Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-26 Thread sam new
thanks mick ,I am afraid that is not my meaning, it is not about how to install gentoo . where the frist system come from ,does it build using the > Assembly language or machine language? I mean just give you X86 hardware > and power , no OS, no livd cd . how to build On 26 November 2010 16:58,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-26 Thread sam new
thanks mick ,that not my meaning, it is not about how to install gentoo On 26 November 2010 16:58, Mick wrote: > On Friday 26 November 2010 06:07:58 sam new wrote: > > Thanks all, I have a question , when we build the system, always use > host > > client to build the toolchain , then GCC Glibc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-26 Thread Mick
On Friday 26 November 2010 06:07:58 sam new wrote: > Thanks all, I have a question , when we build the system, always use host > client to build the toolchain , then GCC Glibc ...kernel some unity ... > from source ,but where the frist system come from ,does it build using the > Assembly language

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-25 Thread sam new
power , no OS, no livd cd . I am afraid it is out of this topic.but it always puzzled me :-) On 26 November 2010 03:47, Mick wrote: > On Thursday 25 November 2010 17:40:08 David W Noon wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:10:02 +0100, sam new wrote about Re: > > > > [gentoo-u

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-25 Thread Mick
On Thursday 25 November 2010 17:40:08 David W Noon wrote: > On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:10:02 +0100, sam new wrote about Re: > > [gentoo-user] Re: i486: > >I have try LFS (linux from scratch) ,and install gentoo use > >stage3 .Does the stage1 installs like that,Compile the toolc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-25 Thread David W Noon
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:10:02 +0100, sam new wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486: >I have try LFS (linux from scratch) ,and install gentoo use >stage3 .Does the stage1 installs like that,Compile the toolchain and >build the system? Yes, You have to use the bootstrap compiler to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-25 Thread sam new
I have try LFS (linux from scratch) ,and install gentoo use stage3 .Does the stage1 installs like that,Compile the toolchain and build the system? On 24 November 2010 23:58, David W Noon wrote: > On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:10:01 +0100, sam new wrote about Re: > [gentoo-user] Re: i486: >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-24 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:10:01 +0100, sam new wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486: >still do stage 1 installs? sounds good ,any guide or tutorial? If you need a tutorial then you aren't ready for doing a stage 1. Do a few stage 3 installs first and you will get the hang of what goes in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:52:19 + (UTC), James wrote: > Take a look here: > > http://www.twam.info/hardware/chost-i586-vs-i486-on-amd-geode-lx So 486 is equal to 586 on most tests but better on some and worse on none. As far as the Geode LX is concerned, that makes the choice a no-brainer. On t

[gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-24 Thread James
Neil Bothwick digimed.co.uk> writes: > The Geode LX runs badly on i586 instructions. Take a look here: http://www.twam.info/hardware/chost-i586-vs-i486-on-amd-geode-lx > > OK, it is as I suspected, only use i586 in lieu of i486, > > but with this stage-3 file: > > > > stage3-i486-20101116.ta

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-24 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday 24 November 2010 11:23:48 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:53:02 +, David W Noon wrote: > > >Apparently it's not quite a full i686. The research I did at the time > > >indicated that using anything higher than i486 was asking for > > >problems. > > > > I am a little s

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:45:59 +, David W Noon wrote: > >This clearly will not work with a k6 processor > >or the Geode LX. Recall, I want one set of settings > >for the make.conf file > > That part of my follow-up was intended for Neil Bothwick, as I was > replying to a message of his.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:53:02 +, David W Noon wrote: > >Apparently it's not quite a full i686. The research I did at the time > >indicated that using anything higher than i486 was asking for > >problems. > > I am a little surprised by that. I ran a couple of K6-3 boxes for some > few years

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:06:44 +0800, sam new wrote: > still do stage 1 installs? sounds good ,any guide or tutorial? Yes, don't do it :) -- Neil Bothwick Anyone able to feel pain is trainable. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread sam new
still do stage 1 installs? sounds good ,any guide or tutorial? On 24 November 2010 06:45, David W Noon wrote: > On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:10:02 +0100, James wrote about [gentoo-user] Re: > i486: > > >David W Noon ntlworld.com> writes: > > > > > >> Try using

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread David W Noon
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:10:02 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486: >On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:36:49 +, David W Noon wrote: > >> >CFLAGS="-O2 -march=geode -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" >> >CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" >> >CHOS

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:12:53 + (UTC), James wrote: > ???( and I have to vet against what the Geode LX can handle, > as that is not yet clear to me either... besides > I think all of these get set, automatically with the > march=i586 setting, so as to be redundant.? The Geode LX runs badl

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread David W Noon
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:10:02 +0100, James wrote about [gentoo-user] Re: i486: >David W Noon ntlworld.com> writes: > > >> Try using i686 instead. > >This clearly will not work with a k6 processor >or the Geode LX. Recall, I want one set of settings >for the make.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:36:49 +, David W Noon wrote: > >CFLAGS="-O2 -march=geode -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" > >CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" > >CHOST="i486-pc-linux-gnu" > > Try using i686 instead. > > >flags : fpu de pse tsc msr cx8 pge cmov mmx mmxext 3dnowext > > You have CMOV and M

[gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread James
David W Noon ntlworld.com> writes: > Try using i686 instead. This clearly will not work with a k6 processor or the Geode LX. Recall, I want one set of settings for the make.conf file > flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge > mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread David W Noon
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:10:02 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486: >On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:09:59 + (UTC), James wrote: > >> (I forgot about the geode board.) The Geode is >> one I'm not too sure about. > >My Viglen MPC-L, which I think i

[gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread James
Volker Armin Hemmann googlemail.com> writes: > no, that would be > CHOST="i586-pc-linux-gnu" CHOST="i586-pc-linux-gnu" CFLAGS="-Os -march=i586 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" USE="-* -nls ncurses ssl crypt berkdb perl pcre \ python readline zlib bzip2 nptl nptlonly syslog" An

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Tuesday 23 November 2010, James wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann googlemail.com> writes: > > make that i586 > > > > > CFLAGS="-Os -march=??? -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" > > > CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" > > so that would be: > CHOST="i486-pc-linux-gnu" > CFLAGS="-Os -march=i586 -pipe -fomit-frame-point

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:09:59 + (UTC), James wrote: > (I forgot about the geode board.) The Geode is > one I'm not too sure about. My Viglen MPC-L, which I think is a Geode LX, uses CFLAGS="-O2 -march=geode -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" CHOST="i486-pc-linux-gnu" % cat /pr

[gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread James
Volker Armin Hemmann googlemail.com> writes: > make that i586 > > CFLAGS="-Os -march=??? -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" > > CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" so that would be: CHOST="i486-pc-linux-gnu" CFLAGS="-Os -march=i586 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" Remember the purpose is to install