On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:20:29PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
> No no no! LiLo, on a six year old machine actually works well. It does
> exactly what it says on the packet, i.e. it boots up the machine, and
> nothing more. I use LiLo, mainly to avoid the complexities of Grub.
> --
> Alan M
On Thu, 21 May 2015 09:19:26 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> >> You mean: copy grub.conf to grub.cfg and change its syntax to suit
> >> GRUB2? I'm well used to hand editing grub.conf, so it'll be no big
> >> change to operate on grub.cfg instead. I can cope with that.
> >
> > You'd need to run grub
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 21 May 2015 12:44:42 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>
>> > If you're just going to hand-edit your config file, I don't see much
>> > point in sticking this stuff in /etc/grub.d. Just hand-edit your
>> > config file and forget about gru
On Thu, 21 May 2015 13:10:02 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > You mean: copy grub.conf to grub.cfg and change its syntax to suit
> > GRUB2? I'm well used to hand editing grub.conf, so it'll be no big
> > change to operate on grub.cfg instead. I can cope with that.
>
> You'd need to run grub2-mkc
On Thu, 21 May 2015 07:34:58 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> > Also, you need to copy 40_custom and then add your lines to that.
> > This is because files in /etc/grub.d are executed, so it needs to be
> > a shell script.
> If you're just going to hand-edit your config file, I don't see much
> point
On Thu, 21 May 2015 12:44:42 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > If you're just going to hand-edit your config file, I don't see much
> > point in sticking this stuff in /etc/grub.d. Just hand-edit your
> > config file and forget about grub2-mkconfig.
>
> You mean: copy grub.conf to grub.cfg and
On Thursday 21 May 2015 07:34:58 Rich Freeman wrote:
> If you're just going to hand-edit your config file, I don't see much
> point in sticking this stuff in /etc/grub.d. Just hand-edit your
> config file and forget about grub2-mkconfig.
You mean: copy grub.conf to grub.cfg and change its syntax
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 4:33 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> That's a GRUB1 file, GRUB2 uses a different syntax so your first entry
> would become
>
> menuentry "Gentoo Linux 3.18.12" {
> linux /boot/kernel-x86_64-3.18.12-gentoo root=/dev/md5 net.ifnames=0 irqpoll
> }
Correct.
>
> Also, you need to
On Thu, 21 May 2015 09:13:44 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> This is my grub.conf (copied in from my e-mail yesterday):
>
> root (hd0,0)
> timeout 10
> default 0
> fallback 3
> color white/blue black/light-gray
> splashimage /grub/splash.xpm.gz
>
> title=Gentoo Linux 3.18.12
> kernel /boo
On Wednesday 20 May 2015 21:35:11 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2015 16:08:53 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > I followed the instructions in
> > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2_Migration, after copying my
> > grub.conf as you suggested, but when I rebooted, the GRUB2 menu text
> > was m
On Wed, 20 May 2015 16:08:53 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> I followed the instructions in
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2_Migration, after copying my
> grub.conf as you suggested, but when I rebooted, the GRUB2 menu text
> was minuscule, it only included one of the five kernel lines it shoul
On Wed, 20 May 2015 16:46:26 +, Bob Wya wrote:
> Personally I feel the Grub 2 OS detection script sucks really badly. So
> much so that I completely re-wrote it so I got proper entries for my
> various Windows installs (version accurately detected using chntpw) and
> multiple Linux distros (s
On 20 May 2015 18:46:26 CEST, Bob Wya wrote:
>On Wed, 20 May 2015 16:09 Peter Humphrey wrote:
>
>
>I followed the instructions in
>https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2_Migration
>,
>after copying my grub.conf as you suggested, but when I rebooted, the
>GRUB2
>menu text was minuscule, it only includ
On Wed, 20 May 2015 16:09 Peter Humphrey wrote:
I followed the instructions in https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2_Migration
,
after copying my grub.conf as you suggested, but when I rebooted, the GRUB2
menu text was minuscule, it only included one of the five kernel lines it
should have, and wh
On Wednesday 20 May 2015 15:26:59 I wrote:
> Looks like I don't have much of an excuse now. I'll think of something
> though... ;-)
Never a truer word...
I followed the instructions in https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2_Migration,
after copying my grub.conf as you suggested, but when I reboote
On Wednesday 20 May 2015 13:08:42 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2015 13:01:20 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > You should really consider moving to GRUB2 though.
> >
> > Last time I looked, it couldn't handle all the kernels and options I
> > have.
>
> GRUB2 can handle anything GRUB1 ca
On Wed, 20 May 2015 09:24:12 -0400, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> > > Thanks, does the 1mb partition have to have anything in it?
> >
> > No. If doesn't even need a filesystem, just create the partition with
> > the correct type and GRUB will work.
>
> I have been usinglilo, so till I need
On Wed, 20 May 2015 14:29:27 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > > Thanks, does the 1mb partition have to have anything in it?
> >
> > No. If doesn't even need a filesystem, just create the partition with
> > the correct type and GRUB will work.
>
> From what I recall gdisk just starts at sector 2048, do
On Wednesday 20 May 2015 13:55:27 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2015 08:21:34 -0400, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> > > If you want to be able to use UEFI, you need to use GPT. UEFI needs a
> > > FAT partition at the start of the drive, type FE00, but booting a GPT
> > > disk with MBR requi
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2015 08:21:34 -0400, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
>
> > > If you want to be able to use UEFI, you need to use GPT. UEFI needs a
> > > FAT partition at the start of the drive, type FE00, but booting a GPT
> > > disk with MBR requires a small BIOS boot partiti
On Wed, 20 May 2015 08:21:34 -0400, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> > If you want to be able to use UEFI, you need to use GPT. UEFI needs a
> > FAT partition at the start of the drive, type FE00, but booting a GPT
> > disk with MBR requires a small BIOS boot partition, type EF02, at the
> > start o
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2015 06:51:53 -0400, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
>
> > > You should really consider moving to GRUB2 though. I don't know about
> > > legacy GRUB, but GRUB2 can handle your boot partition being on btrfs.
> > > I still left space on my drives for a boot part
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:56:36PM +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 May 2015 11:23:21 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 May 2015 10:42:41 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > No, it's only new SSDs, not the whole system, which is six years old.
> > > Does that mean my choice is restri
On Wed, 20 May 2015 13:01:20 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > You should really consider moving to GRUB2 though.
>
> Last time I looked, it couldn't handle all the kernels and options I
> have.
GRUB2 can handle anything GRUB1 can. You probably mean that
grub2-mkconfig couldn't do what you want
On Wed, 20 May 2015 06:51:53 -0400, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> > You should really consider moving to GRUB2 though. I don't know about
> > legacy GRUB, but GRUB2 can handle your boot partition being on btrfs.
> > I still left space on my drives for a boot partition anyway, since it
> > will b
On Wednesday 20 May 2015 06:26:08 Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 5:42 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > No, it's only new SSDs, not the whole system, which is six years old. Does
> > that mean my choice is restricted to just the two versions of GRUB?
>
> Well, you could always use sysl
On Wednesday 20 May 2015 11:23:21 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2015 10:42:41 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > No, it's only new SSDs, not the whole system, which is six years old.
> > Does that mean my choice is restricted to just the two versions of GRUB?
>
> No, you could use LiLo ;-)
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 5:42 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> >
> > No, it's only new SSDs, not the whole system, which is six years old. Does
> > that mean my choice is restricted to just the two versions of GRUB?
> >
>
> Well, you could always use syslinux or something else.
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 5:42 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>
> No, it's only new SSDs, not the whole system, which is six years old. Does
> that mean my choice is restricted to just the two versions of GRUB?
>
Well, you could always use syslinux or something else. However, GRUB
is probably your best
On Wed, 20 May 2015 10:42:41 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> No, it's only new SSDs, not the whole system, which is six years old.
> Does that mean my choice is restricted to just the two versions of GRUB?
No, you could use LiLo ;-)
--
Neil Bothwick
System halted - hit any Microsoft employee t
On Wed, 20 May 2015 06:19:52 -0400, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:
> I do not find grub2 complicated, although I've never had a setup with
> LVM or RAID. It's always just been:
It's not more complicated, just different.
> grub-install --recheck /dev/sda
> # cosmetic changes to /etc/default/grub
On 05/20/2015 05:23 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2015 10:16:09 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>
>> Which reminds me: can anyone here confirm whether grub-legacy can
>> handle GPT? I'm getting close to building my new system and I don't
>> want to change too many things at once. By whic
On Wednesday 20 May 2015 10:23:55 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2015 10:16:09 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > Which reminds me: can anyone here confirm whether grub-legacy can
> > handle GPT? I'm getting close to building my new system and I don't
> > want to change too many things at once
On Wed, 20 May 2015 10:16:09 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> Which reminds me: can anyone here confirm whether grub-legacy can
> handle GPT? I'm getting close to building my new system and I don't
> want to change too many things at once. By which I mean that I'm going
> to try btrfs (my fingers wi
On Sunday 17 May 2015 10:09:11 Rich Freeman wrote:
> Just a few clarifications below.
>
> One thing this discussion is missing is any mention of BIOS / EFI.
Which reminds me: can anyone here confirm whether grub-legacy can handle GPT?
I'm getting close to building my new system and I don't want
Am 2015-05-19 um 22:17 schrieb Rich Freeman:
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:23 PM, wrote:
>>
>> Do you know if the Samsung 850 evo or similar are considered brain-dead?
>>
>
> That's what I'm using, and I couldn't find anything too useful on
> Google, so I might just test it out.
wow, that thread
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:23 PM, wrote:
>
> Do you know if the Samsung 850 evo or similar are considered brain-dead?
>
That's what I'm using, and I couldn't find anything too useful on
Google, so I might just test it out.
--
Rich
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> Hmm. Looks like I'm hijacking Nuno's thread. Apologies if that's ruffled any
> feathers, but I think I'm still on-topic, more or less, and he may still be
> interested in the conversation.
No sweat, i intend to get an SSD for my laptop. It
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:22 AM, wrote:
> > On Tue, May 19 2015, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> >
> >> On Tuesday 19 May 2015 10:53:26 Rich Freeman wrote:
> >>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Peter Humphrey
> >> wrote:
> >>> > Incidentally, what's the received wisdom on freq
On Tue, May 19 2015, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:22 AM, wrote:
>> On Tue, May 19 2015, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday 19 May 2015 10:53:26 Rich Freeman wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Peter Humphrey
>>> wrote:
> Incidentally, what's the received
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:22 AM, wrote:
> On Tue, May 19 2015, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday 19 May 2015 10:53:26 Rich Freeman wrote:
>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Peter Humphrey
>> wrote:
>>> > Incidentally, what's the received wisdom on frequency of file-system
>>> > trimming
On Tue, May 19 2015, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 May 2015 10:53:26 Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Peter Humphrey
> wrote:
>> > Incidentally, what's the received wisdom on frequency of file-system
>> > trimming on SSDs these days? I've seen values quoted betwee
Am Tue, 19 May 2015 10:53:26 -0400
schrieb Rich Freeman :
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Peter Humphrey
> wrote:
> >
> > Incidentally, what's the received wisdom on frequency of file-system
> > trimming
> > on SSDs these days? I've seen values quoted between twice a day and once a
> > week
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 May 2015 10:53:26 Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Peter Humphrey
> wrote:
>> > Incidentally, what's the received wisdom on frequency of file-system
>> > trimming on SSDs these days? I've seen values q
On Tuesday 19 May 2015 10:53:26 Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Peter Humphrey
wrote:
> > Incidentally, what's the received wisdom on frequency of file-system
> > trimming on SSDs these days? I've seen values quoted between twice a day
> > and once a week. And how does tri
On Tuesday 19 May 2015 10:53:26 Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Peter Humphrey
wrote:
> > Incidentally, what's the received wisdom on frequency of file-system
> > trimming on SSDs these days? I've seen values quoted between twice a day
> > and once a week. And how does tri
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>
> Incidentally, what's the received wisdom on frequency of file-system trimming
> on SSDs these days? I've seen values quoted between twice a day and once a
> week. And how does trimming affect btrfs?
>
I've been trimming mine daily, and I
On Tuesday 19 May 2015 08:54:26 Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 6:13 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 May 2015 10:02:38 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> >> > skip mdadm and lvm ... and try btrfs as you have the chance on shiny
> >> > new hardware
> >>
> >> I also have a spare e
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 6:13 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 19 May 2015 10:02:38 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>
>> > skip mdadm and lvm ... and try btrfs as you have the chance on shiny
>> > new hardware
>>
>> I also have a spare external hard disk, which I could experiment with
>> for snapsho
On Tue, 19 May 2015 10:02:38 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > skip mdadm and lvm ... and try btrfs as you have the chance on shiny
> > new hardware
>
> I also have a spare external hard disk, which I could experiment with
> for snapshots etc.
Snapshots are subvolumes in btrfs, so they stay in
On Sunday 17 May 2015 21:36:57 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 2015-05-17 um 18:05 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
> > Maybe I will. I suspect dodgy disks and I have a pair of new SSDs on the
> > way. Perhaps it's time for a rethink.
>
> perhaps one more thought to be thought right now:
(I overlooked th
On 18/05/2015 20:21, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On the other hand, both btrfs and zfs will get you a level of data
>> security that you simply won't get from ext4+lvm+mdadm - protection
>> from silent corruption.
>
> That's one of the advantage
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On the other hand, both btrfs and zfs will get you a level of data
>> security that you simply won't get from ext4+lvm+mdadm - protection
>> from silent corruption.
>
> That's one of t
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On the other hand, both btrfs and zfs will get you a level of data
> security that you simply won't get from ext4+lvm+mdadm - protection
> from silent corruption.
That's one of the advantages i see in ZFS. Do you use it frequently?
Can anyone
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 6:08 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
>
> There were problems with btrfs and the kernel a few months ago (Rich
> Freeman was hit by that, maybe he chimes in here), but in general for me
> it is still a very positive experience.
>
It is nowhere near the stability of ext4. I
On Sun, 17 May 2015 12:48:58 +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> I want to use mdadm to create a RAID1 with 2 SATA disks. From what i
> gather, i'll need (bootable) 0xFD partitions, i'll use full disk for
> them and no separate /boot (unless required). Is GPT required or can i
> stick to MBR? Is fdisk
btrfs... ZFS... dunno... we'll see ;)
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
>
> As you ordered 2 ssds right now this seems a perfect opportunity to
> start over and test something "new" (btrfs is in the linux kernel since
> 2009).
SSDs? Nope... not yet, maybe when i use t
On 17.05.2015 22:48, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
>> tl;dr ... maybe you listed some reason to stick with mdadm/lvm2/xfs etc
>> ... sorry in that case
>
> I didn't. 2 disks with RAID1/LVM, 2 disks (maybe) with ZFS. Pairs
> because by board h
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> tl;dr ... maybe you listed some reason to stick with mdadm/lvm2/xfs etc
> ... sorry in that case
I didn't. 2 disks with RAID1/LVM, 2 disks (maybe) with ZFS. Pairs
because by board has 2 SATA channels, otherwise i'd go RAID5 and gain
a
Am 2015-05-17 um 18:05 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
> Maybe I will. I suspect dodgy disks and I have a pair of new SSDs on the way.
> Perhaps it's time for a rethink.
perhaps one more thought to be thought right now:
skip mdadm and lvm ... and try btrfs as you have the chance on shiny new
hardware
On Sunday 17 May 2015 10:09:11 Rich Freeman wrote:
--->8
> Most people using openrc are also using systemd-udev (and there is a
> good chance you do too). The latter was previously named udev and
> long predates what most people call systemd. Eudev is a fork of udev,
> which comes from after it c
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 10:35 AM, wrote:
>
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>
> > Just a few clarifications below.
> >
> > One thing this discussion is missing is any mention of BIOS / EFI.
> > Most of the discussion below seems most relevant to a legacy BIOS
> > installation. Many specialized Gentoo insta
Rich Freeman wrote:
> Just a few clarifications below.
>
> One thing this discussion is missing is any mention of BIOS / EFI.
> Most of the discussion below seems most relevant to a legacy BIOS
> installation. Many specialized Gentoo install docs, like mdadm+lvm,
> don't really make mention of
Just a few clarifications below.
One thing this discussion is missing is any mention of BIOS / EFI.
Most of the discussion below seems most relevant to a legacy BIOS
installation. Many specialized Gentoo install docs, like mdadm+lvm,
don't really make mention of EFI, or other more recent developm
On Sunday 17 May 2015 12:48:58 Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> I want to use mdadm to create a RAID1 with 2 SATA disks. From what i
> gather, i'll need (bootable) 0xFD partitions, i'll use full disk for
> them and no separate /boot (unless required). Is GPT required or can i
> stick to MBR? Is fdisk safe
Hello Gentoo World,
TL;DR warning
I've tested Gentoo and liked it, tried to tune it a bit and borked it. :)
I want to use mdadm to create a RAID1 with 2 SATA disks. From what i
gather, i'll need (bootable) 0xFD partitions, i'll use full disk for
them and no separate /boot (unless required). Is
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