Am Sun, Mar 09, 2025 at 10:32:37PM -0500 schrieb Dale:
> I suspect it is safer than on a USB. I believe that the old spinning
> rust is likely the most durable long term storage without powering up
> during storage. I once hooked up a bunch of old IDE drives that hadn't
> had power to them in ye
Michael wrote:
> On Saturday, 8 March 2025 22:48:29 Greenwich Mean Time Dale wrote:
>> Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
>>> Am Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 11:40:48PM +0100 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger:
Another thing to consider: don’t put it into the safe for a year without
powering it up. As was explain
On Saturday, 8 March 2025 22:48:29 Greenwich Mean Time Dale wrote:
> Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> > Am Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 11:40:48PM +0100 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger:
> >> Another thing to consider: don’t put it into the safe for a year without
> >> powering it up. As was explained in a previous m
Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> Am Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 11:40:48PM +0100 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger:
>
>> Another thing to consider: don’t put it into the safe for a year without
>> powering it up. As was explained in a previous mail, QLC uses sixteen
>> different levels of charge inside one single f
Am Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 11:40:48PM +0100 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger:
> Another thing to consider: don’t put it into the safe for a year without
> powering it up. As was explained in a previous mail, QLC uses sixteen
> different levels of charge inside one single flash cell. The chance of a bit
Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2025-02-20, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
>
>> Another thing to consider: don’t put it into the safe for a year without
>> powering it up. As was explained in a previous mail, QLC uses sixteen
>> different levels of charge inside one single flash cell. The chance of a bit
Am Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 12:18:30PM -0600 schrieb Dale:
> Michael wrote:
> I use external USB sticks a lot for critical backup files, world, /etc
> and most important, /root where some of my so called scripts live.
> Reading this thread made me question even more the dependability of USB
> sticks.
Michael wrote:
> For reliable NAND flash storage on a modern PC which can make use of the
> higher speeds, I wholeheartedly agree the M.2 small form factor SSD drive
> within a USB enclosure must be a consideration. Or one of the external SATA
> SSDs which are physically bigger, with a USB cabl
On Wednesday 19 February 2025 12:20:33 Greenwich Mean Time Frank Steinmetzger
wrote:
> Am Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 02:10:35PM -0500 schrieb Philip Webb:
> > 250218 Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> One thing I forgot to mention: AFAIK not all such enclosures support TRIM.
> If you want to get one, check th
On Wednesday 19 February 2025 12:10:59 Greenwich Mean Time Frank Steinmetzger
wrote:
> Am Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 11:53:48AM + schrieb Michael:
> > Once buffers are saturated write operations will settle at what the device
> > can achieve. I have observed writes slow down when the empty space l
Am Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 11:53:48AM + schrieb Michael:
> > Your expectations have some vague assumptions:
>
> Yes, I was just trying to point loosely at the order of magnitude as an
> indication of something being faulty in the USB Philip was trying to format.
>
> > - the stick achieves full
Am Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 02:10:35PM -0500 schrieb Philip Webb:
> 250218 Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> > I recommend an external USB case with an NVMe SSD inside.
> > This may not be as compact and not as cheap,
> > but they are much much much faster and probably longer-lasting
> > than any USB stick,
Am Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 11:25:28PM + schrieb Michael:
> > TLC (tri-level cells)
> >
> > Hey, what if we do 8 different charge levels! Now you get 4 bits per
> > cell. Even harder to do, even less reliable...
> >
> >
> > QLC (quad-level cells)
> >
> > [I think you see where this is going]
On 2/18/25 16:13, Michael wrote:
For reliable NAND flash storage on a modern PC which can make use of the
higher speeds, I wholeheartedly agree the M.2 small form factor SSD drive
within a USB enclosure must be a consideration. Or one of the external SATA
SSDs which are physically bigger, with a
On Tuesday 18 February 2025 21:18:03 Greenwich Mean Time Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2025-02-18, Philip Webb wrote:
> > 250218 Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> >> I recommend an external USB case with an NVMe SSD inside.
> >> This may not be as compact and not as cheap,
> >> but they are much much much f
On Tuesday 18 February 2025 18:54:07 Greenwich Mean Time Philip Webb wrote:
> So yes, at least 1 of the sticks is unusable & probably both.
> I can take/mail them back to the store & ask them to test them with Linux
> & refund my CAD if they confirm they're defective.
I would refrain from stati
250218 Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> I recommend an external USB case with an NVMe SSD inside.
> This may not be as compact and not as cheap,
> but they are much much much faster and probably longer-lasting
> than any USB stick, because their flash controllers are more sophisticated
> and the parts o
250218 Michael wrote:
-- details of using 'f3probe' snipped --
> This is good news, it confirms neither of them are counterfeit units.
> However, the 2nd stick appears to be defective. It takes almost 3.5 times
> as long than the first stick and from what we know for no good reason.
> This indi
On Tuesday 18 February 2025 03:46:26 Greenwich Mean Time Philip Webb wrote:
> 250217 Michael wrote:
> > It is worth mentioning the sys-block/f3 package (Fight Flash Fraud),
> > which is in Portage and can test a USB flash disk to discover if it is
> > fake. Besides the slower f3write and f3read, th
On Monday 17 February 2025 23:12:59 Greenwich Mean Time Frank Steinmetzger
wrote:
> Am Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 01:41:10PM + schrieb Michael:
> > I just formatted a USB 2.0 8GB stick with mke2fs as a test. It took 46
> > seconds. Extrapolating for your 64GB partition it should take ~ 6
> > minu
Am Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 12:53:42AM -0500 schrieb Philip Webb:
> 250218 Grant Edwards wrote:
> > On 2025-02-18, Philip Webb wrote:
> >> So both sticks are genuine, as I would expect from that store.
> > Have you tried just doing mkfs.ext4 [options] /dev/sdb?
> > You only want one filesystem, right?
250218 Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2025-02-18, Philip Webb wrote:
>> So both sticks are genuine, as I would expect from that store.
> Have you tried just doing mkfs.ext4 [options] /dev/sdb?
> You only want one filesystem, right? Why bother with a partition table
> if you don't want to partition the
250217 Michael wrote:
> It is worth mentioning the sys-block/f3 package (Fight Flash Fraud),
> which is in Portage and can test a USB flash disk to discover if it is fake.
> Besides the slower f3write and f3read, the f3probe command
> will only take a few minutes and confirm the available space.
T
Am Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 01:41:10PM + schrieb Michael:
> On Sunday 16 February 2025 09:08:10 Greenwich Mean Time Nuno Silva wrote:
> > On 2025-02-16, Philip Webb wrote:
> > > 250215 Michael wrote:
>
> > >> Formatting a 256GB USB drive, especially if it is a USB 3.0 or later
> > >> spec, should
On Monday 17 February 2025 17:16:51 Greenwich Mean Time Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2025-02-17, Philip Webb wrote:
> > The sticks were delivered, so I can't easily return them,
> > & in any case we've had 50 cm snow dumped on us in the last few days.
> > If a Linux file system really is unachievab
On 16/02/2025 13:41, Michael wrote:
nor the "Attached SCSI removable disk" at the end :
This is the message you get when the device is powered up, detected by the
kernel and the filesystem is then being accessed. From this point on the
device can be read from and written to.
So (and this wa
On Sunday 16 February 2025 09:08:10 Greenwich Mean Time Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2025-02-16, Philip Webb wrote:
> > 250215 Michael wrote:
> >> Formatting a 256GB USB drive, especially if it is a USB 3.0 or later
> >> spec, should not take hours, but minutes if not seconds.
> >
> > See listing below
250215 Michael wrote:
> On Saturday 15 February 2025 11:50:23 Greenwich Mean Time Nuno Silva wrote:
> > On 2025-02-15, Philip Webb wrote:
> > > Recently, I bought 2 new Kingston Exodia 256 GB USB sticks
> > > from Canada Computers, the store in Toronto I've used for 25 yr .
> > > With many pre
On Saturday 15 February 2025 11:50:23 Greenwich Mean Time Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2025-02-15, Philip Webb wrote:
> > Recently, I bought 2 new Kingston Exodia 256 GB USB sticks
> > from Canada Computers, the store in Toronto I've used for 25 yr .
> > With many previous new USB sticks of sizes <
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