Re: [gentoo-user] Re: InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-30 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Fri, March 30, 2012 9:23 am, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > The 29/03/12, J. Roeleveld wrote: >> >> On Wed, March 28, 2012 12:49 am, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> >> >> > Do nothing. Just read, watch, learn but most important don't do >> > updates. Just wait. Patience is a virtue! >> >> I wonder how man

[gentoo-user] Re: InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-30 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 29/03/12, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On Wed, March 28, 2012 12:49 am, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > Do nothing. Just read, watch, learn but most important don't do > > updates. Just wait. Patience is a virtue! > > I wonder how many threads we'll get with "I haven't updated my Gentoo for > over

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:55:42 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > I don't think I agree with Neil in that this is a udev design flaw (as > any "fix" will be worse than the "flaw"). Instead it looks to me like > a classic case of > > "You are free to do anything you want but if you break it you keep the

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Mike Edenfield
> From: Alan McKinnon [mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com] > OK, semantics. Let me re-phrase: > > Why is a third party script, running in the context of the udev universe, > indiscriminately allowed to launch daemons at early boot time? > > I don't think I agree with Neil in that this is a udev desi

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:05:30 +0200 Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > The 29/03/12, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100 > > David W Noon wrote: > > > > The Gentoo developers have been discussing just that. The reason > > > is that many of the daemons that can be started by udev

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:05:30 +0200, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > > Why on earth is udev launching daemons in EARLY BOOT? > > udev launches nothing. udev scripts do. These scripts are not part of > udev. That is true, but udev provides no control over when these scripts are run. udev starts in ear

[gentoo-user] Re: InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 29/03/12, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100 > David W Noon wrote: > > The Gentoo developers have been discussing just that. The reason is > > that many of the daemons that can be started by udev scripts require > > work files on /var, so we could well need /var mounte