> -Original Message-
> From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 12 August 2005 16:16
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla & Google behind the
> scenes payola
>
>
[snip]
> I really question t
On 12 August 2005 16:16, Holly Bostick wrote:
> Neil Bothwick schreef:
> > On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:17:40 +0200, Holly Bostick wrote:
> >>Big Brother may be watching you, but you watch Big Brother-- that show
> >>with the incredibly ironic name-- don't you?
> >
> > No way!
> >
> >>So who are 'you' (g
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:16:21 +0200, Holly Bostick wrote:
> > The contestants are not really selling their privacy, just performing
> > for pay. but even if they were, it is theirs' to give or sell, not
> > ours to take.
> I thought that the whole point of an inalienable right was that it could
>
Neil Bothwick schreef:
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:17:40 +0200, Holly Bostick wrote:
>
>
>>Big Brother may be watching you, but you watch Big Brother-- that show
>>with the incredibly ironic name-- don't you?
>
>
> No way!
>
>
>>So who are 'you' (generic)
>>to talk about 'privacy'? Much less as
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:17:40 +0200, Holly Bostick wrote:
> Big Brother may be watching you, but you watch Big Brother-- that show
> with the incredibly ironic name-- don't you?
No way!
> So who are 'you' (generic)
> to talk about 'privacy'? Much less as a inalienable right, when it's
> clear tha
Neil Bothwick schreef:
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:51:36 -0700, Bob Sanders wrote:
>
>
>>Um...you may not know this, but Holly is in the UK. London in
>>particular has cameras all over the place. From what I've heard, it's
>>not possible to walk in public there without being recorded. In
>>public
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 12 August 2005 03:52
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla & Google behind the
> scenes payola
>
>
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:19:43 +0
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:51:36 -0700, Bob Sanders wrote:
> Um...you may not know this, but Holly is in the UK. London in
> particular has cameras all over the place. From what I've heard, it's
> not possible to walk in public there without being recorded. In
> public, there is already a trail of
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:19:43 +0200
Antoine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How would you feel if a company bought lots of
> too-small-to-be-readily-visible flying cameras (like the mosquito-cams
> in the Dan Brown book Deception Point :-)) and followed you around
> wherever you went (in these "public
Hi,
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:30:31 +0930
Iain Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'd vote for a preference setting for prefetching:
> > - disable / enable / enable for the same host only
> > a little bit like cookie handling.
>
> from http://www.scroogle.org/gscrape.html#ffox "Fortunately, yo
Benno Schulenberg wrote:
>Holly Bostick wrote:
>
>
>>I have the "right" to observe, and I also have
>>the "right" to record my observations,
>>
>>
>
>Yes, as an individual you have that right (unless you're observing
>military installations :). But Google is a company, and companies
>are
Holly Bostick wrote:
> I have the "right" to observe, and I also have
> the "right" to record my observations,
Yes, as an individual you have that right (unless you're observing
military installations :). But Google is a company, and companies
are bound to some rules:
http://home.planet.nl/~pr
Antoine schreef:
> How would you feel if a company bought lots of
> too-small-to-be-readily-visible flying cameras (like the mosquito-cams
> in the Dan Brown book Deception Point :-)) and followed you around
> wherever you went (in these "public" places, which would certainly
> include shops but n
Michael Kintzios wrote:
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: 11 August 2005 01:32
>>To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
>>Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla & Google behind the
>>scenes payola
&g
Holly Bostick wrote:
> Michael Kintzios schreef:
>
>
>>Sharing our private information (i.e. our own browsing
>>trends) for profit without our consent is evidently not on
>
>
> This carries the assumption that "our own browsing trends" is, in fact,
> "private information", which I do not necess
> -Original Message-
> From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11 August 2005 15:08
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla & Google behind the
> scenes payola
>
>
> Matt Randolph schreef:
> > H
On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 08:14:26PM -0400, John J. Foster wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 05:05:34PM -0400, Paul M Foster wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 03:52:10PM -0400, John J. Foster wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.scroogle.org/gscrape.html#ffox
> > >
> > > Just wondering if anyone had heard
Holly Bostick schreef:
> Matt Randolph schreef:
>
>
>
>>What if they had binoculars and a camera?
>
>
> Same with a camera, but if
> for some reason somebody was standing right in front of my window taking
> pictures of the interior of my house, I would do the same (confront them
> and ask w
Matt Randolph schreef:
> Holly Bostick wrote:
>
>> Surfing the Internet is a lot like walking down the street.
>>
>>
>
> Do you think Jane and John Doe computer users know that? Do you think
> they know that what they do in Word and Outlook is private, and what
> they do in Internet Explorer i
Wow! Thanks, I've bookmarked this message. :-)
> -Original Message-
> From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11 August 2005 13:39
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla & Google behind the
> scenes payo
Michael Kintzios schreef:
> [OT]
> Holly, you mention that you have a zillion search engines incorporated
> in your browser . . . 8O
> Where do you get them from? How can these be added to a browser?
> [/OT]
The vast majority of them come from mozdev.org itself. If you click the
search engine bu
> -Original Message-
> From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11 August 2005 01:32
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla & Google behind the
> scenes payola
>
>
[snip]
> And if my theory holds wat
Holly Bostick wrote:
Surfing the Internet is a lot like walking down the street.
Do you think Jane and John Doe computer users know that? Do you think
they know that what they do in Word and Outlook is private, and what
they do in Internet Explorer is public? It's only the distance of a
Iain Buchanan schreef:
> On Wed, 2005-08-10 at 13:51 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
>>It also assumes that Mozilla are making a profit from this. Being
>>non-profit doesn't preclude any sort of income to cover costs. Gentoo is
>>non-profit but sells CDs, mugs and t-shirts, as well as accepting
>>do
On Wed, 2005-08-10 at 15:42 +0200, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:28:18 +0100
> "Michael Kintzios" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Do the cookie settings under preferences override FF/Google's preset
> > cookie flow?
> I'd vote for a preference setting for prefetching
On Wed, 2005-08-10 at 13:51 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:13:30 +0200, Holly Bostick wrote:
>
> > > Sharing our private information (i.e. our own browsing
> > > trends) for profit without our consent is evidently not on
> >
> > This carries the assumption that "our own brow
050810 Michael Crute wrote:
> the guy who wrote that silly little article is a nutcase
> that is waging some weird holy war against google. His other sites are:
> http://www.google-watch.org/
> http://www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com/
> So check those out first and that will squash what little credi
Hey guys just to put this all in perspective the guy who wrote that
silly little article is a nutcase that is waging some weird holy war
against google. His other sites are:
http://www.google-watch.org/
http://www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com/
So check those out first and that will squash what little
Billy Holmes schreef:
> Paul M Foster wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with this. Google pays Mozilla
>> to make Google the default search engine for Firefox. Mozilla could
>> have made it Yahoo or someone else, but Google paid them and that's
>> bad? This
>
>
> Some people hav
Paul M Foster wrote:
I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with this. Google pays Mozilla to
make Google the default search engine for Firefox. Mozilla could have
made it Yahoo or someone else, but Google paid them and that's bad? This
Some people have this idea that making money from OSS is
Hi,
On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:28:18 +0100
"Michael Kintzios" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do the cookie settings under preferences override FF/Google's preset
> cookie flow?
Yep, the FF/Google cookie flow, yes. But I think you mean the cookie
flow from Google's search result pages' links? No, proba
> -Original Message-
> From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 10 August 2005 13:14
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla & Google behind the
> scenes payola
>
>
> Michael Kintzios schreef:
>
&
On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:13:30 +0200, Holly Bostick wrote:
> > Sharing our private information (i.e. our own browsing
> > trends) for profit without our consent is evidently not on
>
> This carries the assumption that "our own browsing trends" is, in fact,
> "private information", which I do not ne
Hi,
On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:52:10 -0400
"John J. Foster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone had heard of this. Although, if true, it
> certainly doesn't surprise me with todays corporate ethics as they are.
> Just a bad mark on Mozilla.
This is to be separated:
#1: Google is im
Michael Kintzios schreef:
> Sharing our private information (i.e. our own browsing
> trends) for profit without our consent is evidently not on
This carries the assumption that "our own browsing trends" is, in fact,
"private information", which I do not necessarily agree with.
Surfing the Intern
> -Original Message-
> From: John J. Foster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 10 August 2005 01:14
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla & Google behind the
> scenes payola
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 05:05:
On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:14:26 -0400
"John J. Foster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Even "IF" only one of those allegations are true, I'm disappointed in
> Mozilla's choices. They were, until a few days ago, "non-profit". Google
> may be the best general purpose search engine out there right now, but
On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 05:05:34PM -0400, Paul M Foster wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 03:52:10PM -0400, John J. Foster wrote:
>
> > http://www.scroogle.org/gscrape.html#ffox
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone had heard of this. Although, if true, it
> > certainly doesn't surprise me with todays
On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 03:52:10PM -0400, John J. Foster wrote:
> http://www.scroogle.org/gscrape.html#ffox
>
> Just wondering if anyone had heard of this. Although, if true, it
> certainly doesn't surprise me with todays corporate ethics as they are.
> Just a bad mark on Mozilla.
>
I'm trying
http://www.scroogle.org/gscrape.html#ffox
Just wondering if anyone had heard of this. Although, if true, it
certainly doesn't surprise me with todays corporate ethics as they are.
Just a bad mark on Mozilla.
John
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