On Wednesday 08 Aug 2012 13:53:22 Dale wrote:
> I don't use USB for drives, except the USB stick thingys.
>
> I have a question sort of related to this. Anyone can share info. I
> see boxes that hold drives in them and connect via ethernet or something
> like that. Do those work really well?
Dale wrote:
> Hmmm, then I guess I didn't do something right the first time I tried
> cgdisk then. It said it wasn't aligned right but I couldn't figure out
> how to get it to do it. Then I used Gparted and it seemed to do it
> without me telling it anything. The only difference I saw was the
> lit
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 08:53:27 -0500
Dale wrote:
> Alex Schuster wrote:
> > Dale writes:
> >
> >> I have seen where people use dd to do this sort of thing to. I
> >> read somewhere that if you do a dd and put in all 1's, then all
> >> 0's then back again that it is very hard to get any data back o
Alex Schuster wrote:
> Dale writes:
>
>> I have seen where people use dd to do this sort of thing to. I read
>> somewhere that if you do a dd and put in all 1's, then all 0's then back
>> again that it is very hard to get any data back off the drive. I think
>> if you do it like over a dozen time
Dale writes:
> I have seen where people use dd to do this sort of thing to. I read
> somewhere that if you do a dd and put in all 1's, then all 0's then back
> again that it is very hard to get any data back off the drive. I think
> if you do it like over a dozen times, it is deemed impossible t
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:35:15 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>>> Do not use cfdisk on 2TB+ drives, it gives bad alignment. Use gdisk or
>>> cgdisk with GPT partition tables. Create a 1MB partition at the start
>>> of type EF02, which keeps backward compatibility, then partition as
>>> n
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:35:15 -0500, Dale wrote:
> > Do not use cfdisk on 2TB+ drives, it gives bad alignment. Use gdisk or
> > cgdisk with GPT partition tables. Create a 1MB partition at the start
> > of type EF02, which keeps backward compatibility, then partition as
> > normal.
> >
> > Note that
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 22:22:25 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> I used something called Gparted to partition this monster. This is
>> temporary tho. What should I be using to partition this thing? What is
>> the best, and easiest, tool for me to use? I have been using cfdisk in
>> t
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 22:22:25 -0500, Dale wrote:
> I used something called Gparted to partition this monster. This is
> temporary tho. What should I be using to partition this thing? What is
> the best, and easiest, tool for me to use? I have been using cfdisk in
> the past but it doesn't seem
Yohan Pereira wrote:
> On 08/08/12 at 10:22pm, Dale wrote:
>> I used something called Gparted to partition this monster. This is
>> temporary tho. What should I be using to partition this thing? What is
>> the best, and easiest, tool for me to use? I have been using cfdisk in
>> the past but it
On 08/08/12 at 10:22pm, Dale wrote:
> I used something called Gparted to partition this monster. This is
> temporary tho. What should I be using to partition this thing? What is
> the best, and easiest, tool for me to use? I have been using cfdisk in
> the past but it doesn't seem to work on th
Dale wrote:
> Not going to wear it out but going to make sure it survived the trip
> across the country while bouncing around in the box. :/ Check this
> out: Aug 8 12:46:47 localhost smartd[2083]: Device: /dev/sdd, type
> changed from 'scsi' to 'sat' Aug 8 12:46:47 localhost smartd[2083]:
> Device
Mark Knecht wrote:
> Now, don't you wear it out, you hear?!?!? ;-) If your machine runs all
> the time you can add smartctl runs as chron jobs that run at midnight
> and have the results emailed to you. Look at them once a week and
> other than an unpredictable catastrophic failure you'll likely kn
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Dale wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I finally got me a 3Tb drive on the way. Should be here Wednesday. I
>> have seen some reviews where it would not work right. I think some of
>> it may be BIOS related since some BIOS's don't like drives that large.
>> A
Dale wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> I finally got me a 3Tb drive on the way. Should be here Wednesday. I
> have seen some reviews where it would not work right. I think some of
> it may be BIOS related since some BIOS's don't like drives that large.
> Anyway, I want to test this thing real good to really
Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Dale wrote:
>> 4 or 5 hours huh. I guess drives are a lot faster now. Back in the
>> late 80's or early 90's, it took that long for those whimpy little 100Mb
>> drives. Ooops, my ages is showing again. lol
> I recently found a box of hard d
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Dale wrote:
> 4 or 5 hours huh. I guess drives are a lot faster now. Back in the
> late 80's or early 90's, it took that long for those whimpy little 100Mb
> drives. Ooops, my ages is showing again. lol
I recently found a box of hard drives in my house and have
Sent from my Android device.
On Aug 6, 2012 4:22 PM, "Paul Hartman"
wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Dale wrote:
> > Howdy,
> >
> > I finally got me a 3Tb drive on the way. Should be here Wednesday. I
> > have seen some reviews where it would not work right. I think some of
> > it may
Mick wrote:
> On Wednesday 08 Aug 2012 05:21:31 Adam Carter wrote:
>>> To wipe a drive use dban. - live CD which uses (US) gov approved
>>> standards of wipe methods/patterns.
>> Or shred, which comes with coreutils.
>>
>>> dd is only going to show sectors on a failed drive - too late!
>>>
>>> To e
On Wednesday 08 Aug 2012 05:21:31 Adam Carter wrote:
> > To wipe a drive use dban. - live CD which uses (US) gov approved
> > standards of wipe methods/patterns.
>
> Or shred, which comes with coreutils.
>
> > dd is only going to show sectors on a failed drive - too late!
> >
> > To explain, mod
On Wednesday 08 August 2012 01:32:55 Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Peter Humphrey
wrote:
> > On Tuesday 07 August 2012 23:39:05 Mark Knecht wrote:
> >> Dead out of the box is dead. However a drive failing in a couple
> >> of months _might_ have showed up in the smartctl out
William Kenworthy wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 23:18 -0500, Dale wrote:
>> William Kenworthy wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 21:19 -0500, Dale wrote:
Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Dale wrote:
> ...
>>> Goggle have a well known document
>>> (http://research.googl
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 23:18 -0500, Dale wrote:
> William Kenworthy wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 21:19 -0500, Dale wrote:
> >> Paul Hartman wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Dale wrote:
...
> > Goggle have a well known document
> > (http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pd
> To wipe a drive use dban. - live CD which uses (US) gov approved
> standards of wipe methods/patterns.
Or shred, which comes with coreutils.
> dd is only going to show sectors on a failed drive - too late!
>
> To explain, modern drives have a store of locations they can use to
> transparently r
William Kenworthy wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 21:19 -0500, Dale wrote:
>> Paul Hartman wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Dale wrote:
I didn't know you could do low level formats anymore. Really? What
package provides that? Hmmm, I'm thinking about those HOURS spent
fo
On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 14:02 +1000, Adam Carter wrote:
> > I have seen where people use dd to do this sort of thing to. I read
> > somewhere that if you do a dd and put in all 1's, then all 0's then back
> > again that it is very hard to get any data back off the drive. I think
> > if you do it li
> I have seen where people use dd to do this sort of thing to. I read
> somewhere that if you do a dd and put in all 1's, then all 0's then back
> again that it is very hard to get any data back off the drive. I think
> if you do it like over a dozen times, it is deemed impossible to get
> anythi
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 21:19 -0500, Dale wrote:
> Paul Hartman wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Dale wrote:
> >> I didn't know you could do low level formats anymore. Really? What
> >> package provides that? Hmmm, I'm thinking about those HOURS spent
> >> formatting a 100Mb drive and t
Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Dale wrote:
>> I didn't know you could do low level formats anymore. Really? What
>> package provides that? Hmmm, I'm thinking about those HOURS spent
>> formatting a 100Mb drive and then thinking about how long it will take
>> to do a 3Tb d
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 August 2012 23:39:05 Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>> Dead out of the box is dead. However a drive failing in a couple of
>> months _might_ have showed up in the smartctl output ...
>
> I wonder. Does anyone here know what most often cau
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Dale wrote:
> In
> the meantime, it is what it is.
I completely understand Dale, and I'm not picking on you. Just get
that second drive as soon as you can.
Cheers,
Mark
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Dale wrote:
>
> I didn't know you could do low level formats anymore. Really? What
> package provides that? Hmmm, I'm thinking about those HOURS spent
> formatting a 100Mb drive and then thinking about how long it will take
> to do a 3Tb drive. O_O I mean reall
On Tuesday 07 August 2012 23:39:05 Mark Knecht wrote:
> Dead out of the box is dead. However a drive failing in a couple of
> months _might_ have showed up in the smartctl output ...
I wonder. Does anyone here know what most often causes HD failure after
a couple of months? I imagine it's some c
Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Dale wrote:
>
>> Well, I don't want to force it to fail just for the heck of it.
> Of course...
>
>> I just
>> want to make sure it is not going to fail in the first few months of
>> use.
> But what you don't know about those failed drives is w
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Dale wrote:
> Well, I don't want to force it to fail just for the heck of it.
Of course...
> I just
> want to make sure it is not going to fail in the first few months of
> use.
But what you don't know about those failed drives is whether the user
could have pre
Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Dale wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I finally got me a 3Tb drive on the way. Should be here Wednesday. I
>> have seen some reviews where it would not work right. I think some of
>> it may be BIOS related since some BIOS's don't like drives that larg
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Dale wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> I finally got me a 3Tb drive on the way. Should be here Wednesday. I
> have seen some reviews where it would not work right. I think some of
> it may be BIOS related since some BIOS's don't like drives that large.
> Anyway, I want to test
On Monday 06 Aug 2012 11:48:50 Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote:
> On 06.08.2012 12:14, Dale wrote:
> > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> >> What do you gain if you abuse your drive so hard that its
> >> lifetime is severly impacted?
> >
> > That if it has a problem that will cause it to fail soon in it's
On Monday 06 Aug 2012 12:25:19 Dale wrote:
> What I have on there is videos. When I tried to compress some and test,
> it was basically the same size. I guess videos don't compress to much?
Not without transcoding the streams into more space efficient formats - but
you could well suffer from l
> What I have on there is videos. When I tried to compress some and test,
> it was basically the same size. I guess videos don't compress to much?
>
No videos don't compress well at all, compressing video files is just a
waste of cpu cycles :)
> When I put this in, I'm going to redo the whole
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 06:25:19 -0500, Dale wrote:
> While I am at it. You should have a good answer for this one. What is
> a good file system for this sort of thing? I been using ext4 but it
> sure does use a lot of space for its overhead.
My MythTV box used XFS, but I use ext4 on newer systems
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 04:42:17 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> P. S. What is a good way to back up something this large BESIDES
>> another drive the same size or larger?
> A smaller drive, backups can be compressed. Also, you don't need to
> backup everything, for example rips of DVDs
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 04:42:17 -0500, Dale wrote:
> P. S. What is a good way to back up something this large BESIDES
> another drive the same size or larger?
A smaller drive, backups can be compressed. Also, you don't need to
backup everything, for example rips of DVDs and CDs you own can be
recre
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On 06.08.2012 12:14, Dale wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>
>> What do you gain if you abuse your drive so hard that its
>> lifetime is severly impacted?
>>
>
> That if it has a problem that will cause it to fail soon in it's
> life, then I ca
Mick wrote:
> On Monday 06 Aug 2012 10:42:17 Dale wrote:
>
>> If it has a issue, hopefully
>> the test will bring that to the front now instead of later.
> Or it is just going to knacker your drive and make it fail earlier that it
> would otherwise (esp if you overheat it)? ha, ha!
Well, if it i
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>
> What do you gain if you abuse your drive so hard that its lifetime is
> severly impacted?
>
That if it has a problem that will cause it to fail soon in it's life,
then I can find it soon. Remember that curve about failures? I would
like to get past that first part
On Monday 06 Aug 2012 10:42:17 Dale wrote:
> If it has a issue, hopefully
> the test will bring that to the front now instead of later.
Or it is just going to knacker your drive and make it fail earlier that it
would otherwise (esp if you overheat it)? ha, ha!
> P. S. What is a good way to b
What do you gain if you abuse your drive so hard that its lifetime is
severly impacted?
Am 06.08.2012 11:47 schrieb "Dale" :
> Dale wrote:
> > Howdy,
> >
> > I finally got me a 3Tb drive on the way. Should be here Wednesday. I
> > have seen some reviews where it would not work right. I think so
Dale wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> I finally got me a 3Tb drive on the way. Should be here Wednesday. I
> have seen some reviews where it would not work right. I think some of
> it may be BIOS related since some BIOS's don't like drives that large.
> Anyway, I want to test this thing real good to really
hi
Dale wrote, at 08/05/2012 04:45 PM:
> Howdy,
>
>
> I have heard of bonnie and friends. I also think dd could do some
> testing too. Is there any other way to give this a good work and see if
> it holds up? Oh, helpful hints with Bonnie would be great too. I have
> never used it before. May
Dale writes:
> I finally got me a 3Tb drive on the way. Should be here Wednesday. I
> have seen some reviews where it would not work right. I think some of
> it may be BIOS related since some BIOS's don't like drives that large.
> Anyway, I want to test this thing real good to really make sure
On Kindle so hard to answer in depth. What about smartctl??? Let the
drive test itself.
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