On 6/13/07, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
* b.n. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Let's take an different part of life, not computers, take policits.
I'm an elected representative. I have to decide lots of things here.
Normally somebody brings some proposable we should vote on. Usually
we t
* b.n. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
> Your problem is: you live in the delusion that if you write thing X,
> people immediately understand X and either refuse it or accept it.
Isn't there an third state: "I didn't really understand what it's
about - please explain" ?
Can't speak for others,
On 6/11/07, Iain Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sat, 2007-06-09 at 21:13 +1200, Kent Fredric wrote:
> Genoo > Everything.
given Everything = Gentoo + Debian + RedHat + ...,
let EverythingElse = Everything - Gentoo;
then
Gentoo > Everything
=~ Gentoo > Gentoo + EverythingElse
=~ G
On Sat, 2007-06-09 at 21:13 +1200, Kent Fredric wrote:
> Genoo > Everything.
given Everything = Gentoo + Debian + RedHat + ...,
let EverythingElse = Everything - Gentoo;
then
Gentoo > Everything
=~ Gentoo > Gentoo + EverythingElse
=~ Gentoo - Gentoo > Gentoo + EveryThingElse - Gentoo
=~
On 6/9/07, b.n. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kent Fredric ha scritto:
> On 6/8/07, b.n. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ( probably releated to it being a
> generally harder distro to use that *cough* ewwbuntu *cough*
> unlinspired *cough* or *cough* deadrat *cough* )
OT: Ubuntu distros (Kubuntu, exp
On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On Friday 08 June 2007, "Hemmann, Volker Armin"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user]
> > The slowest boot of all
> > times?
>
> My Gentoo boots more slowly, but that's probably related to the large delay
> mounting a 3TiB re
On Friday 08 June 2007, "Hemmann, Volker Armin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user]
Again: Critical bugs considered invalid':
> On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, b.n. wrote:
> > Kent Fredric ha scritto:
> > > On 6/8/07, b.n. <[EMAIL PROTECTED
Enrico Weigelt ha scritto:
> I understand that often there's more information need. But isn't
> this exactly what the NEEDINFO status is for ?
You don't understand that perhaps the wrangler does not understand that
needs more info!
If he has a partial/distorted view of the bug, you can't expect
On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, b.n. wrote:
> Kent Fredric ha scritto:
> > On 6/8/07, b.n. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ( probably releated to it being a
> > generally harder distro to use that *cough* ewwbuntu *cough*
> > unlinspired *cough* or *cough* deadrat *cough* )
>
> OT: Ubuntu distros (Kubunt
Kent Fredric ha scritto:
> On 6/8/07, b.n. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ( probably releated to it being a
> generally harder distro to use that *cough* ewwbuntu *cough*
> unlinspired *cough* or *cough* deadrat *cough* )
OT: Ubuntu distros (Kubuntu, expecially) are really, really shiny and
slick p
Enrico Weigelt ha scritto:
> I'd prefer telling people what I (personally) believe it's good/right
> and give them the chance to either take or leave it. Both decisions
> will have their consequences, but nobody can tell which one is
> objectively better - evryhing's subjective.
[...]
> I don't f
* b.n. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
> > No, I'm not the one who teaches anyody. I go my way, if you
> > like it, feel free to follow me, if you don't like it,
> > go you own but leave me alone.
>
> So don't expect anyone to like you, if you don't teach anyone what do
> you think and...-->
h
* Kent Fredric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
> Imo, provide as much information as possible, describe all
> paths of logic, dont assume bugwranglers are psychic. Verbosity
> can be your friend.
I understand that often there's more information need. But isn't
this exactly what the NEEDINFO st
On 6/8/07, b.n. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, I tell you a secret: even with all its quirks and defects, Gentoo
has one of the more friendly and helpful communities in the OSS world.
Try have a look at the Debian, OpenBSD or Slackware forums/ml/IRC
channels, and you'll understand.
I concur,
Enrico Weigelt ha scritto:
> No, I'm not the one who teaches anyody. I go my way, if you
> like it, feel free to follow me, if you don't like it,
> go you own but leave me alone.
So don't expect anyone to like you, if you don't teach anyone what do
you think and...-->
> I've shown several prob
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
> Complaining TWICE worked.
Is it so bad? I'd say complaining ten times would be bad, but twice
seems a reasonable number of attempts.
> The problem I complained about shouldn't
> have happened in the first place; someonex fixed something that wasn't
> broken and m
On Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2007, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> * Hemmann, Volker Armin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'm some bit confused that the wranglers should do such decisions
> > > at all (if they're not also involved in the affected package).
> >
> > because it is their job to filter out noise so
Hi,
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:03:52 +0200 Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > Well, since your awesome efforts last time, everyone here already
> > knows you're the most polite bug reporter, absolutely fair and
>
> I'm really tired of your boring personal attacks.
In fact, it was the fi
* Hemmann, Volker Armin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm some bit confused that the wranglers should do such decisions
> > at all (if they're not also involved in the affected package).
>
> because it is their job to filter out noise so 'real' devs can
> concentrate on the 'real' bugs. They ar
> > Bug reports need to be thorough. If they do not provide enough
> > information to reproduce a bug, or at least explain exactly what is
> > going on, then it is hard for the developers and bug
> squashers to do
> > anything about it.
>
> Sometimes, as the reported, you miss some important thin
> -Original Message-
> From: Enrico Weigelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:00 AM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid
>
>
> * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL
On Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2007, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> seems, certain wranglers are for killing bugs of
>
> > > specific persons ;-O
> >
> > well, Jakub is very fast closing bugs - and sometimes he closes
> > them too fast... this is nothing new - and arguing with him in a
> > civil manner usually so
* Davi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
> Gentoo's Project needs more people to help in develop,
> docs and bugs... =)
Well, for me, it seemed quite different - new people are
unwelcomed, especially if the come with new/different ideas.
> IF this (bugs) are, as YOU said, trivial, go on... Help
Em Quarta 06 Junho 2007 20:10, Enrico Weigelt escreveu:
> * Hemmann, Volker Armin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Isn't it exactly the job of the bugwranglers to delegate
> > > bugs to the responsible persons ?
> >
> > and bug wranglers are just humans. And humans a) are not perfect
> > and b) som
* Hemmann, Volker Armin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > And then ?
> > Hope that mozilla-launcher gets repaired by itself ?
>
> no? but if it works that way, it is not even defective..
It doesn't. Why do you assume it would ?
> > Isn't it exactly the job of the bugwranglers to delegate
> >
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
> First: Cosmetic things, i.e. user interface issues, pretty
> pictures, and things that effect the overall look and feel.
>
> If they do not stop the program from functioning, they are
> not high priority. It may be agitating to look at, bu
* Hans-Werner Hilse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, since your awesome efforts last time, everyone here already
> knows you're the most polite bug reporter, absolutely fair and
I'm really tired of your boring personal attacks.
Can't you come up with some more interesting ? Maybe a polar
wea
On Mittwoch, 6. Juni 2007, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> * Hemmann, Volker Armin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > so first you went to the wrong bugzilla and made a big fuss.
> > Then you went to the gentoo-bugzilla and made even more fuss.
>
> Yes, I first expected it to be an firefox bug, so I fil
Complaining TWICE worked. The problem I complained about shouldn't
have happened in the first place; someonex fixed something that wasn't
broken and made it broken.
Your response is absolutely typical of my problem with the gentoo dev
community. You misstate a complaint, overreact to it, and app
* Hemmann, Volker Armin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> so first you went to the wrong bugzilla and made a big fuss.
> Then you went to the gentoo-bugzilla and made even more fuss.
Yes, I first expected it to be an firefox bug, so I filed the bug there.
After I found out that the ff source didn't
Ok, my two cents on the matter.
I am still new enough to the community to be considered an outsider,
so here is an outsider's perspective. I hope not to step on toes,
but it will probably happen anyway.
First: Cosmetic things, i.e. user interface issues, pretty pictures,
and things that effec
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
> I filed a bug which was promptly closed
> for no good reason, only the bogus answer that the new configuraion
> files layout took care of it. I reopened it with a more detailed
> description of the problem and included the URL of the apache
> documentation which exp
Hi,
short correction/addition:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:48:17 +0200
Hans-Werner Hilse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...] complicated solutions like e.g. using readlink(1) [...]
or just throwing in find's "-L" switch.
-hwh
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I see complaints about the bug reporting style, but no mea culpas. I
had an experience with gentoo bugs recently which confirms his
experience on a smaller level. The apache ebuilds used to recognize
USERDIR to override the default "public_html" value. The 2.4 ebuilds
discarded that for no reaso
Hi,
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:07:42 +0200
Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> just as I thought, certain folks had their lessons now it's
> maybe worth contributing someting, it starts again:
> Critical bugs are simply declared invalid.
>
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180935
>
On Dienstag, 5. Juni 2007, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> just as I thought, certain folks had their lessons now it's
> maybe worth contributing someting, it starts again:
> Critical bugs are simply declared invalid.
>
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180935
>
> Again the old philoso
Hi folks,
just as I thought, certain folks had their lessons now it's
maybe worth contributing someting, it starts again:
Critical bugs are simply declared invalid.
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180935
Again the old philosophy "what I don't understand is invalid".
Obviously my cont
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