Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-08 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Friday 07 Oct 2011 08:25:36 Dale wrote: Michael Mol wrote: On one hand, you can configure the locations of things like %PROGRAMFILES% and %SYSTEMROOT%. On the other hand, you can mount a volume wherever you like. I used this to use the same .libpurple directory on a machine dual

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-08 Thread Mick
On Friday 07 Oct 2011 08:25:36 Dale wrote: > Michael Mol wrote: > > On one hand, you can configure the locations of things like > > %PROGRAMFILES% and %SYSTEMROOT%. On the other hand, you can mount a > > volume wherever you like. > > > > I used this to use the same .libpurple directory on a machi

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-07 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 10/07/2011 12:16 PM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > > out of interest: why do you have different configs? even if you have > different hardware you could still build a "one fits all"-kernel. or > are they that specialized? > We share kernel config whenever possible, but there are a few cases where th

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-07 Thread Jonas de Buhr
Am Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:59:54 -0400 schrieb Michael Orlitzky : > On 10/07/2011 03:36 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > > Am 07.10.2011 02:55, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: > >> On 10/06/11 19:42, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > If we have some grub-legacy and some grub2 installs, > >>> why would you do that? > >>

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-07 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Dale wrote: > Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> >> On 10/07/2011 10:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> >>> Why don't you upgrade to lilo instead?  It's got a single configuration >>> file which is short and relatively simple, and it just works.  My >>> lilo.conf has 50 non-

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-07 Thread Dale
Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 10/07/2011 10:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Why don't you upgrade to lilo instead? It's got a single configuration file which is short and relatively simple, and it just works. My lilo.conf has 50 non-comment/space lines, and that includes 8 kernel versions. Why don

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-07 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 10/07/2011 10:46 AM, Brennan Shacklett wrote: > > Python2 will stick around because most packages (portage!) don't work > with python3. Grub doesn't have the same problem. > > > Just to be pedantic, portage uses python3 if the python3 use flag is > enabled. > That's not being pedant

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-07 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 10/07/2011 10:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > Why don't you upgrade to lilo instead? It's got a single configuration > file which is short and relatively simple, and it just works. My > lilo.conf has 50 non-comment/space lines, and that includes 8 kernel > versions. > Why don't I avoid $di

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-07 Thread Brennan Shacklett
> Python2 will stick around because most packages (portage!) don't work > with python3. Grub doesn't have the same problem. > > Just to be pedantic, portage uses python3 if the python3 use flag is enabled.

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-07 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Michael. On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 08:55:05PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 10/06/11 19:42, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > >> If we have some grub-legacy and some grub2 installs, > > why would you do that? > Eventually, grub2 will be all that's available from portage. At that > point, I can ei

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-07 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 10/07/2011 03:36 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > Am 07.10.2011 02:55, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: >> On 10/06/11 19:42, Jonas de Buhr wrote: If we have some grub-legacy and some grub2 installs, >>> why would you do that? >> Eventually, grub2 will be all that's available from portage. At that >> po

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-07 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 10/07/2011 04:47 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 20:55:05 -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> How much work would it be for you to, >> >> * Learn grub2 > > About the same as it would be for you, very little. Granted, this is the easy one on my list.

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 20:55:05 -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > How much work would it be for you to, > > * Learn grub2 About the same as it would be for you, very little. The config has moved from /boot/grub to /etc/grub.d and the syntax has changed slightly. Note that, BY DEFAULT, grub2 come

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-07 Thread Jonas de Buhr
Am 07.10.2011 02:55, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: On 10/06/11 19:42, Jonas de Buhr wrote: If we have some grub-legacy and some grub2 installs, why would you do that? Eventually, grub2 will be all that's available from portage. At that point, I can either, 1) Install grub2 on some machines. 2) M

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-07 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: On Oct 6, 2011 11:21 PM, "Dale" > wrote: > > Mick wrote: >> >> On Thursday 06 Oct 2011 20:42:43 Dale wrote: >>> >>> Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > > most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-06 Thread Michael Mol
On Oct 6, 2011 11:21 PM, "Dale" wrote: > > Mick wrote: >> >> On Thursday 06 Oct 2011 20:42:43 Dale wrote: >>> >>> Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > > most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not being > used to it. flip

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-06 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Thursday 06 Oct 2011 20:42:43 Dale wrote: Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not being used to it. flip your door lock upside down - you'll hate it with passion for a week and then you

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-06 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 10/06/11 19:42, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > >> If we have some grub-legacy and some grub2 installs, > > why would you do that? Eventually, grub2 will be all that's available from portage. At that point, I can either, 1) Install grub2 on some machines. 2) Maintain grub-legacy (and install media)

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-06 Thread Jonas de Buhr
Am Thu, 06 Oct 2011 17:23:32 -0400 schrieb Michael Orlitzky : > > nothing forces you to switch to grub2. > > > > True in theory, but not in practice. the purpose of theory is to predict what happens in practice. if it does't, the theory is wrong. >Legacy grub will go away > eventually. >If

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-06 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 10/06/2011 05:00 PM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: >> Am Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:27:14 -0400 >> schrieb Michael Orlitzky : >> >>> On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-06 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > Either way is going to require a non-zero amount of work, while zero is > the amount of work I would prefer to do. Words to live by. :)

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-06 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 10/06/2011 05:00 PM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > Am Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:27:14 -0400 > schrieb Michael Orlitzky : > >> On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: >>> >>> most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not >>> being used to it. flip your door lock upside down - you'll h

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-06 Thread Jonas de Buhr
Am Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:27:14 -0400 schrieb Michael Orlitzky : > On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > > > > most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not > > being used to it. flip your door lock upside down - you'll hate it > > with passion for a week and then you won

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-06 Thread Mick
On Thursday 06 Oct 2011 20:42:43 Dale wrote: > Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > >> most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not being > >> used to it. flip your door lock upside down - you'll hate it with > >> passion for a week and then

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-06 Thread Dale
Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not being used to it. flip your door lock upside down - you'll hate it with passion for a week and then you won't even notice. flip it again and the process will repe

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement

2011-10-06 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 10/06/2011 04:20 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > > most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not being > used to it. flip your door lock upside down - you'll hate it with > passion for a week and then you won't even notice. flip it again and > the process will repeat. > But if s

[gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement (was: Is grub2 stable and who uses it?)

2011-10-06 Thread Jonas de Buhr
Am Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:18:49 +0100 schrieb Peter Humphrey : > On Wednesday 05 October 2011 17:47:21 Jonas de Buhr wrote: > > > sometimes things indeed need to change in order to improve. > > I remember things being improved. While I was in my 50s I was > continually faced with youngsters' ideas f