On Monday 27 December 2010 09:45:34 Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>
> wrote:
> > On Thursday 16 December 2010 12:42:06 Mark Knecht wrote:
> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Dale wrote:
> >> > OK. I'm not going to argue the point. All I know is t
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> On Thursday 16 December 2010 12:42:06 Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Dale wrote:
>> > OK. I'm not going to argue the point. All I know is this, the cable
>> > that came with the case will plug into any SATA
On Thursday 16 December 2010 12:42:06 Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Dale wrote:
> > OK. I'm not going to argue the point. All I know is this, the cable
> > that came with the case will plug into any SATA connector on my mobo.
> > There is nothing marking a eSATA port on
On Thursday 16 December 2010 07:47:18 Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
> wrote:
>
>
> > again, the hardware to hotplug is built into every sata connector. What
> > is left is the controller not getting confused and the driver.
>
> Every SATA connector?
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Dale wrote:
OK. I'm not going to argue the point. All I know is this, the cable that
came with the case will plug into any SATA connector on my mobo. There is
nothing marking a eSATA port on there.
There's nothing to argue. On
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Dale wrote:
>
> OK. I'm not going to argue the point. All I know is this, the cable that
> came with the case will plug into any SATA connector on my mobo. There is
> nothing marking a eSATA port on there.
There's nothing to argue. On your motherboard all por
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Dale wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
Hold on there. SATA and eSATA connectors are definitely different. If
your case came with a cable hooked to the eSATA connector then that
cable is taking care of the difference already. Try plug
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Dale wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>> Hold on there. SATA and eSATA connectors are definitely different. If
>> your case came with a cable hooked to the eSATA connector then that
>> cable is taking care of the difference already. Try plugging an
>> internal SATA
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Dale wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
again, the hardware to hotplug is built into every sata connector. What
is
left is the controller not getting confused and t
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Dale wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> again, the hardware to hotplug is built into every sata connector. What
>>> is
>>> left is the controller not getting confused and the driver.
>
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
again, the hardware to hotplug is built into every sata connector. What is
left is the controller not getting confused and the driver.
Every SATA connector? External connectors yes. Internal connectors
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
>
> again, the hardware to hotplug is built into every sata connector. What is
> left is the controller not getting confused and the driver.
>
Every SATA connector? External connectors yes. Internal connectors no.
> AHCI as a standard
On Thursday 16 December 2010 09:31:34 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 23:46 on Wednesday 15 December 2010, Mark
>
> Knecht did opine thusly:
> > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Alan McKinnon
>
> wrote:
> > > Apparently, though unproven, at 23:02 on Wednesday 15 December 2
Apparently, though unproven, at 08:23 on Thursday 16 December 2010, Stroller
did opine thusly:
> On 15/12/2010, at 7:35pm, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > ...
> > Not according to Wikipedia ... I believe the Wikipedia page.
>
> I would be really pretty cautious about that, dude.
>
> Out of a need to "
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:46 on Wednesday 15 December 2010, Mark
Knecht did opine thusly:
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Alan McKinnon
wrote:
> > Apparently, though unproven, at 23:02 on Wednesday 15 December 2010,
> > Volker
> >
> > Armin Hemmann did opine thusly:
> >> and where
On 15/12/2010, at 7:35pm, Grant Edwards wrote:
> ...
> Not according to Wikipedia ... I believe the Wikipedia page.
I would be really pretty cautious about that, dude.
Out of a need to "contribute" I have spend quite a few hours in the last year
editing wikipedia articles, and paying more atten
On 15/12/2010, at 7:58pm, Mark Knecht wrote:
> ...
> 1) Internal SATA drives are at the end of a single cable and don't
> require hot-plugging logic be built into the SATA port driver on the
> SATA controller because they are always powered up. (They are inside
> the case)
I'm not sure this is th
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 23:02 on Wednesday 15 December 2010, Volker
> Armin Hemmann did opine thusly:
>
>> and where do you get that internal ports can't do hotplug?
>
> He never said that. Here's what he did say:
>
> 1) Internal SATA
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:02 on Wednesday 15 December 2010, Volker
Armin Hemmann did opine thusly:
> and where do you get that internal ports can't do hotplug?
He never said that. Here's what he did say:
1) Internal SATA drives are at the end of a single cable and don't
require hot-plu
On Wednesday 15 December 2010 12:41:51 Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
> wrote:
>
>
> >> The logic and timing of the signals on SATA and eSATA cables is
> >> (TTBOMK) intended to be identical. What those signals look like at
> >> different places in th
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
>>
>> The logic and timing of the signals on SATA and eSATA cables is
>> (TTBOMK) intended to be identical. What those signals look like at
>> different places in the cable chain will be different.
>>
>> - Mark
>
> and you have sources
On Wednesday 15 December 2010 11:58:13 Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Grant Edwards
>
> wrote:
> > On 2010-12-15, Andrea Conti wrote:
> >>> E-SATA != SATA
> >>
> >> Nah. They are *exactly* the same.
> >
> > Not according to Wikipedia -- it says the electrical specs
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Grant Edwards
wrote:
> On 2010-12-15, Andrea Conti wrote:
>>> E-SATA != SATA
>>
>> Nah. They are *exactly* the same.
>
> Not according to Wikipedia -- it says the electrical specs for eSATA
> are different than the specs for "normal" SATA. I've seen that st
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