Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-29 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 17:32:08 +0100 Marc Stürmer wrote: > Am 29.11.2014 um 11:11 schrieb Pandu Poluan: > > > What do you think, people? Shouldn't we offer them our eudev project to > > assist? > > Since Eudev has always been opensource under the GPLv2, like udev too, > there's no need to /offer/

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-29 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 22:32:18 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > > I am already really annoyed that by default > > systemd and apps designed to work with it leave traces on openrc based > > systems. > > You're getting worked up about text files and

Re: [gentoo-user] Does systemd work with mdadm?

2014-11-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Daniel Frey wrote: > > So far, it's better than openrc in that there's a bug shutting down an > imsm raid that's still not been addressed. It causes the array to do a > rebuild next time it starts up and from my testing systemd doesn't have > this issue. > I can't

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > I am already really annoyed that by default > systemd and apps designed to work with it leave traces on openrc based > systems. You're getting worked up about text files and filenames. I suppose you'll be really upset that bash completion

Re: [gentoo-user] TPM feature - do I need it?

2014-11-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Mick wrote: > > Thanks Rich, it seems not all modern MoBos have it. This doesn't: > Interesting, I had really thought they were ubiquitous. > > If I enable this TPM thing, do I automatically open ports at pre/post-boot > time giving access to my machine? Or is

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-29 Thread Bill Kenworthy
On 30/11/14 07:30, Marc Stuermer wrote: > Am 29.11.2014 um 11:11 schrieb Pandu Poluan: > >> What do you think, people? Shouldn't we offer them our eudev project to >> assist? > > After studying their home pages so far I came to the conclusion, that I > cannot take "Devuan" serious. It still feel

Re: [gentoo-user] Does systemd work with mdadm?

2014-11-29 Thread Daniel Frey
On 11/29/2014 12:19 AM, Mark Pariente wrote: > > mdadm works perfectly fine with systemd. I am running a 4-disk RAID-10 > configuration and it gets assembled properly by systemd. I have the > "ARRAY ..." definition in /etc/mdadm.conf and the /dev/mdXXX mount point > in /etc/fstab and AFAICT that's

Re: [gentoo-user] flag details

2014-11-29 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 05:09:36PM +, James wrote: > So, I use euse to read aobut flags. Sometimes the same flag has slightly, > but significantly different meanings depending on the packages it > is use on. A tool with perhaps more detail or that parse the ebuild/sources > for even greater de

Re: [gentoo-user] OT somehow: experiences around linode

2014-11-29 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 30.11.2014 um 00:57 schrieb Al: > My experience has been great so far. > > My only contact with support was an ipv6 issue that I ran into a few > months ago, and they quickly replied with a reference to a Gentoo bug > which included the fix. > > So here's one vote for Linode. good to hear th

Re: [gentoo-user] OT somehow: experiences around linode

2014-11-29 Thread Al
Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > Who has rent a virtual server at linode.com and what is your opinion? I have two servers with Linode, one running Gentoo, and Debian on the other. My experience has been great so far. My only contact with support was an ipv6 issue that I ran into a few months ago, a

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Marc Stuermer wrote: > That's why I am skeptical about all of this created buzz around it and > seriously doubt if they are going to be able to deliver. > Systemd = buzz these days. There was a slashdot post about some kernel bug and it seemed like 1/3rd of the p

Re: [gentoo-user] TPM feature - do I need it?

2014-11-29 Thread Mick
On Saturday 29 Nov 2014 20:23:51 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Mick wrote: > > I'm looking to buy a new PC and while looking at FM2+ MoBos I saw ASUS > > offers > > > one with a TPM feature. It also sells it as a separate component it seems: > I can't get that page to l

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-29 Thread Marc Stuermer
Am 29.11.2014 um 11:11 schrieb Pandu Poluan: > What do you think, people? Shouldn't we offer them our eudev project to > assist? After studying their home pages so far I came to the conclusion, that I cannot take "Devuan" serious. It still feels more like a prank to me than a serious thing. Firs

[gentoo-user] OT somehow: experiences around linode

2014-11-29 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
fellow gentoo-users: Who has rent a virtual server at linode.com and what is your opinion? I find stuff like: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1101752 https://plus.google.com/+DiegoElioPettenò/posts/FbuwyVg79Eh Maybe they have learned since then? Any current opinions? I spent

Re: [gentoo-user] TPM feature - do I need it?

2014-11-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Mick wrote: > I'm looking to buy a new PC and while looking at FM2+ MoBos I saw ASUS offers > one with a TPM feature. It also sells it as a separate component it seems: I can't get that page to load, but I can't imagine that you could find a motherboard that DIDN

[gentoo-user] TPM feature - do I need it?

2014-11-29 Thread Mick
I'm looking to buy a new PC and while looking at FM2+ MoBos I saw ASUS offers one with a TPM feature. It also sells it as a separate component it seems: http://us.estore.asus.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=5793 I recall reading in this list about it, but I am not sure if it offers any benef

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-29 Thread hasufell
Alan Mackenzie: > So that > instead of conceptualising a "branch" (as you would do with Mercurial, > Bazaar, Subversion, or even CVS), you need to think about "commits > reachable from a certain head (excluding commits reachable from some > other head)". [snipping everything that is not technical]

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-29 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On 11/29/2014 09:28 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Speaking as a developer in a project which has just converted to git, I > can assure you that git has tremendous disadvantages, even compared with > cvs. It depends; they do different things. Depending on what I'm working on, I use either subversion

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-29 Thread Marc Stürmer
Am 29.11.2014 um 11:11 schrieb Pandu Poluan: What do you think, people? Shouldn't we offer them our eudev project to assist? Since Eudev has always been opensource under the GPLv2, like udev too, there's no need to /offer/ it. If they choose to use it, they can use it, no offer/questions ne

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-29 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, konsolebox. On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:18:49PM +0800, konsolebox wrote: > On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > Hello, everybody. > Good day. > > instead of conceptualising a "branch" (as you would do with Mercurial, > > Bazaar, Subversion, or even CVS), you need to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-29 Thread konsolebox
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hello, everybody. Good day. > instead of conceptualising a "branch" (as you would do with Mercurial, > Bazaar, Subversion, or even CVS), you need to think about "commits > reachable from a certain head (excluding commits reachable from so

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-29 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, everybody. On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 07:09:07AM +, Martin Vaeth wrote: > hasufell wrote: > > Martin Vaeth: > >> hasufell wrote: > With rsync I believe you can exclude categories: > http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/TIP_Exclude_categories_from_emerge_sync > >>> That is uninformed.

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-29 Thread the
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 29/11/14 13:11, Pandu Poluan wrote: > So, I just found out that some Debian Developers decided to fork > Debian, because they can no longer stand this abomination called > 'systemd': > > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141127.212941.f55

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-29 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 07:09:07AM +, Martin Vaeth wrote: > So for non-developers, downloading with git does not necessarily > make sense. > > That being said, please do not consider this as an argument against > a change to git: For developers it has only advantages, and AFAIK, > it is not pl

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:11:20 +, Pandu Poluan wrote: > So, I just found out that some Debian Developers decided to fork Debian, > because they can no longer stand this abomination called 'systemd': > > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141127.212941.f55acc3a.en.html > > What do you thin

[gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-29 Thread Pandu Poluan
So, I just found out that some Debian Developers decided to fork Debian, because they can no longer stand this abomination called 'systemd': https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141127.212941.f55acc3a.en.html What do you think, people? Shouldn't we offer them our eudev project to assist? Rgds

Re: [gentoo-user] Does systemd work with mdadm?

2014-11-29 Thread Mark Pariente
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Daniel Frey wrote: OK, I decided I'm going to try systemd to see what all the hubbub is about. I know there are people on here that use it so I'm hoping someone's can alleviate my concerns on it with mdadm. I use an IMSM container (Intel fakeraid) as I dual