. If I had
> So with KeepAlive on, the same apache2 process serves the page itself
> and all associated files?
That's my understanding, but i'm not sure if its what i've read over
the years or just assumed.
The way I think it worked is;
- one apache process running as root, listening on port 80;
- once a co
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