Re: [gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources

2017-04-29 Thread Brant Williams
Thanks to everyone involved in the Gentoo Hardened project, especially Spender and Pax Guy, for the effort and guidance throughout the years. The anecdotes shared in this thread echo my own experiences to a degree, and I've learned a lot about computer security by trying to get the grsec RBAC syste

Re: [gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources

2017-04-29 Thread Tóth Attila
2017.Április 29.(Szo) 20:43 időpontban Daniel Cegiełka ezt írta: >> That's the part I don't get either. Since the only possible motivation >> I can think of for this move is to generate more income, they could've >> at least tried asking the community for donations first. > > It's more complex: > >

Re: [gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources

2017-04-29 Thread Daniel Cegiełka
2017-04-29 19:04 GMT+02:00 Luis Ressel : > On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 17:56:10 +0200 > Daniel Cegiełka wrote: > >> By the way, I don't know what the Gentoo Hardened or Alpine Linux >> have done wrong, that now are left out in the cold. > > That's the part I don't get either. Since the only possible motiv

Re: [gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources

2017-04-29 Thread Luis Ressel
On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 17:56:10 +0200 Daniel Cegiełka wrote: > By the way, I don't know what the Gentoo Hardened or Alpine Linux > have done wrong, that now are left out in the cold. That's the part I don't get either. Since the only possible motivation I can think of for this move is to generate m

Re: [gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources

2017-04-29 Thread Luis Ressel
On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 18:52:56 +0200 Javier Juan Martinez Cabezon wrote: > It's not one PaX alternative as its only one of its features but rsbac > recently implemented native W or X and seems to work fine If you're only looking for userland W^X, SELinux has some support for that, too (I don't kno

Re: [gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources

2017-04-29 Thread Javier Juan Martinez Cabezon
It's not one PaX alternative as its only one of its features but rsbac recently implemented native W or X and seems to work fine On 29/04/17 17:56, Daniel Cegiełka wrote: > 2017-04-29 14:47 GMT+02:00 Alex Efros : > It's not about grsecurity, it's about PaX. This was the basic layer > of protect

Re: [gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources

2017-04-29 Thread Alex Efros
Hi! On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 03:46:54PM +0200, PaX Team wrote: > > But at soon as their customers (say, some government org or large > > company) will APPLY that patch to Linux kernel and try to DISTRIBUTE that > > kernel on their computers > > there's no need to speculate on this, the FSF has alr

Re: [gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources

2017-04-29 Thread Daniel Cegiełka
2017-04-29 14:47 GMT+02:00 Alex Efros : > Hi! > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 01:49:20PM +0200, Luis Ressel wrote: >> I suppose we all just grudgingly switch over to gentoo-sources? > > I wonder for how long time current kernel with grsec will be more safe and > protected against new exploits than up-t

Re: [gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources

2017-04-29 Thread Paweł Hajdan , Jr .
On 29/04/2017 15:11, Alex Efros wrote: > Sure, they can sell their patch to Linux kernel without opensourcing that > patch. But at soon as their customers (say, some government org or large > company) will APPLY that patch to Linux kernel and try to DISTRIBUTE that > kernel on their computers - the

Re: [gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources

2017-04-29 Thread PaX Team
On 29 Apr 2017 at 16:11, Alex Efros wrote: > Hi! > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 01:49:20PM +0200, Luis Ressel wrote: > > in case anyone hasn't read in on LWN yet, here's what I'm talking > > about: https://grsecurity.net/passing_the_baton.php > > Sorry for OT, but is this legal? Or, more correct, i

Re: [gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources

2017-04-29 Thread Alex Efros
Hi! On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 01:49:20PM +0200, Luis Ressel wrote: > in case anyone hasn't read in on LWN yet, here's what I'm talking > about: https://grsecurity.net/passing_the_baton.php Sorry for OT, but is this legal? Or, more correct, is this will works? Sure, they can sell their patch to Lin

Re: [gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources

2017-04-29 Thread Alex Efros
Hi! On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 01:49:20PM +0200, Luis Ressel wrote: > I suppose we all just grudgingly switch over to gentoo-sources? I wonder for how long time current kernel with grsec will be more safe and protected against new exploits than up-to-date gentoo-sources… Something new in security: a

[gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources

2017-04-29 Thread Luis Ressel
Hello, in case anyone hasn't read in on LWN yet, here's what I'm talking about: https://grsecurity.net/passing_the_baton.php In short, the grsecurity upstream folks decided they don't give a shit about the benefits of open source anymore even though their work wouldn't even possible without those