On 3 November 2014 02:09:26 WET, Tom H wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Neil Bothwick
> wrote:
> >
> > That makes perfect sense. I still have systems using the old grub.
> It works
> > so why mess with it? However, I may give gummiboot a whirl,
> especially as
> > UEFI let's your multipl
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:46 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Sunday 02 November 2014 18:05:29 Tom H wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Peter Humphrey
>>>
>>> My grub-0.99 lets me choose from four kernels and two or three run
> levels
>>> at boot time, and grub-2 can't handle this yet, or it
On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
> That makes perfect sense. I still have systems using the old grub. It works
> so why mess with it? However, I may give gummiboot a whirl, especially as
> UEFI let's your multiple bootloader.
I use gummiboot on my laptop and like it, but it
On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
> wrote:
>>
>> You guys should check out the ELK stack:
>> http://www.elasticsearch.org/overview/
>>
>> Basically, transform logs to JSON with logstash, throw the JSON into
>> elastic search, a
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
wrote:
>
> You guys should check out the ELK stack:
> http://www.elasticsearch.org/overview/
>
> Basically, transform logs to JSON with logstash, throw the JSON into
> elastic search, and make plots with Kibana. We use it at work; it's
> absolutely
On Sunday 02 November 2014 18:05:29 Tom H wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Peter Humphrey
> > > My grub-0.99 lets me choose from four kernels and two or three run
levels
> > at boot time, and grub-2 can't handle this yet, or it couldn't the last
> > time I checked. I don't suggest that
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> The systemd line was always that if you wanted to ship your logs off
>> to another box, use rsyslog. So I've never understood the embedding of
>> an httpd in systemd. I guess that the httpd s
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Friday 31 October 2014 15:09:26 J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>
>> I've got a few systems where grub1 doesn't work. This is more likely caused
>> by some changes in used filesystems instead of any other cause.
>> If I really wanted to, I might ge
On 2 November 2014 13:14:56 WET, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> Am 01.11.2014 um 23:28 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
> > On 1 November 2014 17:19:18 WET, Peter Humphrey
> > wrote:
> >
> > On Saturday 01 November 2014 15:38:43 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> >
> > One useful feature for me is that gru
Am 01.11.2014 um 23:28 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
> On 1 November 2014 17:19:18 WET, Peter Humphrey
> wrote:
>
> On Saturday 01 November 2014 15:38:43 Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
> One useful feature for me is that grub2 will boot from an ISO
> image, I always keep system rescue cd imag
On 1 November 2014 17:19:18 WET, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Saturday 01 November 2014 15:38:43 Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
> > One useful feature for me is that grub2 will boot from an ISO image,
> I
> > always keep system rescue cd image in /boot.
>
> We all have our own ways of doing things. My eq
On Saturday 01 November 2014 15:38:43 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> One useful feature for me is that grub2 will boot from an ISO image, I
> always keep system rescue cd image in /boot.
We all have our own ways of doing things. My equivalent to that is to have a
small rescue system in its own partitio
On 11/01/2014 05:47 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
> wrote:
>> You guys should check out the ELK stack:
>> http://www.elasticsearch.org/overview/
>>
>> Basically, transform logs to JSON with logstash, throw the JSON into
>> elastic search, and make plo
On 1 November 2014 11:19:58 WET, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Friday 31 October 2014 20:26:57 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On 31 October 2014 16:16:33 WET, Peter Humphrey
> wrote:
> > > On Friday 31 October 2014 15:09:26 J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > > > I've got a few systems where grub1 doesn't work. This
On Friday 31 October 2014 20:26:57 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On 31 October 2014 16:16:33 WET, Peter Humphrey
wrote:
> > On Friday 31 October 2014 15:09:26 J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > > I've got a few systems where grub1 doesn't work. This is more likely
> >
> > caused
> >
> > > by some changes in used
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
wrote:
>
> You guys should check out the ELK stack:
> http://www.elasticsearch.org/overview/
>
> Basically, transform logs to JSON with logstash, throw the JSON into
> elastic search, and make plots with Kibana. We use it at work; it's
> absolutely
On 10/31/2014 06:30 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> The systemd line was always that if you wanted to ship your logs off
>> to another box, use rsyslog. So I've never understood the embedding of
>> an httpd in systemd. I guess that the httpd server's use
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Tom H wrote:
>
> The systemd line was always that if you wanted to ship your logs off
> to another box, use rsyslog. So I've never understood the embedding of
> an httpd in systemd. I guess that the httpd server's useful if if you
> want a basic send-the-logs-to-an
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 3:11 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> Thing is, I don't see any benefit, for myself, in systemd.
> If people want to use it, fine.
> But, if people are trying to force it upon everyone, then I will have a
> problem with it.
It cuts both ways. Let's assume that you want to use p
On 31 October 2014 16:16:33 WET, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Friday 31 October 2014 15:09:26 J. Roeleveld wrote:
>
> > I've got a few systems where grub1 doesn't work. This is more likely
> caused
> > by some changes in used filesystems instead of any other cause.
> > If I really wanted to, I migh
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>
> My grub-0.99 lets me choose from four kernels and two or three run levels at
> boot time, and grub-2 can't handle this yet, or it couldn't the last time I
> checked. I don't suggest that everyone has a similar need, but at least in
> some
Am 31.10.2014 um 17:16 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
> On Friday 31 October 2014 15:09:26 J. Roeleveld wrote:
>
>> I've got a few systems where grub1 doesn't work. This is more likely caused
>> by some changes in used filesystems instead of any other cause.
>> If I really wanted to, I might get it to wor
On Friday 31 October 2014 15:09:26 J. Roeleveld wrote:
> I've got a few systems where grub1 doesn't work. This is more likely caused
> by some changes in used filesystems instead of any other cause.
> If I really wanted to, I might get it to work, but I don't see the point in
> spending time on th
On Friday, October 31, 2014 07:05:58 AM Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 10/31/2014 3:11 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > Systemd is, in my opinion, suffering from the same feature-creep as Grub2
> > does. Grub1 was faster, because it was smaller. But it isn't working
> > propery anymore and Grub2 does its job
>
On 10/31/2014 3:11 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> Systemd is, in my opinion, suffering from the same feature-creep as Grub2
> does.
> Grub1 was faster, because it was smaller. But it isn't working propery
> anymore
> and Grub2 does its job
Eh?? Grub1 doesn't work properly any more?
News to me, and
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(There Is No Cabal!)
--
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On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 1:11 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Friday, October 31, 2014 12:37:35 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:30 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> > On Thursday, October 30, 2014 06:31:25 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:56 AM, J. Roeleveld
On Friday, October 31, 2014 12:37:35 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:30 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 30, 2014 06:31:25 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
> >> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:56 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, October 26, 2014 02:16:24 PM Can
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:30 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Thursday, October 30, 2014 06:31:25 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:56 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> > On Sunday, October 26, 2014 02:16:24 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> >> And with systemd, rebooting to a new kernel t
On Thursday, October 30, 2014 06:31:25 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:56 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 26, 2014 02:16:24 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> >> And with systemd, rebooting to a new kernel takes just a few seconds ;)
> >
> > And here I was thinking
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:56 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Sunday, October 26, 2014 02:16:24 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> And with systemd, rebooting to a new kernel takes just a few seconds ;)
>
> And here I was thinking that the pro-systemd crowd doesn't care about the
> boot-time of systemd?
On Sunday, October 26, 2014 02:16:24 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> And with systemd, rebooting to a new kernel takes just a few seconds ;)
And here I was thinking that the pro-systemd crowd doesn't care about the
boot-time of systemd?
(See the " [OT} Linus Torvalds on systemd" thread around 18
> On Oct 27, 2014, at 3:54, wrote:
>
> Am Sonntag, 26.10.2014 um 21:35
> schrieb Alec Ten Harmsel :
>
>>
>>> On 10/26/2014 07:41 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>> Keep it up, my dear Volker. You are really good for a few laughs.
>>
>> No. Neither of you should keep it up.
>>
>> You made a s
Am Sonntag, 26.10.2014 um 21:35
schrieb Alec Ten Harmsel :
>
> On 10/26/2014 07:41 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> > Keep it up, my dear Volker. You are really good for a few laughs.
>
> No. Neither of you should keep it up.
>
> You made a small comment about systemd being so fast that reboot
On 10/26/2014 07:41 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> Keep it up, my dear Volker. You are really good for a few laughs.
No. Neither of you should keep it up.
You made a small comment about systemd being so fast that rebooting
doesn't matter. I tried to downplay that by stating that my laptop is
Am Sonntag, 26.10.2014 um 17:41
schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés :
> I don't care what do you say, how do you think I'm acting or how do
> you "treat" me. As others have said in others threads (with less kind
> words), you are kind of a joke for many of us in this list.
I really like to read Volkers p
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> Am 26.10.2014 um 22:16 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>> wrote:
>>> Am 26.10.2014 um 21:16 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
Am 26.10.2014 um 22:10 schrieb Alec Ten Harmsel:
> On 10/26/2014 04:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
>> wrote:
>>> On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
> I've been using
Am 26.10.2014 um 22:16 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
> wrote:
>> Am 26.10.2014 um 21:16 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
>>> wrote:
On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>
On 26/10/2014 23:23, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> Must be nice; my laptop is so old that it boots slowly regardless of my
>> > choice of init system.
> You should try getting it an SSD. It brings back old laptops from the
> grave: most desktop software has been I/O bound for some time, and
> with
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
>
> Keep your stupid propaganda to yourself. Thank you.
>
Oh, wonderful, we haven't had a systemd flamewar in a whole week.
Please respect the code of conduct. That goes for everybody.
While not contrary to the code of conduct, I'd p
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
wrote:
>
> On 10/26/2014 04:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
>> wrote:
>>> On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
> I've
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> Am 26.10.2014 um 21:16 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
>> wrote:
>>> On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
> I'
On 10/26/2014 04:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
> wrote:
>> On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
I remember re
Am 26.10.2014 um 21:16 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
> wrote:
>> On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
I remember re
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Alexander Kapshuk
> wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
>>> wrote:
On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volke
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 26/10/2014 22:21, Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
>>> wrote:
On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Alexander Kapshuk
wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés
> wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kap
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>> I've been using vanilla-sources since September 2009, in all my
>> machines. I use systemd, so having the latest kernel version doesn't
>> hurt; a new vanilla-sources version i
On 26/10/2014 22:21, Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés
> wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
> I
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
> wrote:
>>
>> On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
> I've been using vanilla-sources since September 2009, in all my
> machines. I use systemd, so having the latest kernel version doesn't
> hurt; a new vanilla-sources version is usually ready a few hours after
> Linus releases a new ker
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel
wrote:
>
> On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
>>> I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
>>>
>>> I remember reading on this list about some users using alternative
>>> k
On 10/26/2014 03:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
>> I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
>>
>> I remember reading on this list about some users using alternative
>> kernels on their gentoo systems. My understanding is that amongst s
On 10/26/2014 08:43 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Giuseppe Pappalardo
>> wrote:
>>> On 10/26/2014 08:23 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
As to how do I maintain them, I wrote a littl
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 9:47 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
>> I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
>>
>> I remember reading on this list about some users using alternative
>> kernels on their gentoo systems. My understanding is that
Am 26.10.2014 um 20:09 schrieb Alexander Kapshuk:
> I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
>
> I remember reading on this list about some users using alternative
> kernels on their gentoo systems. My understanding is that amongst some
> of the other alternatives, besides the genkernel, whi
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Giuseppe Pappalardo
> wrote:
>> On 10/26/2014 08:23 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> As to how do I maintain them, I wrote a little utility that I've been
>>> using from the last year or so:
>
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Giuseppe Pappalardo
wrote:
> On 10/26/2014 08:23 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>>
>> As to how do I maintain them, I wrote a little utility that I've been
>> using from the last year or so:
>>
>> https://github.com/canek-pelaez/kerninst
>>
>> With it, after I i
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Alexander Kapshuk
> wrote:
>> I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
>>
>> I remember reading on this list about some users using alternative
>> kernels on their gentoo systems. My understandin
On 10/26/2014 08:23 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
>
> As to how do I maintain them, I wrote a little utility that I've been
> using from the last year or so:
>
> https://github.com/canek-pelaez/kerninst
>
> With it, after I install a new kernel using the normal portage
> procedure, I just do
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Alexander Kapshuk
wrote:
> I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
>
> I remember reading on this list about some users using alternative
> kernels on their gentoo systems. My understanding is that amongst some
> of the other alternatives, besides the genke
I've been using gentoo-sources for a while now.
I remember reading on this list about some users using alternative
kernels on their gentoo systems. My understanding is that amongst some
of the other alternatives, besides the genkernel, which I'm not
interested in using, are vanilla-sources availab
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