Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 01:59:19 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > There's nothing gratuitous about it. > > It's perfectly suited for the purpose, in this particular case. > > No it is not: there's no need for it. it adds nothing useful, and it > makes one wince. The sense would not have been chang

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-13 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Thursday 13 January 2011 01:40:09 Dale wrote: > You got a crystal ball or something? Not yet, my supplier is still awaiting new stock from the manufacturer... -- Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Jacob Todd
Get off your high horse. If I wouldn't of said 'that makes perfect fucking sense, ' what I was trying to convey wouldn't have had the emotion it needed. 'That makes perfect sense' seems to 'off-hand,' without any real feeling to the statement. What it really says is 'that doesn't make any sense, bu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Dale
walt wrote: On 01/12/2011 04:17 PM, Dale wrote: I just learned a long time ago to never say I am done with anything. > We never know what will happen that makes us go back and fix something > else. I distinctly remember declaring "There! I'm done with my 1982 tax return!" BIG mistake :(

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 13 January 2011 01:02:30 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Apparently, though unproven, at 02:35 on Thursday 13 January 2011, > Peter Humphrey did opine thusly: > > On Wednesday 12 January 2011 23:22:12 Jacob Todd wrote: > > > That makes perfect fucking sense. > > > > Would you please not use gra

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Nuno J. Silva
Alan McKinnon writes: > Apparently, though unproven, at 02:13 on Thursday 13 January 2011, Nuno J. > Silva did opine thusly: > >> Well, I think it's still possible to use INT13 for disk access :-) > > > You horrible person. > > I just went 13 years without hearing that thing's name mentioned not

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread walt
On 01/12/2011 04:17 PM, Dale wrote: I just learned a long time ago to never say I am done with anything. > We never know what will happen that makes us go back and fix something > else. I distinctly remember declaring "There! I'm done with my 1982 tax return!" BIG mistake :(

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 12 January 2011 23:57:32 Grant Edwards wrote: > I checked both "us english" and "world english" versions. Neither of which is acceptable in UK, the home of English. Not to me, at any rate. Colonials all... -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 13 January 2011 00:00:53 Dale wrote: > Neil Bothwick wrote: > > If you'd asked that 10 or 20 years ago, the answer, as far as > > booting is concerned, would have been "exactly the same as now". > > So we don't have new and faster processors? Larger hard drives? > Faster DVD type med

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: On 2011-01-13, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:32:32 -0600, Dale wrote: That was my point earlier. With computers changing, nothing will ever be finished. There will always be something that has to be added in as new things co

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 13 January 2011 00:17:42 Dale wrote: > They always improving things on puters. Well, changing them, anyway. -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:57 on Thursday 13 January 2011, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: > Citations? You want me to quote another assumed authority when I can just quote the one that's already inside my head? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 02:13 on Thursday 13 January 2011, Nuno J. Silva did opine thusly: > Dale writes: > > Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:32:32 -0600, Dale wrote: > >>> That was my point earlier. With computers changing, nothing will ever > >>> be finished. There w

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:32 on Thursday 13 January 2011, Dale did opine thusly: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > grub cannot be complete as there are always new file systems and boot > > methods that could be added. > > That was my point earlier. With computers changing, nothing will ever >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Dale
Nuno J. Silva wrote: At least in UNIX-like systems, one can always have a separate /boot in ext2, and use other filesystem everywhere else. It makes a grub update less urgent. Also, if they change - again - the way hard drives are accessed, just because some "oh, 8GiB is so big, no disk will eve

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Nuno J. Silva
Dale writes: > Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:32:32 -0600, Dale wrote: >> >> >>> That was my point earlier. With computers changing, nothing will ever >>> be finished. There will always be something that has to be added in as >>> new things come out. I still wonder where co

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2011-01-13, Dale wrote: > Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:32:32 -0600, Dale wrote: >> >> >>> That was my point earlier. With computers changing, nothing will ever >>> be finished. There will always be something that has to be added in as >>> new things come out. I still wo

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Nuno J. Silva
Dale writes: > Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:46:43 -0600, Dale wrote: >> >> What is there to do with it? It's a bootloader that boots and loads, what more do you want? No longer updated can mean broken, but it can also mean finished.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:32:32 -0600, Dale wrote: That was my point earlier. With computers changing, nothing will ever be finished. There will always be something that has to be added in as new things come out. I still wonder where computers will be in say 10 or 20 ye

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2011-01-12, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Grant Edwards did opine thusly: >> On 2011-01-12, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> > On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:33:02 +, Stroller wrote: >> >>> No longer updated can mean broken, but it can also mean finished. >> >> >> >> Boot to BTFS filesystems? >> > >> > Finished

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Nuno J. Silva
Dale writes: > Alan McKinnon wrote: >> grub cannot be complete as there are always new file systems and boot methods >> that could be added. > > That was my point earlier. With computers changing, nothing will ever > be finished. There will always be something that has to be added in > as new t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:32:32 -0600, Dale wrote: > That was my point earlier. With computers changing, nothing will ever > be finished. There will always be something that has to be added in as > new things come out. I still wonder where computers will be in say 10 > or 20 years. If you'd as

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: grub cannot be complete as there are always new file systems and boot methods that could be added. That was my point earlier. With computers changing, nothing will ever be finished. There will always be something that has to be added in as new things come out. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Jacob Todd
That makes perfect fucking sense. On Jan 12, 2011 6:18 PM, "Alan McKinnon" wrote: > Apparently, though unproven, at 00:42 on Thursday 13 January 2011, Grant > Edwards did opine thusly: > >> On 2011-01-12, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> > On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:33:02 +, Stroller wrote: >> >> > No lon

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 00:42 on Thursday 13 January 2011, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: > On 2011-01-12, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:33:02 +, Stroller wrote: > >> > No longer updated can mean broken, but it can also mean finished. > >> > >> Boot to BTFS filesy

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-12 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2011-01-12, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:33:02 +, Stroller wrote: > >> > No longer updated can mean broken, but it can also mean finished. >> >> Boot to BTFS filesystems? > > Finished != complete Maybe not on the right hand side of the pond, but here in the US finished

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-11 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 11 January 2011 15:18:53 Daniel da Veiga wrote: > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 22:51, Dale wrote: > > walt wrote: > >> On 01/10/2011 01:37 PM, Dale wrote: > >>> pk wrote: > On 2011-01-10 14:05, walt wrote: > You guys may be losing interest in grub2, but I'm having fun, so... > >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-11 Thread Daniel da Veiga
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 22:51, Dale wrote: > walt wrote: > >> On 01/10/2011 01:37 PM, Dale wrote: >> >>> pk wrote: >>> On 2011-01-10 14:05, walt wrote: You guys may be losing interest in grub2, but I'm having fun, so... > >> Although I've not been involved in this discus

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-10 Thread Dale
walt wrote: On 01/10/2011 01:37 PM, Dale wrote: pk wrote: On 2011-01-10 14:05, walt wrote: You guys may be losing interest in grub2, but I'm having fun, so... Although I've not been involved in this discussion I still enjoy your progress (I've been meaning to try out grub2 myself since gru

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-10 Thread Dale
pk wrote: On 2011-01-10 14:05, walt wrote: You guys may be losing interest in grub2, but I'm having fun, so... Although I've not been involved in this discussion I still enjoy your progress (I've been meaning to try out grub2 myself since grub1 is basically EOLed but haven't had the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-10 Thread pk
On 2011-01-10 14:05, walt wrote: > You guys may be losing interest in grub2, but I'm having fun, so... Although I've not been involved in this discussion I still enjoy your progress (I've been meaning to try out grub2 myself since grub1 is basically EOLed but haven't had the time yet)... please c

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-10 Thread walt
On 01/09/2011 11:07 AM, walt wrote: NOTE: I can't recall exactly why but the ata* modules conflict with some other modules, so *don't use them* unless you know what you are doing. NOTE: if grub2 names your disks (ataN,N) instead of (hdN,N) that means you are using the ata* grub2 modules -- I ha

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-09 Thread Jacob Todd
On Jan 9, 2011 8:11 PM, "Peter Humphrey" wrote: > > On Sunday 09 January 2011 22:54:14 walt wrote: > > The result was a brain-dead booting scheme which has been holding > > back the Intel/x86 world to this very day. (But they all made a > > huge bundle of cash along the way.) > > Capitalism? Gree

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-09 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 09 January 2011 22:54:14 walt wrote: > This mess goes back to IBM's decision to use the Intel 8086 CPU in > their shiny new PC What? Little-endian hardware? Crackers: backwards thinking, which Americans seem to me to be prone to. And yes, I did spend two years working in Minneapolis 2

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-09 Thread walt
On 01/09/2011 11:07 AM, walt wrote: One problem I encountered on my old amd32 machine is that I had to remove the USB-related grub2 modules or grub2 would crash while probing for disks. The newer amd64 machine works fine with the USB stuff included. Dunno why. By trial-and-error I found that u

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-09 Thread walt
On 01/09/2011 01:11 PM, Dale wrote: walt wrote: This sounds about as complicated as lilo. Much more complicated, but also more nifty :) Is this going to end up like hal? I certainly hope so! > You know, so complicated that no one can use the thing and they have to start over again?

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-09 Thread Nuno J. Silva
Mick writes: > On Sunday 09 January 2011 21:26:38 Alan McKinnon wrote: >> Apparently, though unproven, at 22:50 on Sunday 09 January 2011, walt did >> >> opine thusly: >> > On 01/09/2011 12:04 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> > > grub2 now looks like GNU/grub (sarcasm intended). It's not a >> > > boo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-09 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sunday 09 January 2011 23:26:38 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Apparently, though unproven, at 22:50 on Sunday 09 January 2011, walt did > > opine thusly: > > On 01/09/2011 12:04 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > grub2 now looks like GNU/grub (sarcasm intended). It's not a > > > bootloader, it's a puny OS

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-09 Thread Mick
On Sunday 09 January 2011 21:26:38 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Apparently, though unproven, at 22:50 on Sunday 09 January 2011, walt did > > opine thusly: > > On 01/09/2011 12:04 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > grub2 now looks like GNU/grub (sarcasm intended). It's not a > > > bootloader, it's a puny OS

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-09 Thread walt
On 01/09/2011 01:19 PM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: Alan McKinnon writes: Apparently, though unproven, at 19:48 on Sunday 09 January 2011, Dale did opine thusly: It has support for jpeg, every fs under the sun, and the grub2 ebuild even has a truetype USE flag. Does it support mp3 or ogg vorbis? D

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:50 on Sunday 09 January 2011, walt did opine thusly: > On 01/09/2011 12:04 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > grub2 now looks like GNU/grub (sarcasm intended). It's not a bootloader, > > it's a puny OS with one extra feature - it can bootload! > > You remember the vi

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-09 Thread Nuno J. Silva
walt writes: > On 01/09/2011 12:04 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> grub2 now looks like GNU/grub (sarcasm intended). It's not a bootloader, it's >> a puny OS with one extra feature - it can bootload! > > You remember the vi versus emacs wars? But at least emacs is running in the operating system,

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-09 Thread Nuno J. Silva
Alan McKinnon writes: > Apparently, though unproven, at 19:48 on Sunday 09 January 2011, Dale did > opine thusly: > > It has support for jpeg, every fs under the sun, and the grub2 ebuild even > has > a truetype USE flag. Does it support mp3 or ogg vorbis? Don't tell me I can't make it play t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-09 Thread Dale
walt wrote: On 01/09/2011 04:10 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 02:44 on Sunday 09 January 2011, Dale did opine thusly: I have not tried grub2 yet but I did fine these: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Grub2 http://grub.enbug.org

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-09 Thread walt
On 01/09/2011 12:04 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: grub2 now looks like GNU/grub (sarcasm intended). It's not a bootloader, it's a puny OS with one extra feature - it can bootload! You remember the vi versus emacs wars?

[gentoo-user] Re: A tiny titillating taste of grub2

2011-01-09 Thread walt
On 01/09/2011 04:10 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 02:44 on Sunday 09 January 2011, Dale did opine thusly: I have not tried grub2 yet but I did fine these: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Grub2 http://grub.enbug.org/grub.cfg Th