Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem, OT: Blender

2010-04-06 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Donnerstag, 1. April 2010 schrieb meino.cra...@gmx.de: > thanks for all the input to all who have answered ! :) > > I will try to characterize ("characterise" ?) what I plan to do with > my TByte disk. Characterise if you’re in British domains, characterize if you are in the US. > Last thing

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-03 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 03 April 2010 09:55:39 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Friday 02 April 2010 23:28:26 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 21:50:09 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > > > Assuming your controller supports hotplugging, assuming you > > > > have a drive available to plug in, assuming

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 02 April 2010 23:28:26 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 21:50:09 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > > Assuming your controller supports hotplugging, assuming you have a > > > drive available to plug in, assuming you are able to physically add a > > > drive. > > > > sata can

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 02 April 2010 14:45:29 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Freitag 02 April 2010, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > Neil Bothwick [10-04-02 14:08]: > > > On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 13:04:53 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > > > only to be sure to have understood everything correctly: > > > > Sugge

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-03 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 18:01:50 -0400, stosss wrote: > I have been following this thread. I decided to research to do my own > comparisons of ext3, ext4, JFS and XFS. Why have you ignored reiser3 and reiser4? The former in particular is widely used. -- Neil Bothwick Pepperami. Its a bit of an ani

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread meino . cramer
stosss [10-04-03 05:31]: > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:47 PM, wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I googled down some - often fairly outdated - texts about "the > > best filesystem" fpr a Linux box. Other texts focussed on > > uses, which do not aplly to me: Fileservers, webservers, database > > machines  e

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Paul Hartman >> wrote: >>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann >>> wrote: On Freitag 02 April 2010, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Paul Hartman > wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann >> wrote: >>> On Freitag 02 April 2010, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:40:54 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread stosss
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:47 PM, wrote: > > Hi, > > I googled down some - often fairly outdated - texts about "the > best filesystem" fpr a Linux box. Other texts focussed on > uses, which do not aplly to me: Fileservers, webservers, database > machines  etc. > > Wnat I want is a fast and stable (

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann > wrote: >> On Freitag 02 April 2010, Neil Bothwick wrote: >>> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:40:54 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >>> > > LVM and RAID are completely different animals. No one su

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Freitag 02 April 2010, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:40:54 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> > > LVM and RAID are completely different animals. No one suggested using >> > > it for any reasons of data security, ru

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 21:50:09 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > Assuming your controller supports hotplugging, assuming you have a > > drive available to plug in, assuming you are able to physically add a > > drive. > > sata can hotplug. all ahci controlers can hotplug and all sata drives >

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 02 April 2010, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:40:54 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > > LVM and RAID are completely different animals. No one suggested using > > > it for any reasons of data security, running LVM on a RAID array > > > gives both security and flexibilit

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:40:54 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > LVM and RAID are completely different animals. No one suggested using > > it for any reasons of data security, running LVM on a RAID array > > gives both security and flexibility. As for being able to add space > > to RAID, you can

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 02 April 2010, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 14:45:29 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > seriously lvm sounds nice. But it isn't. It easily breaks. > > Do you have something to back that up? > > > You want a save setup? Go raid5 or raid6. As a bonus - you can get more >

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 14:45:29 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > seriously lvm sounds nice. But it isn't. It easily breaks. Do you have something to back that up? > You want a save setup? Go raid5 or raid6. As a bonus - you can get more > space if you need it by just adding another disk. And you

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:28:43 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> Then: I often transer videos from my DVB-T-receiver/recorder to my > >> harddisk to cut out the advertising and to transcode the videos to > >> somethings better than "ts" (transport streams), > >> > > These tend to be bigger, often in t

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Friday 02 April 2010 16:28:43 Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 21:09:30 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Then: I often transer videos from my DVB-T-receiver/recorder to my harddisk to cut out the advertising and to transcode

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:47 AM, wrote: > > Hi, > > I googled down some - often fairly outdated - texts about "the > best filesystem" fpr a Linux box. Other texts focussed on > uses, which do not aplly to me: Fileservers, webservers, database > machines  etc. > > Wnat I want is a fast and stable

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Ciprian Dorin, Craciun
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:09 PM, wrote: > [ ... snip ... ] > > So I have a lot of docs (specs of microcontrollers, howtos, programm > and source code docs...etc) on my disk. > This one part. I've seen that nobody mentioned JFS yet... :) In some benchmarks the best FS for most tasks is

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Mick
On Friday 02 April 2010 16:28:43 Dale wrote: > Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 21:09:30 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > >> Then: I often transer videos from my DVB-T-receiver/recorder to my > >> harddisk to cut out the advertising and to transcode the videos to > >> somethings bet

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 21:09:30 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Then: I often transer videos from my DVB-T-receiver/recorder to my harddisk to cut out the advertising and to transcode the videos to somethings better than "ts" (transport streams), These tend to be b

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 02 April 2010, William Kenworthy wrote: > My experience was with raid 0, while the higher raid redundancy will > shift the reliability figures back the other way. wrong. Raid0 is meant for 0 redudancy and reduced reliability for more performance. Before you start talking about Raid a

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread William Kenworthy
On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 14:45 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Freitag 02 April 2010, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > Neil Bothwick [10-04-02 14:08]: > > > On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 13:04:53 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > > > only to be sure to have understood everything correctly: > > > > Sug

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 02 April 2010, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Neil Bothwick [10-04-02 14:08]: > > On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 13:04:53 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > > only to be sure to have understood everything correctly: > > > Suggestion is to create for example one root partition and a swap > > > part

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread meino . cramer
Neil Bothwick [10-04-02 14:08]: > On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 13:04:53 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > > only to be sure to have understood everything correctly: > > Suggestion is to create for example one root partition and a swap > > partion. And I will create on big "rest of the disk"-partition.

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 13:04:53 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > only to be sure to have understood everything correctly: > Suggestion is to create for example one root partition and a swap > partion. And I will create on big "rest of the disk"-partition. > The last one will be subdivided with LVM

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread David W Noon
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:20:02 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem: [snip] >A question to LVM: As much as I know, LVM combines several partition >to one big partition, and if one partition fails, at least other >others of that volume are dam

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread meino . cramer
Neil Bothwick [10-04-02 12:48]: > On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:11:30 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > > A question to LVM: As much as I know, LVM combines several partition > > to one big partition, and if one partition fails, at least other > > others of that volume are damaged, too. > > It can b

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:11:30 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > A question to LVM: As much as I know, LVM combines several partition > to one big partition, and if one partition fails, at least other > others of that volume are damaged, too. It can be used that way, but you have only one disk, so

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread meino . cramer
William Kenworthy [10-04-02 11:32]: > On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 11:11 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > Neil Bothwick [10-04-02 10:52]: > > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 21:09:30 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > > > > > > So I have a lot of docs (specs of microcontrollers, howtos, programm > > > > a

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread William Kenworthy
On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 11:11 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Neil Bothwick [10-04-02 10:52]: > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 21:09:30 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > > > > So I have a lot of docs (specs of microcontrollers, howtos, programm > > > and source code docs...etc) on my disk. > > > This

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread meino . cramer
Neil Bothwick [10-04-02 10:52]: > On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 21:09:30 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > > So I have a lot of docs (specs of microcontrollers, howtos, programm > > and source code docs...etc) on my disk. > > This one part. > > Those are fairly normal files. > > > Then: I often transe

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 21:09:30 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > So I have a lot of docs (specs of microcontrollers, howtos, programm > and source code docs...etc) on my disk. > This one part. Those are fairly normal files. > Then: I often transer videos from my DVB-T-receiver/recorder to my > ha

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-01 Thread Dale
meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, thanks for all the input to all who have answered ! :) I will try to characterize ("characterise" ?) what I plan to do with my TByte disk. My current drive is 200GByte and it becomes too small... I DONT LIKE (read: hate) to put CDs or DVDs into my drive, to mount

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-01 Thread meino . cramer
Dale [10-04-01 20:36]: > meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I googled down some - often fairly outdated - texts about "the > >best filesystem" fpr a Linux box. Other texts focussed on > >uses, which do not aplly to me: Fileservers, webservers, database > >machines etc. > > > >Wnat I want is

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-01 Thread Dale
meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I googled down some - often fairly outdated - texts about "the best filesystem" fpr a Linux box. Other texts focussed on uses, which do not aplly to me: Fileservers, webservers, database machines etc. Wnat I want is a fast and stable (!) filesystem for a desktop

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-01 Thread Bartosz Szatkowski
Its kind of tricky question :) and if You look closely You could find som flames about it :P Iam using ReiserFS for my root and xfs for the rest and testing btrfs. I never gets any problem with "broken partition table" etc. (and i experienced several "quick power downs"). But reiserfs have some p

Re: [gentoo-user] OT:Choosing a filesystem

2010-04-01 Thread Michele Alzetta
I have been using reiserfs ( 3, not 4 ) for several years and have found it to recover without any problems from "dirty" shutdowns, at most I've had to use reiserfstools to fix the filesystem. I had no such luck with ext3, although as a journalled filesystem in theory it should do the same. I have