Re: [gentoo-user] Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.

2010-03-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 02 March 2010 08:33:07 Mick wrote: > On Monday 01 March 2010 10:11:18 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:08:22 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > We just log the fact of running sudo. The admins are trusted to not > > > cock things up, and if they do, to not try and hide it. T

Re: [gentoo-user] Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.

2010-03-01 Thread Mick
On Monday 01 March 2010 10:11:18 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:08:22 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > We just log the fact of running sudo. The admins are trusted to not > > cock things up, and if they do, to not try and hide it. The philosophy > > is simple - if we feel we can't trus

Re: [gentoo-user] Advice/best practices for a new Gentoo installation

2010-03-01 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Freitag 26 Februar 2010 schrieb Paul Hartman: > Hi, I'm building a new personal computer. I respect the opinion and > experience of the people on this list and am interested in anyone's > advice on the best way to set up my new Gentoo installation. Things > that you say "I wish I set mine up th

[gentoo-user] [OT] NoSQL?

2010-03-01 Thread walt
This article was a big surprise to me. Am I the last one to hear about this stuff? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10461670-16.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

2010-03-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 02 March 2010 01:17:06 Mick wrote: > Thanks Alan, your insight in this is much appreciated. I've been trying > different things and keep coming back to fluxbox. Having spent time some > years ago to set it up just-as-I-want-it in terms of the menu with all my > apps, as well as the

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

2010-03-01 Thread Mick
On Monday 01 March 2010 21:17:23 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Monday 01 March 2010 22:28:42 Mick wrote: > > > My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X > > > screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I > > > want it to just > > > > > > use the same set

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Pending layman directory "relocation"

2010-03-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:07:07 -0500, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: > > Or you can edit /var/lib/layman/make.conf and change the locations > > there. > > That didn't work for me; the current layman script still references the > old location; which is why I added the soft link. You have to set the locatio

[gentoo-user] Re: nvidia GeForce 6200 questions

2010-03-01 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi, >   I've been trying to get an nvidia controller working today and not > having much luck. It's complaining about failing to load kernel > module. SOLVED: Mar 1 14:36:49 dragonfly kernel: NVRM: This PCI I/O region assigned to your NVIDIA

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia GeForce 6200 questions

2010-03-01 Thread John H. Moe
Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi, >I've been trying to get an nvidia controller working today and not > having much luck. It's complaining about failing to load kernel > module. > >As a starting point I'm following this guide: > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml > >My nvidia device

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia GeForce 6200 questions

2010-03-01 Thread Neil Walker
Mark Knecht wrote: > and from this nVidia page seems to be supported by the 173.xx series drivers: > Yes, but I don't think they are compatible with the 2.6.33 kernel. There was a patch for the 190.53 driver released yesterday to make it work with 2.6.33. Try that. Be lucky, Neil http://www.

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia GeForce 6200 questions

2010-03-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 02 March 2010 00:04:08 Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi, >I've been trying to get an nvidia controller working today and not > having much luck. It's complaining about failing to load kernel > module. > >As a starting point I'm following this guide: > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvid

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

2010-03-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 01 March 2010 22:28:42 Mick wrote: > > My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X > > screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want > > it to just > > > > use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets > > must b

[gentoo-user] nvidia GeForce 6200 questions

2010-03-01 Thread Mark Knecht
Hi, I've been trying to get an nvidia controller working today and not having much luck. It's complaining about failing to load kernel module. As a starting point I'm following this guide: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml My nvidia device is (I think) a GeForce 6 family car

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Pending layman directory "relocation"

2010-03-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 01 March 2010 22:19:45 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2010-03-01 1:26 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > Or you can edit /var/lib/layman/make.conf > > Also - why /var/lib/layman, and not /var/lib/portage/layman? It looks a > little odd just dumped in there all by itself. Becuase layman is not par

Re: [gentoo-user] Official document for stabilization policy/guideline

2010-03-01 Thread Justin
On 01/03/10 16:39, Lie Ryan wrote: > I've found a few people referencing to a "30-day stabilization policy" > which basically says a package must be at least 30-days-old to be > considered for stabilization, but is there any document that serves as > an official guideline/checklist on how to consid

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

2010-03-01 Thread Mick
On Monday 01 March 2010 16:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote: > Alex Schuster wrote: > > [KDE4 problems] > > > And so on. But it's not so bad I cannot work with it (well, sometimes > > it is, and then I have to fix it, like when the password dialog no > > longer accepted passwords), and so I keep using i

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

2010-03-01 Thread Mick
On Monday 01 March 2010 19:22:29 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Monday 01 March 2010 21:07:18 Dale wrote: > > And to think I have been in KDE 4 for almost a week now. Maybe this is > > to soon to remove KDE 3? > > To be fair, amarok is not part of KDE-4, it's a third party add-on to the > KDE framewo

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

2010-03-01 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Monday 01 March 2010 21:07:18 Dale wrote: And to think I have been in KDE 4 for almost a week now. Maybe this is to soon to remove KDE 3? To be fair, amarok is not part of KDE-4, it's a third party add-on to the KD

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Pending layman directory "relocation"

2010-03-01 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2010-03-01 1:26 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Or you can edit /var/lib/layman/make.conf Also - why /var/lib/layman, and not /var/lib/portage/layman? It looks a little odd just dumped in there all by itself. -- Charles

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Pending layman directory "relocation"

2010-03-01 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2010-03-01 2:02 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: > I did; I simply moved the whole layman directory. Works. Yeah, but I didn't start off using layman when I added my first local ebuild a long time ago, so they are not under layman - they are at the same level - ie, /usr/local/portage contains: /app-adm

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

2010-03-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 01 March 2010 21:07:18 Dale wrote: > And to think I have been in KDE 4 for almost a week now. Maybe this is > to soon to remove KDE 3? To be fair, amarok is not part of KDE-4, it's a third party add-on to the KDE framework. Not much the KDE devs can do about that except encourage the

Re: [gentoo-user] Pending layman directory "relocation"

2010-03-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 01 March 2010 20:30:24 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2010-03-01 1:08 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: > > So layman users choosing alternative A. now may want to add a step; > > after moving the directory, put a soft link in the /usr/local/portage > > pointing to the new location; i.e. > > > > cd /usr/lo

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

2010-03-01 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Monday 01 March 2010 18:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote: On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve this. And there are these annoy

[gentoo-user] Re: Pending layman directory "relocation"

2010-03-01 Thread 7v5w7go9ub0o
On 03/01/10 13:26, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 03/01/2010 08:08 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: (this is a rather obvious fix...) eselect news has a new notice, advising of the pending change of the presumed location of the layman directory from /usr/local/portage/layman to /var/lib/layman. It offers t

Re: [gentoo-user] Pending layman directory "relocation"

2010-03-01 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2010-03-01 1:08 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: > So layman users choosing alternative A. now may want to add a step; > after moving the directory, put a soft link in the /usr/local/portage > pointing to the new location; i.e. > > cd /usr/local/portage; ln -s /var/lib/layman layman Thanks, I was plann

[gentoo-user] Re: Pending layman directory "relocation"

2010-03-01 Thread 7v5w7go9ub0o
On 03/01/10 13:30, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-03-01 1:08 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: So layman users choosing alternative A. now may want to add a step; after moving the directory, put a soft link in the /usr/local/portage pointing to the new location; i.e. cd /usr/local/portage; ln -s /var/lib/layma

Re: [gentoo-user] vmware-workstation from vmware overlay broken digest

2010-03-01 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Monday 01 March 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > If any dev from the vmware overlay reads this, please fix this one: > > Calculating dependencies / * Digest verification failed: > * > /var/lib/layman/vmware/app-emulation/vmware-workstation/vmware-workstation- > 7.0.1.227600.ebuild * Reason: F

Re: [gentoo-user] Official document for stabilization policy/guideline

2010-03-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 01 March 2010 17:39:47 Lie Ryan wrote: > I've found a few people referencing to a "30-day stabilization policy" > which basically says a package must be at least 30-days-old to be > considered for stabilization, but is there any document that serves as > an official guideline/checklist on

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

2010-03-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 01 March 2010 18:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote: > On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I > cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve > this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very > unstable, and taking 5 minut

[gentoo-user] Re: Pending layman directory "relocation"

2010-03-01 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 03/01/2010 08:08 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: (this is a rather obvious fix...) eselect news has a new notice, advising of the pending change of the presumed location of the layman directory from /usr/local/portage/layman to /var/lib/layman. It offers three ways to deal with this location change.

[gentoo-user] Pending layman directory "relocation"

2010-03-01 Thread 7v5w7go9ub0o
(this is a rather obvious fix...) eselect news has a new notice, advising of the pending change of the presumed location of the layman directory from /usr/local/portage/layman to /var/lib/layman. It offers three ways to deal with this location change. I chose alternative A. (actually moving the di

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual booting Dell with Windows 7

2010-03-01 Thread Mick
On 1 March 2010 15:04, Peter Ruskin wrote: > On Sunday 28 February 2010 23:51:21 Mick wrote: >> I have now succeeded at achieving what I wanted:  to use the >> Windows 7 boot manager (bootmgr.exe) which is the successor to >> NTLDR to chainload GRUB from it and so leave the Windows >> installation

[gentoo-user] vmware-workstation from vmware overlay broken digest

2010-03-01 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
If any dev from the vmware overlay reads this, please fix this one: Calculating dependencies / * Digest verification failed: * /var/lib/layman/vmware/app-emulation/vmware-workstation/vmware-workstation-7.0.1.227600.ebuild * Reason: Failed on RMD160 verification * Got: 3619a7454b53411695537b5

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo down?

2010-03-01 Thread Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 05:30:40PM +0100, Daniel Wagener wrote: > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:34:30 -0800 > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > Guess I'll have to wait for some nvidia installation instructions. > > Thanks! > > you may try the wiki though... > http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Main_Page > And

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo down?

2010-03-01 Thread Daniel Wagener
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:34:30 -0800 Mark Knecht wrote: > > Guess I'll have to wait for some nvidia installation instructions. > Thanks! you may try the wiki though... http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Main_Page

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo down?

2010-03-01 Thread Arttu V.
On 3/1/10, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Lie Ryan wrote: >> On 03/02/10 01:24, Mark Knecht wrote: >>> I guess the web site is down this morning? (6:30AM PST) I cannot get >>> through anyway. >>> >>> - Mark >> >> Confirmed, though I can still ping it. >> > > Guess I'll have

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

2010-03-01 Thread Alex Schuster
Alex Schuster wrote: [KDE4 problems] > And so on. But it's not so bad I cannot work with it (well, sometimes > it is, and then I have to fix it, like when the password dialog no > longer accepted passwords), and so I keep using it, waiting it to > become really stable and usable. And another week

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo down?

2010-03-01 Thread Lie Ryan
On 03/02/10 01:24, Mark Knecht wrote: > I guess the web site is down this morning? (6:30AM PST) I cannot get > through anyway. > > - Mark Confirmed, though I can still ping it.

[gentoo-user] Official document for stabilization policy/guideline

2010-03-01 Thread Lie Ryan
I've found a few people referencing to a "30-day stabilization policy" which basically says a package must be at least 30-days-old to be considered for stabilization, but is there any document that serves as an official guideline/checklist on how to consider to stabilize a package? Is the 30-day po

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo down?

2010-03-01 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Lie Ryan wrote: > On 03/02/10 01:24, Mark Knecht wrote: >> I guess the web site is down this morning? (6:30AM PST) I cannot get >> through anyway. >> >> - Mark > > Confirmed, though I can still ping it. > > > Guess I'll have to wait for some nvidia installation ins

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo down?

2010-03-01 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Crístian Viana wrote: > yeah, it's really down: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.gentoo.org > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> I guess the web site is down this morning? (6:30AM PST) I cannot get >> through anyway. >> >> - Mark Coo

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo down?

2010-03-01 Thread Crístian Viana
yeah, it's really down: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.gentoo.org On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: > I guess the web site is down this morning? (6:30AM PST) I cannot get > through anyway. > > - Mark > > -- Crístian Deives dos Santos Viana [aka CD1]

[gentoo-user] Gentoo down?

2010-03-01 Thread Mark Knecht
I guess the web site is down this morning? (6:30AM PST) I cannot get through anyway. - Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] aclocal failing on all emerges

2010-03-01 Thread Alex Schuster
Harry Putnam writes: > All fail when aclocal is trotted out. I don't see recent threads here > about it... googling turns up a herd of bugs involving aclocal but > then newest is 2008. > > The newest threads here that even mention aclocal date around Jan 20. > > I didn't change the compiler (gc

Re: [gentoo-user] Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.

2010-03-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:08:22 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > We just log the fact of running sudo. The admins are trusted to not > cock things up, and if they do, to not try and hide it. The philosophy > is simple - if we feel we can't trust you, we would not have hired you. That is sensible, if not

Re: [gentoo-user] mail client for mbox format sought

2010-03-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 01 March 2010 11:08:27 Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: > On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 10:06:49AM +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > > Hi, > > > > my setup here is a running Postix MTA which stores all incoming mail > > into a single file (per user) in mbox format (/var/spool/mail/$USER) > > > > I'

Re: [gentoo-user] Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.

2010-03-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 01 March 2010 03:47:12 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 01:07:21 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Don't read my post as literally meaning they must type the 7 characters > > "sudo su". Read it more as "use any feature of sudo you feel like to > > get a root shell, but you must use

Re: [gentoo-user] mail client for mbox format sought

2010-03-01 Thread Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 10:06:49AM +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > Hi, > > my setup here is a running Postix MTA which stores all incoming mail > into a single file (per user) in mbox format (/var/spool/mail/$USER) > > I'm desparately looking for a mail client with a GUI which can handle > that.

[gentoo-user] mail client for mbox format sought

2010-03-01 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi, my setup here is a running Postix MTA which stores all incoming mail into a single file (per user) in mbox format (/var/spool/mail/$USER) I'm desparately looking for a mail client with a GUI which can handle that. I didn't manage to configure Thunderbird(-3.0.1) (it always tries to set up an

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] attach a perl script to daemon services

2010-03-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 01 March 2010 06:16:09 Harry Putnam wrote: > Alan McKinnon writes: > > FWIW, Solaris syslogd is like other basic tools on Solaris: standards > > compliant in that it caters for the lowest common denominator that > > comprises Unix. Which is to say, almost always useless for real work. >

Re: [gentoo-user] Multi-file search & replace of text

2010-03-01 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 28 Feb, Stroller wrote: > Hi there, > > If I want to automagically replace text in a file, I can use `sed`. I don't > believe that `sed` can be invoked in such a way to change the file in place, > therefore two commands are necessary: > >$ sed 's/Project Gutenberg/Wordsworth Classics/' f