On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 12:45:53 +
> You would have thought it was easy to take a spur off of a socket that's
> part of a ring main,
It used to be easy enough - provided that the spur had no more than two
single sockets or one double. Maybe the regs have changed yet again.
> but believe me, as an
On 31/10/17 23:29, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 17:33:53 +
> Wols Lists wrote:
>
>> In the UK at least also, we have ring mains. These are rated at 30 Amps,
>> from which you can take a 13 Amp feed from any socket. Once you start
>> taking power over multiple leads the wiring h
On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 17:33:53 +
Wols Lists wrote:
> In the UK at least also, we have ring mains. These are rated at 30 Amps,
> from which you can take a 13 Amp feed from any socket. Once you start
> taking power over multiple leads the wiring has more resistance, plugs
> introduce resistance,
On 31/10/17 00:09, mad.scientist.at.la...@tutanota.com wrote:
>
> the issue is with plugging one thing, into another, into another and
> then into the wall, most outlet strips are cheap, they don't use proper
> sockets and often have/develop a significant resistance, which creates a
> hazard etc.
On 30/10/17 23:32, Rich Freeman wrote:
> Often there are elements of a traditionally public service that aren't
> natural monopolies which can be outsourced for a benefit. Electrical
> generation is often a case of that, but as I suggested you do need to
> ensure you're paying to have extra capaci
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Wols Lists wrote:
> If you can, do a Buffet...
> ...
> ...demand that pension funds invest in companies that pay good dividends,
> well covered...
Without wanting to derail this thread even more, I couldn't help but
notice the irony here...
--
Rich
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Wols Lists wrote:
>
> The reason British Telecom made obscene profits for YEARS after they
> privatised was because they inherited terrible infrastructure that cost
> a lot of money just to keep going.
>
A similar kind of system is the reason that Bell Labs made s
On 30/10/17 23:42, Rich Freeman wrote:
> If the big banks thought that investing for the long term would make
> them more money they would do it. They have no loyalty to the
> companies they invest in. If they can invest in a company one month,
> and make more money by investing in a competitor t
On 30/10/17 23:28, Mick wrote:
> The regulator does not hold the budget, central government departments do and
> the regulator cannot (or will not) control abnormal profits privatised
> utilities are making year after year. However, the regulator will engage
> enthusiastically in the a theatre
On 10/30/2017 12:40 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Daniel Frey wrote:
I did some looking around (I had an APC) and all the APC branded crap you
get in the stores are cheaper, inferior options. I found out the BX-prefixed
models don't even have proper AVR (they only co
Mick wrote:
> On Monday, 30 October 2017 21:01:35 GMT Dale wrote:
>> While it is usually plugged into a surge strip already,
>> the more the better. Actually, surge at the wall, UPS, then another
>> surge strip that all my stuff plugs into.
> I'm sure I have read in some UPS manual that it should
no, varistors (what's in nearly all surge suppressors) either clamp the voltage
at about twice what it should be, or fail shorted which they tend to do
eventually (harmlessly blowing a fuse hopefully).
the issue is with plugging one thing, into another, into another and then into
the wall, m
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Mick wrote:
> On Monday, 30 October 2017 21:04:00 GMT Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Dale wrote:
>> > have we profited on today'. However, when a company is public, stocks
>> > and such, then it is about what have we made today with no o
On Monday, 30 October 2017 21:01:35 GMT Dale wrote:
> While it is usually plugged into a surge strip already,
> the more the better. Actually, surge at the wall, UPS, then another
> surge strip that all my stuff plugs into.
I'm sure I have read in some UPS manual that it should be plugged directl
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Mick wrote:
> On Monday, 30 October 2017 20:50:16 GMT Dale wrote:
>> I think we both agree that companies should look long term, it's not
>> likely they ever will. Their stock owners would cringe if they did,
>
> Not really. Pension funds would not cringe at all,
On Monday, 30 October 2017 21:04:00 GMT Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Dale wrote:
> > have we profited on today'. However, when a company is public, stocks
> > and such, then it is about what have we made today with no one caring
> > about years from now. After all, the
On Monday, 30 October 2017 20:50:16 GMT Dale wrote:
> I think we both agree that companies should look long term, it's not
> likely they ever will. Their stock owners would cringe if they did,
Not really. Pension funds would not cringe at all, but feel relieved they
found a company with clear
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Dale wrote:
>
> have we profited on today'. However, when a company is public, stocks
> and such, then it is about what have we made today with no one caring
> about years from now. After all, the people owning the stocks may not
> even own them next week.
>
No
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Daniel Frey wrote:
>> I did some looking around (I had an APC) and all the APC branded crap you
>> get in the stores are cheaper, inferior options. I found out the BX-prefixed
>> models don't even have proper AVR (they only correct when the vo
if the fan is running all the time, i'd keep it of the floor and out of the
dust as much as possible. might add a filter to the inlet, i've done it on
processor fans and it doesn't seem to have any negative effect, though you have
to remember to check it occasionally. The fan likely makes it m
Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 14:46:02 -0500
> Dale wrote:
>
>> I've always seen UPSs as the best insurance of decent power. I find
>> them handy for almost anything electronic. No matter where a person
>> lives, good power is sometimes just not going to be there.
> I spent an ins
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Daniel Frey wrote:
>
> I did some looking around (I had an APC) and all the APC branded crap you
> get in the stores are cheaper, inferior options. I found out the BX-prefixed
> models don't even have proper AVR (they only correct when the voltage drops
> below a c
On 10/30/2017 12:33 PM, Daniel Frey wrote:
I did some looking around (I had an APC) and all the APC branded crap
you get in the stores are cheaper, inferior options. I found out the
BX-prefixed models don't even have proper AVR (they only correct when
the voltage drops below a certain point, th
On 10/30/2017 07:47 AM, Mick wrote:
On Monday, 30 October 2017 14:09:58 GMT Daniel Frey wrote:
On 10/30/2017 03:15 AM, Mick wrote:
Now, I better look into finding a way to silence this new UPS fan which
seems to be going on 24/7 with or without load on it! o_O
Some new UPS systems are desi
On Monday, 30 October 2017 14:09:58 GMT Daniel Frey wrote:
> On 10/30/2017 03:15 AM, Mick wrote:
> > Now, I better look into finding a way to silence this new UPS fan which
> > seems to be going on 24/7 with or without load on it! o_O
>
> Some new UPS systems are designed to have the fan running
On 10/30/2017 03:15 AM, Mick wrote:
On Monday, 30 October 2017 09:10:07 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:
Today's forecasts of doom are the result of 30 years of dithering by
governments of all stripes, neglecting to invest in new generation in spite
of its absolute indispensability.
I'll refrain from
On Monday, 30 October 2017 09:10:07 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:
> Today's forecasts of doom are the result of 30 years of dithering by
> governments of all stripes, neglecting to invest in new generation in spite
> of its absolute indispensability.
I'll refrain from jumping into arguments on politic
On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 14:46:02 -0500
Dale wrote:
> I've always seen UPSs as the best insurance of decent power. I find
> them handy for almost anything electronic. No matter where a person
> lives, good power is sometimes just not going to be there.
I spent an instructive 1990 summer afternoon
On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 19:11:13 +, Mick wrote:
> BTW, perhaps in UK cities general and unpredicted power cuts are
> relatively rare and brownouts don't occur often. Out in the sticks the
> infrastructure is so neglected power cuts and brown outs can be a
> weekly occurrence. I just bought yet a
Wols Lists wrote:
> On 29/10/17 11:21, Dale wrote:
>> Power failures aren't as often the past few years anyway. I could
>> almost make it without a UPS BUT I do like having that extra
>> protection. Mine has some serious surge protection in it plus
>> brownout/over voltage protection/warning as w
On 29/10/17 19:11, Mick wrote:
> BTW, perhaps in UK cities general and unpredicted power cuts are relatively
> rare and brownouts don't occur often. Out in the sticks the infrastructure
> is
> so neglected power cuts and brown outs can be a weekly occurrence. I just
> bought yet another UPS t
On Sunday, 29 October 2017 19:01:37 GMT Wols Lists wrote:
> On 29/10/17 11:21, Dale wrote:
> > Power failures aren't as often the past few years anyway. I could
> > almost make it without a UPS BUT I do like having that extra
> > protection. Mine has some serious surge protection in it plus
> > b
On 29/10/17 11:21, Dale wrote:
> Power failures aren't as often the past few years anyway. I could
> almost make it without a UPS BUT I do like having that extra
> protection. Mine has some serious surge protection in it plus
> brownout/over voltage protection/warning as well. While I have a fai
Mick wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 01:56:52 GMT Dale wrote:
>> Daniel Frey wrote:
>>> Well, that's odd. I just built it and see nothing of the sort. I built
>>> it with all USE flags.
>>>
>>> I am not using nut now, but I was trying it about a year ago. I did
>>> have a client (it wasn't knut
On Sunday, 29 October 2017 01:56:52 GMT Dale wrote:
> Daniel Frey wrote:
> > Well, that's odd. I just built it and see nothing of the sort. I built
> > it with all USE flags.
> >
> > I am not using nut now, but I was trying it about a year ago. I did
> > have a client (it wasn't knutclient), maybe
Daniel Frey wrote:
>
> Well, that's odd. I just built it and see nothing of the sort. I built
> it with all USE flags.
>
> I am not using nut now, but I was trying it about a year ago. I did
> have a client (it wasn't knutclient), maybe it was removed from the
> tree. That's disappointing.
>
> How
On 10/28/2017 09:48 AM, Mick wrote:
On Saturday, 28 October 2017 15:18:26 BST Daniel Frey wrote:
On 10/28/2017 01:58 AM, Mick wrote:
Hi All,
I've been using the net-misc/knutclient GUI application to provide
information to desktop users of the state of the UPS. Portage is telling
me this pack
On Saturday, 28 October 2017 15:18:26 BST Daniel Frey wrote:
> On 10/28/2017 01:58 AM, Mick wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've been using the net-misc/knutclient GUI application to provide
> > information to desktop users of the state of the UPS. Portage is telling
> > me this package depends on Qt4
On 10/28/2017 01:58 AM, Mick wrote:
Hi All,
I've been using the net-misc/knutclient GUI application to provide information
to desktop users of the state of the UPS. Portage is telling me this package
depends on Qt4, it has received no development upstream and is due to be
ditched:
!!! The foll
Hi All,
I've been using the net-misc/knutclient GUI application to provide information
to desktop users of the state of the UPS. Portage is telling me this package
depends on Qt4, it has received no development upstream and is due to be
ditched:
!!! The following installed packages are masked
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