Re: [gentoo-user] RAID 1 vs RAID 0 - Read perfonmance

2014-02-23 Thread Kerin Millar
On 24/02/2014 06:27, Facundo Curti wrote: Hi. I am again, with a similar question to previous. I want to install RAID on SSD's. Comparing THEORETICALLY, RAID0 (stripe) vs RAID1 (mirrior). The performance would be something like this: n= number of disks reads: raid1: n*2 raid0: n*2 writ

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
24.02.2014 02:32, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 23/02/2014 20:18, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I don't think forking would attract much developers. Writing something new trying to follow "the*nix design principles", but being modern and with the same features (all of them optional, of course) of systemd

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
24.02.2014 05:07, Alan McKinnon wrote: [ ...] We don't do error handling. We don't even try and deal with it at the point it occurred, we just chuck it back up the stack, essentially giving them message "stuff it, I'm not dealing with this. You called me, you fix it." Doesn't sound like good de

[gentoo-user] RAID 1 vs RAID 0 - Read perfonmance

2014-02-23 Thread Facundo Curti
Hi. I am again, with a similar question to previous. I want to install RAID on SSD's. Comparing THEORETICALLY, RAID0 (stripe) vs RAID1 (mirrior). The performance would be something like this: n= number of disks reads: raid1: n*2 raid0: n*2 writes: raid1: n raid0: n*2 But, in real life

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Poison BL.
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 03:07:09AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote > > > >> We don't do error handling. We don't even try and deal with it at the > >> point it occurred, we just chuc

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 24/02/2014 01:12, Mick wrote: >> On Sunday 23 Feb 2014 22:32:32 Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> On 23/02/2014 20:18, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I don't think forking would attract much developers. Writing something new trying to follow

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

2014-02-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 8:11 PM, eroen wrote: > On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:47:55 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés > wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:31 PM, eroen wrote: >> > On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:02:01 +0100, Fox >> > wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 03:07:09AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote > >> We don't do error handling. We don't even try and deal with it at the >> point it occurred, we just chuck it back up the stack, essentially >> giving them message "stuff it, I'm

[gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

2014-02-23 Thread eroen
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:47:55 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:31 PM, eroen wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:02:01 +0100, Fox > > wrote: > >> Hello, > >> after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned > >> sys-fs/eudev. I decided used because I had systemd

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 03:07:09AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote > We don't do error handling. We don't even try and deal with it at the > point it occurred, we just chuck it back up the stack, essentially > giving them message "stuff it, I'm not dealing with this. You called me, > you fix it." Th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

2014-02-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:31 PM, eroen wrote: > On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:02:01 +0100, Fox wrote: >> Hello, >> after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned >> sys-fs/eudev. I decided used because I had systemd only to used udev >> and unmerge systemd. >> >> Now I can't use Banshee which

[gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

2014-02-23 Thread eroen
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:02:01 +0100, Fox wrote: > Hello, > after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned > sys-fs/eudev. I decided used because I had systemd only to used udev > and unmerge systemd. > > Now I can't use Banshee which I use as my music player because of the > next depen

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/02/2014 01:12, Mick wrote: > On Sunday 23 Feb 2014 22:32:32 Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 23/02/2014 20:18, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >>> I don't think forking would attract much developers. Writing something >>> new trying to follow "the*nix design principles", but being modern and >>> with th

[gentoo-user] Re: libpng slot usage

2014-02-23 Thread eroen
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:54:07 +0100, Fox wrote: > Hello, > I am trying to compile fltk-1.1.10 both using an ebuild from [1] and > with just the downloaded source. I think this version needs libpng > 1.2 which is installed in one of the slots. > > Using the source code and cmake with FLTK_USE_SYST

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Mick wrote: [ snip ] > Well, I'm no authority on this since I can't code, My point exactly. > but here's a starter for 10: > > http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch01s06.html Funny you mention this; the second definition is by Robert Pike, who later said: "Not

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Mick
On Sunday 23 Feb 2014 22:32:32 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 23/02/2014 20:18, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > I don't think forking would attract much developers. Writing something > > new trying to follow "the*nix design principles", but being modern and > > with the same features (all of them optiona

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 23/02/2014 20:18, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> I don't think forking would attract much developers. Writing something >> new trying to follow "the*nix design principles", but being modern and >> with the same features (all of them optiona

Re: [gentoo-user] banshee installation without systemd

2014-02-23 Thread Fox
On 02/23/2014 07:25 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Fox wrote: Hello, after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned sys-fs/eudev. I decided used because I had systemd only to used udev and unmerge systemd. Now I can't use Banshee which I use as my m

Re: [gentoo-user] "Multiple package instances ....". Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:59:14 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Personally, I think portage has gone too far and the complex solutions > are causing problems that are worse than what they attempt to solve. > Amzing solutions (like sub-slots) aren't really much use in the real > world if the package mai

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/02/2014 20:18, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > I don't think forking would attract much developers. Writing something > new trying to follow "the*nix design principles", but being modern and > with the same features (all of them optional, of course) of systemd > will have more chances; although

[gentoo-user] Re: "Multiple package instances ....". Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Jonathan Callen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Alan, The easiest method may be to parse the error given: On 02/23/2014 07:13 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> ### >>> !!! >>> Multiple package instances within a single pack

[gentoo-user] Re: flashcards?

2014-02-23 Thread James
Edward M live.com> writes: > > I'm looking for an application > > to create flashcards for study. > Hello, > You may want to take a look at anki. > app-misc/anki Thanks, I'll give it a test drive James

Re: [gentoo-user] "Multiple package instances ....". Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Kerem Gülver
I remember having past a similar problem by this steps: unmerge it. try to update and write the offered package choices on corresponding files, i.e: *.mask/use. update it with "--newuse" option. Doesn't work, try first installing the aforementioned package and then update. It's actually not a bug,

Re: [gentoo-user] banshee installation without systemd

2014-02-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Fox wrote: > Hello, > after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned sys-fs/eudev. I > decided used because I had systemd only to used udev and unmerge systemd. > > Now I can't use Banshee which I use as my music player because of the next > dependency

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Mick wrote: [ snip ] > I am not sure if people object to the Lennart-way of messing up Linux, under > the blessings of RHL, or if they just don't like the immediate outcome. Actually, most people that actually *try* using systemd and reads how it works have no pro

Re: [gentoo-user] technical review of systemd

2014-02-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:06 AM, wrote: [ snip ] >> Corrupt filesystems or logs? > > logs. currently if fsck runs anywhere on boot i get zero log about what > was done, so i prefer to do this on a running system. / is obviously > special, so this is a pro that fsck is logged, but of course if /

Re: [gentoo-user] "Multiple package instances ....". Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2014-02-23 12:42 PM, Mick wrote: On Sunday 23 Feb 2014 17:25:18 Tanstaafl wrote: You do realize that blind bottom posting is far WORSE than blind top-posting (done here intentionally to make a point), don't you? Please trim your posts. Sorry for this, I wasn't being lazy. I usually do t

Re: [gentoo-user] "Multiple package instances ....". Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Mick
On Sunday 23 Feb 2014 17:25:18 Tanstaafl wrote: > Mick, > > You do realize that blind bottom posting is far WORSE than blind > top-posting (done here intentionally to make a point), don't you? > > Please trim your posts. Sorry for this, I wasn't being lazy. I usually do trim my posts, except f

Re: [gentoo-user] "Multiple package instances ....". Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Tanstaafl
Mick, You do realize that blind bottom posting is far WORSE than blind top-posting (done here intentionally to make a point), don't you? Please trim your posts. On 2014-02-22 6:32 PM, Mick wrote: On Saturday 22 Feb 2014 22:06:15 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 22/02/2014 23:15, Alan Mackenzie wrot

[gentoo-user] banshee installation without systemd

2014-02-23 Thread Fox
Hello, after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned sys-fs/eudev. I decided used because I had systemd only to used udev and unmerge systemd. Now I can't use Banshee which I use as my music player because of the next dependency tree: banshee <- gnome-base/gnome-settings-daem

Re: [gentoo-user] "Multiple package instances ....". Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/02/2014 18:13, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hello, Alan. > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 05:22:15PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 23/02/2014 14:13, Alan Mackenzie wrote: - are you sure that's an emerge failure and not just a convoluted info > message? Perhaps post the entire emerge outpu

[gentoo-user] libpng slot usage

2014-02-23 Thread Fox
Hello, I am trying to compile fltk-1.1.10 both using an ebuild from [1] and with just the downloaded source. I think this version needs libpng 1.2 which is installed in one of the slots. Using the source code and cmake with FLTK_USE_SYSTEM_PNG off it complies fine. I can see that it automatic

Re: [gentoo-user] "Multiple package instances ....". Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Alan. On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 05:22:15PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 23/02/2014 14:13, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >> - are you sure that's an emerge failure and not just a convoluted info > >> > message? Perhaps post the entire emerge output. > > I tried it again without the -p, and got t

Re: [gentoo-user] "Multiple package instances ....". Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/02/2014 14:13, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> - are you sure that's an emerge failure and not just a convoluted info >> > message? Perhaps post the entire emerge output. > I tried it again without the -p, and got the same output. > > I think this is a portage bug. At the very least, it's poor > d

[gentoo-user] Compiles take much longer than in the past

2014-02-23 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Hey list, I'm observing on this olde Centrino laptop that emerges take much, much longer for certain packages than they did in the past. There was a bigger update on 25. Jan (the first since 20. Oct) and another one on 22. Feb. Examples can be found at the bottom, they show increases from 15 to mo

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Mick
On Monday 17 Feb 2014 07:01:53 Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: > 17.02.2014 00:19, Canek Peláez Valdés пишет: > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff > > wrote: [ snip ] > > > >> Isn't there too many "if you believe" and "if you agree"? A church of > >> systemd? ;) > > > > As I said to Tan

Re: [gentoo-user] "Multiple package instances ....". Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Mick. On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:32:42PM +, Mick wrote: > On Saturday 22 Feb 2014 22:06:15 Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On 22/02/2014 23:15, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > > Hi, Gentoo. > > > I've just tried an emerge -puND world, after a shockingly long interval. > > > I got the error message: >

Re: [gentoo-user] "Multiple package instances ....". Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Alan. On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 12:06:15AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 22/02/2014 23:15, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > Hi, Gentoo. > > I've just tried an emerge -puND world, after a shockingly long interval. > > I got the error message: > >!!! Multiple package instances within a single pa

Re: [gentoo-user] "Multiple package instances ....". Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 01:32:36AM +0100, waben...@gmail.com wrote: > Am Samstag, 22.02.2014 um 21:15 > > What do I have to do to get this thing emerged? > > Thanks! > Sometimes it is helpful to increase the backtrack value. Some weeks ago > I had a similar problem and could I solve it with >

Re: [gentoo-user] technical review of systemd

2014-02-23 Thread thegeezer
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM, wrote: >> OK so because of how much time has been spent arguing about systemd with >> little technical content, i've spent some time on the freedesktop site >> reading Lennart's blog and also going through the source to find answers >> to my questions about the