Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused

2011-07-22 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 7/22/2011 9:53 PM, CJoeB wrote: Because this will be a new computer and I may essentially void the warranty if I alter the pre-configuration, I seriously thought about leaving the status quo and putting up with Windows 7. However, I would lose practically as much as losing my first born! I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Dale
Albert Hopkins wrote: On Friday, July 22 at 18:42 (-0500), Dale said: I sort of hate to hear there are no major changes. I was hoping for a fix on my kernel panic problem. Oh well. I'll upgrade anyway. Maybe it will help. Fixing a kernel bug is not considered a "major change". A

[gentoo-user] Replace root with aufs-united sda & squashfs

2011-07-22 Thread Pandu Poluan
As part of Project:Protogenoi [1], I am planning to replace root with a united filesystem using aufs. The layers will be: Top: /dev/xvda3 (Xen/XenServer Virtual Disk device) Bottom: /.root.sqfs The aim would be to generate the smallest .xva (XenServer Virtual Appliance) possible. To achieve this,

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused

2011-07-22 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 6:53 PM, CJoeB wrote: > Hi everyone, > > First, thanks for all the input regarding CFLAGS. > > Can I be honest here?  My technical skills don't seem to be anywhere > near on a par with most of the people on this list.  I've been using > Gentoo since 2004 and the reason I do

Re: [gentoo-user] No keyboard or mouse with X after upgrade

2011-07-22 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 22:39 -0400, Jeff Cranmer wrote: > On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 10:18 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 22:00 -0400, Jeff Cranmer wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I recently ran an emerge -NDuav on my system and world lists, and now I > > > can't start X and

Re: [gentoo-user] No keyboard or mouse with X after upgrade

2011-07-22 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 10:18 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: > On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 22:00 -0400, Jeff Cranmer wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I recently ran an emerge -NDuav on my system and world lists, and now I > > can't start X and keep the keyboard or mouse operating. > > > > Is this a known issu

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused

2011-07-22 Thread William Kenworthy
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 21:53 -0400, CJoeB wrote: > Hi everyone, > > First, thanks for all the input regarding CFLAGS. > > Can I be honest here? My technical skills don't seem to be anywhere > near on a par with most of the people on this list. I've been using > Gentoo since 2004 and the reason I

Re: [gentoo-user] No keyboard or mouse with X after upgrade

2011-07-22 Thread William Kenworthy
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 22:00 -0400, Jeff Cranmer wrote: > Hi All, > > I recently ran an emerge -NDuav on my system and world lists, and now I > can't start X and keep the keyboard or mouse operating. > > Is this a known issue? Any simple fixes? > > Thanks in advance > > Jeff > > > Did you fo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Friday, July 22 at 18:42 (-0500), Dale said: > I sort of hate to hear there are no major changes. I was hoping for > a > fix on my kernel panic problem. Oh well. I'll upgrade anyway. > Maybe > it will help. Fixing a kernel bug is not considered a "major change". A major change would be

[gentoo-user] No keyboard or mouse with X after upgrade

2011-07-22 Thread Jeff Cranmer
Hi All, I recently ran an emerge -NDuav on my system and world lists, and now I can't start X and keep the keyboard or mouse operating. Is this a known issue? Any simple fixes? Thanks in advance Jeff

Re: [gentoo-user] Problems with Nvidia fake raid array

2011-07-22 Thread Jeff Cranmer
Is there anyone who can help me recover my raid array? On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 20:43 -0400, Jeff Cranmer wrote: > On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 09:06 -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > On 07/18/2011 11:08 PM, Jeff Cranmer wrote: > > > > > > > > > Pardon my additional questions before taking the plunge her

[gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused

2011-07-22 Thread CJoeB
Hi everyone, First, thanks for all the input regarding CFLAGS. Can I be honest here? My technical skills don't seem to be anywhere near on a par with most of the people on this list. I've been using Gentoo since 2004 and the reason I do, is for the control that I have over my system. Because t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 07/23/2011 01:54 AM, Dale wrote: Howdy, I noticed the new kernel in the tree. Anybody know whether make oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel? Since I'm having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, hopefully, version. I

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > I noticed the new kernel in the tree.  Anybody know whether make oldconfig > will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel?  Since I'm having issues > right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, hopefully, version. > > I just

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Dale
Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 23.07.2011 00:54, schrieb Dale: Howdy, I noticed the new kernel in the tree. Anybody know whether make oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel? Since I'm having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, hopefully, vers

[gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 07/23/2011 01:54 AM, Dale wrote: Howdy, I noticed the new kernel in the tree. Anybody know whether make oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel? Since I'm having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, hopefully, version. I just had a thought, what a

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Hilco Wijbenga
On 22 July 2011 15:54, Dale wrote: > I noticed the new kernel in the tree.  Anybody know whether make oldconfig > will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel?  Since I'm having issues > right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, hopefully, version. Despite the major version chan

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 23.07.2011 00:54, schrieb Dale: > Howdy, > > I noticed the new kernel in the tree. Anybody know whether make > oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel? Since I'm > having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, > hopefully, version. > > I just had a

[gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Dale
Howdy, I noticed the new kernel in the tree. Anybody know whether make oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel? Since I'm having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, hopefully, version. I just had a thought, what are the odds the nvidia drivers

[gentoo-user] Re: mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread walt
On 07/22/2011 11:13 AM, Grant wrote: > Wouldn't a sufficiently large swap (100GB for example) completely > prevent out of memory conditions and the oom-killer? There's always someone who can pull a corner case out of his hat :) I can't remember the details now, but there was a piece of code in t

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Friday, July 22 at 11:13 (-0700), Grant said: > That all makes perfect sense. So the reason a swap larger than maybe > 1GB is not usually implemented is because idle processes don't > normally have more than a few hundred MB of pages in memory? > That's not entirely true, either. For examp

Re: [gentoo-user] bind: "dynamic-IP to FQDN" resolving for windows-clients howto?

2011-07-22 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Jarry wrote: > Hi, > I would like to offer to some friends similar service > as i.e. dyndns.org does: FQDN for their dynamic IP. > But I have no idea how to set-up my bind for this task. > And what is even worse, they are mostly running Windows. > > IIRC, dyndns.or

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Grant wrote: >> ... Then why not have a really big swap file?  If swap is useful as a second layer of caching behind RAM, why doesn't everyone with some extra hard drive space have a 100GB swap file? >>> >>> I have 12GB of RAM and 12GB of swap on my

[gentoo-user] bind: "dynamic-IP to FQDN" resolving for windows-clients howto?

2011-07-22 Thread Jarry
Hi, I would like to offer to some friends similar service as i.e. dyndns.org does: FQDN for their dynamic IP. But I have no idea how to set-up my bind for this task. And what is even worse, they are mostly running Windows. IIRC, dyndns.org (and similar services) offer some kind of end-user applic

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Friday 22 July 2011 19:13:35 Grant wrote: Wouldn't a sufficiently large swap (100GB for example) completely prevent out of memory conditions and the oom-killer? Of course, on any system with more than a few dozen MB of RAM, but I can't imagine any combination

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Friday 22 July 2011 18:41:26 Sebastian Beßler wrote: > Am 22.07.2011 16:57, schrieb Alan McKinnon: > > It may look like KDE is the likely culprit based on just the > > information you provide, but I would be more inclined to look at > > browser plugins first, concentrating on those with both Fir

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Friday, July 22 at 19:55 (+0100), Peter Humphrey said: > > Wouldn't a sufficiently large swap (100GB for example) completely > prevent > > out of memory conditions and the oom-killer? > > Of course, on any system with more than a few dozen MB of RAM, but I > can't > imagine any combination

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Friday, July 22 at 11:46 (-0700), Grant said: > That's what I'm curious about. If some swap is good, why isn't more > better? Paul has demonstrated that a Linux system will put at least > 10GB to use and probably much more given the opportunity. Disk space > is so cheap, why isn't everyone

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 22 July 2011 19:46:25 Grant wrote: > That's what I'm curious about. If some swap is good, why isn't more > better? Paul has demonstrated that a Linux system will put at least > 10GB to use and probably much more given the opportunity. Disk space > is so cheap, why isn't everyone runni

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Dale
Grant wrote: ... To confuse you even more, there is a swappiness setting as well. On my old x86 rig, I have 2Gbs of ram. My hard drive is really slow since it is IDE. I set swappiness to 20. That tells the kernel that I have swap space but don't use it unless you must. For what I use t

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 22 July 2011 19:13:35 Grant wrote: > Wouldn't a sufficiently large swap (100GB for example) completely prevent > out of memory conditions and the oom-killer? Of course, on any system with more than a few dozen MB of RAM, but I can't imagine any combination of running programs whose siz

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Grant
> ... >>> Then why not have a really big swap file?  If swap is useful as a >>> second layer of caching behind RAM, why doesn't everyone with some >>> extra hard drive space have a 100GB swap file? >> >> I have 12GB of RAM and 12GB of swap on my main PC. Why? Because... why >> not? :) After 5 days

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Grant
... >> Then why not have a really big swap file?  If swap is useful as a >> second layer of caching behind RAM, why doesn't everyone with some >> extra hard drive space have a 100GB swap file? > > I have 12GB of RAM and 12GB of swap on my main PC. Why? Because... why > not? :) After 5 days uptime,

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Mick
On Friday 22 Jul 2011 17:18:40 Sebastian Beßler wrote: > Am 22.07.2011 17:05, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: > > and you strace'd firefox, X or chromium to see where this stuff hangs, > > did you? > > No I did not, a strace is only as good as the person who can read it, > and in my case is that not

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Grant
... > To confuse you even more, there is a swappiness setting as well.  On my old > x86 rig, I have 2Gbs of ram.  My hard drive is really slow since it is IDE. >  I set swappiness to 20.  That tells the kernel that I have swap space but > don't use it unless you must.  For what I use the rig for, 2

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Grant
>> >> Then why not have a really big swap file?  If swap is useful as a >> >> second layer of caching behind RAM, why doesn't everyone with some >> >> extra hard drive space have a 100GB swap file? >> >> >> > You've not understood what I said, I think.  Swap is not useful as >> > filesystem cache.

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Grant
>> Assuming you have the concept right, if I have 'MaxClients 50' and >> 'MaxSpareServers 10', there should never be more than 60 apache2 >> processes running and I should be able to serve up to 50 simultaneous >> TCP sessions? > > I'd guess it wouldnt go past 50. > >> Can anyone explain why I have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info

2011-07-22 Thread Dale
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:54:09AM -0500, Dale wrote: Just picking a post to reply here and it may have a good point. I was browsing around to see what software I had for my UPS. I thought I would download the thing, untar it and just check out the README file to s

[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info

2011-07-22 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:54:09AM -0500, Dale wrote: > Just picking a post to reply here and it may have a good point. I > was browsing around to see what software I had for my UPS. I > thought I would download the thing, untar it and just check out the > README file to see what would be involv

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Am 22.07.2011 16:57, schrieb Alan McKinnon: > It may look like KDE is the likely culprit based on just the > information you provide, but I would be more inclined to look at > browser plugins first, concentrating on those with both Firefox and > Chromium versions from the same developer team.

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone have any trouble with rc_parallel="YES" ?

2011-07-22 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:39:49AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: > Spelunking in /etc/rc.conf, I found the rc_parallel setting, > accompanied with a quite significant WARNING. > > Have anyone experienced any trouble setting rc_parallel to "YES"? I did. I have a net configuration with some VLAN. Each

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Am 22.07.2011 17:05, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: > and you strace'd firefox, X or chromium to see where this stuff hangs, did > you? No I did not, a strace is only as good as the person who can read it, and in my case is that not much, not because I'm too stupid but because I rather let my dri

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info

2011-07-22 Thread Dale
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 21/07/11, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 21/07/11, Dale wrote: I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using G

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 21 July 2011 21:08:49 Albert Hopkins did opine thusly: > > "When a linux machine hits swap, it does so very aggressively, > > there is nothing nice about it at all. The entire machine slows > > to a painstaking crawl for easily a minute at a time while the > > kernel writes pages out to

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 21 July 2011 17:26:33 kashani did opine thusly: > On 7/21/2011 4:53 PM, Grant wrote: > > So swap isn't treated exactly like RAM. It actually has special > > handling in Linux which makes it beneficial to have on almost > > any > > Linux system? According to Alan, things get very bad w

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Friday 22 July 2011 16:39:41 Sebastian Beßler wrote: > Am 22.07.2011 15:13, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: > > maybe it is not KDE's fault when firefox is badly coded? > > Lets think. > KDE4+Firefox = X hangs and firefox can't be killed > XFCE4+Firefox = no problems > > Sure, it has to be firef

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 22 July 2011 16:39:41 Sebastian Beßler did opine thusly: > Am 22.07.2011 15:13, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: > > maybe it is not KDE's fault when firefox is badly coded? > > Lets think. > KDE4+Firefox = X hangs and firefox can't be killed > XFCE4+Firefox = no problems > > Sure, it has

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Grant wrote: >>> Its more how much i/o rather than the size. If you have a bunch of >>> stuff swapped out, but it hardly ever needs to be swapped in, the >>> impact will be low. >>> >>> Keep an eye on the use with vmstat; >>> >>> adam@rix ~ $ vmstat 5 >>> procs ---

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Am 22.07.2011 15:13, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: > maybe it is not KDE's fault when firefox is badly coded? Lets think. KDE4+Firefox = X hangs and firefox can't be killed XFCE4+Firefox = no problems Sure, it has to be firefox Oh and a test 20 minutes ago showed KDE4+Chromium = X hangs and ch

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Thursday 21 July 2011 19:38:53 Mick wrote: > Whatever Dale had on his machine must have infected mine! LOL! > > A 32bit x86 box with KDE4.6, running firefox-3.6.17 and xulrunner-1.9.2.17 > after a few hours and loads of tabs (sometimes up to 15 or so) eventually > hangs X. > > I can switch to

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Friday 22 July 2011 13:54:09 Sebastian Beßler wrote: > Am 21.07.2011 20:38, schrieb Mick: > > Whatever Dale had on his machine must have infected mine! LOL! > > > > A 32bit x86 box with KDE4.6, running firefox-3.6.17 and > > xulrunner-1.9.2.17 after a few hours and loads of tabs (sometimes up

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:16:41 -0400, Albert Hopkins wrote: > Think of it this way: You have a house with an attic. Now the attic is > not as "efficient" as say, the middle of your living room. You have a > Christmas tree, but you only use that Christmas tree maybe once a year. > Now it's much mor

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Am 21.07.2011 20:38, schrieb Mick: > Whatever Dale had on his machine must have infected mine! LOL! > > A 32bit x86 box with KDE4.6, running firefox-3.6.17 and xulrunner-1.9.2.17 > after a few hours and loads of tabs (sometimes up to 15 or so) eventually > hangs X. I had the same problem with

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 21 July 2011 21:44:51 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Sounds like a case for a swap partition that can be activated when you > need it for big emerges. I hit the same thing with firefox-5 oddly > enough. I have one smallish swap partition at PRI=10 and a bigger one at PRI=1. > As for OOo, lon

[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info

2011-07-22 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 21/07/11, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > The 21/07/11, Dale wrote: > > > I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so > > long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use > > them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. > > Try VESA.

[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info

2011-07-22 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 21/07/11, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:14:11 -0500, Dale wrote: > > > > It's the standard video driver, x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa > > > And I change nvidia to vesa or do I need to unmerge nvidia first? > > If you keep xorg.conf, change it to use vesa. Or move it to /r