Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:14 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: > On 2010-09-08, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > I need to shut up now. My hatred of pixelated display devices is > > showing. I accept an LCD for my notebook as CRTs just don't fit, but > > nothing be

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:27 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, Paul Hartman did opine thusly: > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Then there's non-square pixels. Without funky voodoo graphics algorithms, > > my screen displays circles as ovals. > > That problem sh

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Then there's non-square pixels. Without funky voodoo graphics algorithms, my > screen displays circles as ovals. That problem should not exist on LCD if you're using the screen's native resolution. For example, the most common case of this in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Which raises another layer of confusion: when a spec says "16:9" does it mean > physical dimensions, or pixel density? I've yet to find a device that clearly > states *how* it arrived at the numbers it quotes in it's spec. I think DPI is irr

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-08, Alan McKinnon wrote: > I need to shut up now. My hatred of pixelated display devices is > showing. I accept an LCD for my notebook as CRTs just don't fit, but > nothing beats a real CRT imho for image quality. I presume you mean a nice monochrome display not one of those fuzzy col

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 18:53 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, Per-Erik Westerberg did opine thusly: > On ons, 2010-09-08 at 17:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Apparently, though unproven, at 17:24 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, > > Grant > > > > Edwards did opine thusly: > > > > Sinc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Per-Erik Westerberg
On ons, 2010-09-08 at 17:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Apparently, though unproven, at 17:24 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, Grant > Edwards did opine thusly: > > > > Since 16:9 panels are the same shape as the ones TVs use, I assume > > > that's why they are cheaper and why the industry prefe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: >> your best bet is to try to find one that is 16:10 instead of 16:9, it >> will at least give you a little bit more vertical screen space. > > The "pixel" ratio is 16:10, is the physical size also 16:10?  IOW are > the pixels still square? AF

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 17:24 on Wednesday 08 September 2010, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: > > Since 16:9 panels are the same shape as the ones TVs use, I assume > > that's why they are cheaper and why the industry prefers them. > > I thought about that, but the sizes and pixel densit

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-07, Paul Hartman wrote: > On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 7:58 AM, John Blinka wrote: >> >> I really liked the 1600x1200 display on this machine, which I greatly >> prefer to the 1600x900 display on the more modern Inspiron 1545 I >> own. ?Most of what I do now is through a web browser, and I c

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 15:11 on Tuesday 07 September 2010, Eray Aslan did opine thusly: > On 07.09.2010 15:29, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > I figure that just like a top-grade mechanic should be looking at SnapOns > > or similar in his toolbox, this here sysadmin also needs high quality > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-07 Thread Jake Moe
On 07/09/10 23:11, Eray Aslan wrote: > On 07.09.2010 15:29, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> I figure that just like a top-grade mechanic should be looking at SnapOns or >> similar in his toolbox, this here sysadmin also needs high quality tools. My >> chief tool is my notebook. > It's the weight not the

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-07, Robert Bridge wrote: > I don't know how well it works with Linux, but if screen estate > really matters, has anyone looked at the Lenovo ThinkPad W700ds? I > know pretty much every CAD person I know drools over it as a mobile > workstation... I don't know about that particular mod

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-07 Thread Robert Bridge
I don't know how well it works with Linux, but if screen estate really matters, has anyone looked at the Lenovo ThinkPad W700ds? I know pretty much every CAD person I know drools over it as a mobile workstation... RobbieAB

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-07 Thread Allan Gottlieb
Grant Edwards writes: > On 2010-09-06, Allan Gottlieb wrote: >> Grant Edwards writes: >> >>> For a given height, a 16:9 display is 30% wider. I want nice tall >>> display (prefereably at least 9-10") without having to increase the >>> width beyond what a standard "laptop" style keyboard takes

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-07 Thread Eray Aslan
On 07.09.2010 15:29, Alan McKinnon wrote: > I figure that just like a top-grade mechanic should be looking at SnapOns or > similar in his toolbox, this here sysadmin also needs high quality tools. My > chief tool is my notebook. It's the weight not the price that is the deciding factor us. I gu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 14:24 on Tuesday 07 September 2010, John Blinka did opine thusly: > > I paid the extra to get > > 16:9 @ 1920x1200. Best thing I ever did laptop-wise - I can get two > > webpages side by side on the screen looking very natural. > > Mind telling me what you got? T

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-07 Thread John Blinka
> I paid the extra to get > 16:9 @ 1920x1200. Best thing I ever did laptop-wise - I can get two webpages > side by side on the screen looking very natural. Mind telling me what you got? The 1200 part sounds attractive to me. John Blinka

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-06 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-06, Allan Gottlieb wrote: > Grant Edwards writes: > >> For a given height, a 16:9 display is 30% wider. I want nice tall >> display (prefereably at least 9-10") without having to increase the >> width beyond what a standard "laptop" style keyboard takes up (about >> 12-13 inches). > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-06 Thread Allan Gottlieb
Grant Edwards writes: > For a given height, a 16:9 display is 30% wider. I want nice tall > display (prefereably at least 9-10") without having to increase the > width beyond what a standard "laptop" style keyboard takes up (about > 12-13 inches). It is certainly true that, if the height of the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-06 Thread Mick
On Monday 06 September 2010 17:24:45 Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2010-09-06, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> Yes, there is an inherent problem: in order to get what I consider > >> acceptable vertical size/resolution you have to buy something that's > >> rediculously wide. > > > > Untrue. > > > > Vertic

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-06 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-06, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> Yes, there is an inherent problem: in order to get what I consider >> acceptable vertical size/resolution you have to buy something that's >> rediculously wide. > > Untrue. > > Vertical resolution depends only on the available dimension and the > number of p

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-06 Thread Stroller
On 5 Sep 2010, at 23:04, Allan Gottlieb wrote: ... With square pixels 16x9 is 1920x1080 (so called full HD is 1080p). This is my laptop's display. My big (30") monitor is 16x10 (2560x1600) and is a joy to use. I prefer the current wide aspect ratio better then the previous 4x3 standard.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:42 on Monday 06 September 2010, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: > >> Yup, and 16x9 sucks -- it's just an excuse to ship smaller, > >> lower-resolution displays labelled with bigger numbers. > >> > >> > >> > >> Complete ripoff. > > > > If you have 16:9 at 1280*

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-05 Thread Al
> > How do you explain the widespread popularity of portrait mode for > printed material?  Text is much easier to read in tall, narrow, > columns.  The more lines of code you can see at once when editing > source code, the fewer the bugs.  Both those have been experimentally > verified. And I like

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-05 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-05, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Apparently, though unproven, at 17:18 on Sunday 05 September 2010, Grant > Edwards did opine thusly: > >> On 2010-09-05, John Blinka wrote: >> > Hi, all, >> > >> > My trusty Inspiron 8200 is on death's door and so I'm looking for a >> > new laptop - one tha

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-05 Thread Allan Gottlieb
Alan McKinnon writes: > Apparently, though unproven, at 17:18 on Sunday 05 September 2010, Grant > Edwards did opine thusly: > >> On 2010-09-05, John Blinka wrote: >> > Hi, all, >> > >> > My trusty Inspiron 8200 is on death's door and so I'm looking for a >> > new laptop - one that will run Ge

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 17:18 on Sunday 05 September 2010, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: > On 2010-09-05, John Blinka wrote: > > Hi, all, > > > > My trusty Inspiron 8200 is on death's door and so I'm looking for a > > new laptop - one that will run Gentoo straightforwardly, of course.

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo

2010-09-05 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-05, John Blinka wrote: > Hi, all, > > My trusty Inspiron 8200 is on death's door and so I'm looking for a > new laptop - one that will run Gentoo straightforwardly, of course. > > I really liked the 1600x1200 display on this machine, which I greatly > prefer to the 1600x900 display on t