Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 05:26:15PM -0500 schrieb Dale: > I'm wanting to be able to boot something from the hard drive in the event the OS itself won't boot.  The other day I had to dig around and find a bootable USB stick and also found a DVD.  Ended up wi

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 3:18 PM Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > Am Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 01:22:32PM -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht: > > Frank, > >Thank you for the in-depth explanation. > > > >I need to do some study before commenting further other than to say > > so far I'm finding different comm

Re: [gentoo-user] updating /boot directory EFI

Wol writes: > On 16/04/2023 22:30, Mitch D. wrote: >> Wol, can you elaborate on why you think Grub is deprecated on EFI systems? > > Because EFI is a boot manager? That is not the case any more than the classic IBM PC boot procedure is. There is technical capability for UEFI firmware to act in

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Am Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 05:26:15PM -0500 schrieb Dale: > > > I'm wanting to be able to boot something from the hard drive in the > > > event the OS itself won't boot.  The other day I had to dig around and > > > find a bootable USB stick and also found a DVD.  Ended up with the DVD > > > working b

Re: [gentoo-user] updating /boot directory EFI

On 16/04/2023 22:30, Mitch D. wrote: Wol, can you elaborate on why you think Grub is deprecated on EFI systems? Because EFI is a boot manager? Why chain-load boot managers? Cheers, Wol On Sun, Apr 16, 2023, 15:17 hitachi303 > wrote: Am 16.04.23 u

Re: [gentoo-user] Can I safely switch (no)multilib profile???

On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 01:29:46AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote > When I installed Gentoo on my desktop PC, I could've sworn that I > selected... > > [15] default/linux/amd64/17.1/no-multilib (stable) > > ...as the profile. ***THINGS HAVE BEEN WORKING FINE FOR A COUPLE OF > YEARS.*** Things ge

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 11:54 AM Dale > wrote: > > > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > <<< SNIP >>> > > > I guess I don't understand why you would put Knoppix in the boot > > > partition vs somewhere else. Is this for some sort of recovery > > > proce

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Am Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 01:22:32PM -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht: > Frank, >Thank you for the in-depth explanation. > >I need to do some study before commenting further other than to say > so far I'm finding different comments depending on whether it's > an SSD or an M.2 drive. Uhm, I think y

Re: [gentoo-user] updating /boot directory EFI

Wol writes: > On 16/04/2023 18:43, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> On 4/16/23 08:49, Lee K wrote: >>> Also, learn how to boot a kernel from the grub cli, and keep a printed >>> version of these instructions in a handy place. This has saved my butt >>> countless times. :) >> Thanks Lee, that is

Re: [gentoo-user] updating /boot directory EFI

On Sunday, 16 April 2023 19:31:23 BST Wol wrote: > Or, seeing as grub is deprecated with EFI, learn how to boot using EFI. > > Don't worry, I haven't really learned either :-) I just keep a Slack > live-CD handy ... (I'm tired and it's bedtime, so I hope you'll overlook any boo-boos.) You can s

Re: [gentoo-user] updating /boot directory EFI

Wol, can you elaborate on why you think Grub is deprecated on EFI systems? On Sun, Apr 16, 2023, 15:17 hitachi303 wrote: > Am 16.04.23 um 21:11 schrieb Mitch D.: > > A minimal EFI bootloader can show an updated menu for the new kernels > > without needing to make regular writes to the EFI variab

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Frank, Thank you for the in-depth explanation. I need to do some study before commenting further other than to say so far I'm finding different comments depending on whether it's an SSD or an M.2 drive. Much appreciated, Mark On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 11:08 AM Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > A

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 11:54 AM Dale wrote: > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > <<< SNIP >>> > > I guess I don't understand why you would put Knoppix in the boot > > partition vs somewhere else. Is this for some sort of recovery > > process you're comfortable with vs recovering from a bootable DVD? > > >

Re: [gentoo-user] updating /boot directory EFI

Am 16.04.23 um 21:11 schrieb Mitch D.: A minimal EFI bootloader can show an updated menu for the new kernels without needing to make regular writes to the EFI variable storage. I didn't know Grub was deprecated, but there are other options. rEFInd is pretty. Syslinux is flexible. https://wiki

Re: [gentoo-user] updating /boot directory EFI

There is a catch related to using EFI without a conventional bootloader. If you want your boot menu to include details such as kernel versions, then it would be necessary to run efibootmgr every time you update the kernel. I'm not sure if the EFI variable storage is resilient to repeated writes, so

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Mark Knecht wrote: > <<< SNIP >>> > I guess I don't understand why you would put Knoppix in the boot  > partition vs somewhere else. Is this for some sort of recovery  > process you're comfortable with vs recovering from a bootable DVD? > > - Mark I'm wanting to be able to boot something from the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: updating /boot directory EFI

On 16/04/2023 15:22, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 16/04/2023 07:01, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: After installing new kernel how to update /boot EFI directory? You don't need to. You only need to do that when you want to reinstall GRUB itself into the EFI partition. The kernel is installed in

Re: [gentoo-user] updating /boot directory EFI

On 16/04/2023 18:43, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: On 4/16/23 08:49, Lee K wrote: Also, learn how to boot a kernel from the grub cli, and keep a printed version of these instructions in a handy place. This has saved my butt countless times. :) Thanks Lee, that is really helpful hint. Or, se

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 9:55 AM Dale wrote: > > I think what I read is that it is done automatically. They could have > meant a cron job. I don't think they said how, just that it is already > set up to do it. Firmware was mentioned in the thread somewhere so I > thought maybe that was it. Ei

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Am Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 08:08:59AM -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht: > If you have an SSD or nvme drive installed then fstrim should be > installed and run on a regular basis. However it's not 'required'. > > Your system will still work, but after all blocks on the drive have > been used for file storag

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 4:09 PM Mark Knecht wrote: > Sorry for any confusion. Time to unsubscribe from this list > I guess and leave you all to your beloved distro. > Please don't. I doubt someone is pissed off with you. Jorge Almeida > Bye, See above. > Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] updating /boot directory EFI

On 4/16/23 08:49, Lee K wrote: Also, learn how to boot a kernel from the grub cli, and keep a printed version of these instructions in a handy place. This has saved my butt countless times. :) Thanks Lee, that is really helpful hint.

Re: [gentoo-user] updating /boot directory EFI

On 4/16/23 05:16, Mitch D. wrote: When you emerge grub, Gentoo compiles and "installs" grub (and some grub-related tools) to a directory inside your Gentoo installation, just like other applications. The catch is that grub isn't like other applications... it needs to run outside of Gentoo, bef

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > > Oh, please, don't go anywhere.    We already lost the long > term Alan.  BTW, I checked on him a while back.  He's still OK.  It's > been a while tho. > > > > Dale - I touched - truly. I'm happy to stick around but I no longer  > run Gentoo and don't want to cause

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

> > > Oh, please, don't go anywhere.We already lost the long term Alan. BTW, I checked on him a while back. He's still OK. It's been a while tho. > Dale - I touched - truly. I'm happy to stick around but I no longer run Gentoo and don't want to cause problems or piss off the folks who need

Re: [gentoo-user] updating /boot directory EFI

Lee K wrote: > Also, learn how to boot a kernel from the grub cli, and keep a printed > version of these instructions in a handy place. This has saved my butt > countless times. :) > OP:  I can't agree more.  Just a couple weeks ago, my system wouldn't boot except to a rescue thingy.  I had to bo

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 1:44 AM William Kenworthy > wrote: > > > > > > On 16/4/23 15:18, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > On Sunday, 16 April 2023 02:47:00 BST William Kenworthy wrote: > > > > > >> look into mount options for SSD's (discard option) an

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 1:44 AM William Kenworthy wrote: > > > On 16/4/23 15:18, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Sunday, 16 April 2023 02:47:00 BST William Kenworthy wrote: > > > >> look into mount options for SSD's (discard option) and "fstrim" for > >> maintenance. (read up on trimmimg - doing a ma

Re: [gentoo-user] updating /boot directory EFI

Also, learn how to boot a kernel from the grub cli, and keep a printed version of these instructions in a handy place. This has saved my butt countless times. :) -- Lee

[gentoo-user] Re: updating /boot directory EFI

On 16/04/2023 07:01, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: After installing new kernel how to update /boot EFI directory? You don't need to. You only need to do that when you want to reinstall GRUB itself into the EFI partition. The kernel is installed in /boot, not into the EFI partition.

Re: [gentoo-user] updating /boot directory EFI

On Sunday, 16 April 2023 12:16:09 BST Mitch D. wrote: > All EFI systems are supposed to have an EFI system partition (ESP). Some > people use the ESP as their boot partition, while other people keep them as > two separate partitions and mount the boot partition as /boot and the ESP > as /boot/EFI.

Re: [gentoo-user] updating /boot directory EFI

When you emerge grub, Gentoo compiles and "installs" grub (and some grub-related tools) to a directory inside your Gentoo installation, just like other applications. The catch is that grub isn't like other applications... it needs to run outside of Gentoo, before Linux starts. This means that Grub

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: my 5.15.93 kernel keeps rebooting

On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 12:37:51 -0500, Laurence Perkins wrote: > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: John Covici > >Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 7:20 AM > >To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > >Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: my 5.15.93 kernel keeps rebooting > > > >On Wed, 15 Feb 2023

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: my 5.15.93 kernel keeps rebooting

On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 12:37:51 -0500, Laurence Perkins wrote: > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: John Covici > >Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 7:20 AM > >To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > >Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: my 5.15.93 kernel keeps rebooting > > > >On Wed, 15 Feb 2023

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On 16/4/23 15:18, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday, 16 April 2023 02:47:00 BST William Kenworthy wrote: look into mount options for SSD's (discard option) and "fstrim" for maintenance. (read up on trimmimg - doing a manual trim before the drive reaches full allocation (they delete files, but d

Re: [gentoo-user] Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On Sunday, 16 April 2023 02:47:00 BST William Kenworthy wrote: > look into mount options for SSD's (discard option) and "fstrim" for > maintenance. (read up on trimmimg - doing a manual trim before the drive > reaches full allocation (they delete files, but do not erase them > because erasing is t