Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-25 Thread Daniel Wagener
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:06:17 +1100 Gregory Shearman wrote: > Even if you didn't see the message and your system didn't boot then you > could still fix things by using your Minimal Install CD to start up, > then chroot into your normal system and rebuild your kernel. Well, you could… But as i dro

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:10:45 -0600 »Q« wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:45:33 +0200 > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > [about udev and CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y] > > A news item about this is coming down the wire very soon now (aka > > within hours judging by the thread on -dev). > > It's there now. Among ot

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 23 January 2013 20:10:45 »Q« wrote: > Of course there's no substitute for paying attention, but it's nice to > get a news item, even nicer if it comes before things hit stable. Indeed. -- Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 23 January 2013 11:06:17 Gregory Shearman wrote: > Even if you didn't see the message ...as I didn't... > and your system didn't boot ...as mine didn't... > then you could still fix things by using your Minimal Install CD to start > up, then chroot into your normal system and rebu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:06:17 +1100, Gregory Shearman wrote: > > That's fine if you see the message, which you should, and the system > > does not suffer an unplanned reboot, which it shouldn't. But leaving a > > system in a state that won't reboot following a crash or power > > failure is not part

[gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-23 Thread »Q«
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:45:33 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: [about udev and CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y] > A news item about this is coming down the wire very soon now (aka > within hours judging by the thread on -dev). It's there now. Among other things, it mentions checking the /dev entry in fstab, if the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:10:44 +0200 Thanasis wrote: > on 01/23/2013 04:41 AM »Q« wrote the following: > > On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:57:59 + > > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > >> On Sunday 20 January 2013 08:51:43 Philip Webb wrote: > >>> I just tried upgrading to udev-197 , which is supposed to b

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-23 Thread Thanasis
on 01/23/2013 01:10 PM Thanasis wrote the following: > on 01/23/2013 04:41 AM »Q« wrote the following: >> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:57:59 + >> Peter Humphrey wrote: >> >>> On Sunday 20 January 2013 08:51:43 Philip Webb wrote: I just tried upgrading to udev-197 , which is supposed to be

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-23 Thread Thanasis
on 01/23/2013 04:41 AM »Q« wrote the following: > On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:57:59 + > Peter Humphrey wrote: > >> On Sunday 20 January 2013 08:51:43 Philip Webb wrote: >>> I just tried upgrading to udev-197 , which is supposed to be >>> stable. There were multiple problems & I'm now back with u

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-23 Thread Gregory Shearman
In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:29:19 +0100, Matthias Hanft wrote: > >> Good idea, but as I updated udev yesterday on one of my Gentoo systems, >> in the usual after-update messages there was a line in red, telling me >> "You don't have CONFIG_DEVTMPFS enabled. udev will

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:29:19 +0100, Matthias Hanft wrote: > > This got me too. Now there's a discussion in -dev about making config > > warnings fatal. > > Good idea, but as I updated udev yesterday on one of my Gentoo systems, > in the usual after-update messages there was a line in red, tell

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-23 Thread Matthias Hanft
»Q« wrote: > Peter Humphrey wrote: >> My daily update pulled in udev-197-r3. The installation went smoothly >> but I decided I ought to reboot to check that I could. I couldn't. >> Udev couldn't start because my kernel config didn't have >> CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y. So I booted my rescue system on the sa

[gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-22 Thread »Q«
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:57:59 + Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sunday 20 January 2013 08:51:43 Philip Webb wrote: > > I just tried upgrading to udev-197 , which is supposed to be > > stable. There were multiple problems & I'm now back with udev-171 . > > My daily update pulled in udev-197-r3. T

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-21 Thread Dale
Walter Dnes wrote: > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 01:36:55PM -0600, Dale wrote > >> Well, I have seen servers run for YEARS with no reboots. Most of those >> admit, they don't upgrade them at all. One several years ago said he >> hadn't even blew out the dust in that time. It was over 5 years since >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-21 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Jan 22, 2013 11:07 AM, "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 01:36:55PM -0600, Dale wrote > > > Well, I have seen servers run for YEARS with no reboots. Most of those > > admit, they don't upgrade them at all. One several years ago said he > > hadn't even blew out the dust in that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-21 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 01:36:55PM -0600, Dale wrote > Well, I have seen servers run for YEARS with no reboots. Most of those > admit, they don't upgrade them at all. One several years ago said he > hadn't even blew out the dust in that time. It was over 5 years since > he even logged into it.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:36:55 -0600 Dale wrote: > Well, I have seen servers run for YEARS with no reboots. Most of > those admit, they don't upgrade them at all. One several years ago > said he hadn't even blew out the dust in that time. It was over 5 > years since he even logged into it. He k

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-21 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:17:04 -0600 > Dale wrote: > >> walt wrote: >>> On 01/20/2013 01:29 AM, victor romanchuk wrote: just migrated to sys-fs/udev-197 - everything went smoothly and seems to work. the only observation at this time is absence of device file /de

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:17:04 -0600 Dale wrote: > walt wrote: > > On 01/20/2013 01:29 AM, victor romanchuk wrote: > >> just migrated to sys-fs/udev-197 - everything went smoothly and > >> seems to work. the only observation at this time is absence of > >> device file /dev/root whilst both /etc/mta

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:56:01 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: > Then you wouldn't have these problems now. There are 8 or more Gentoo > boxen running on this LAN with the above and none of the issues that > come up daily now in this ML. For completeness, there are seven Gentoo systems here, all but one r

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-20 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 06:17:04PM -0600, Dale wrote > Since this appears to be a issue now, I'm switching to eudev. Welcome to the dark side Luke. I'm in the midst of re-installing Gentoo on my netbook with eudev instead of mdev. It's working so far, but I haven't installed all the applicati

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-20 Thread Dale
Bruce Hill wrote: > On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 06:17:04PM -0600, Dale wrote: >> >> It does here: >> >> root@fireball / # ls -al /dev/root >> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jan 10 07:12 /dev/root -> sda6 >> root@fireball / # >> >> Since this appears to be a issue now, I'm switching to eudev. For some >> rea

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-20 Thread Bruce Hill
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 06:17:04PM -0600, Dale wrote: > walt wrote: > > On 01/20/2013 01:29 AM, victor romanchuk wrote: > >> just migrated to sys-fs/udev-197 - everything went smoothly and seems to > >> work. the only observation at this time is absence of device file > >> /dev/root whilst both /et

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-20 Thread Dale
walt wrote: > On 01/20/2013 01:29 AM, victor romanchuk wrote: >> just migrated to sys-fs/udev-197 - everything went smoothly and seems to >> work. the only observation at this time is absence of device file >> /dev/root whilst both /etc/mtab and /proc/mounts are referring to that >> device node: >>

[gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers

2013-01-20 Thread walt
On 01/20/2013 01:29 AM, victor romanchuk wrote: > just migrated to sys-fs/udev-197 - everything went smoothly and seems to > work. the only observation at this time is absence of device file > /dev/root whilst both /etc/mtab and /proc/mounts are referring to that > device node: > > # grep root /et