Re: [gentoo-dev] Mailing list moderation and community openness

2018-03-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:38 PM, kuzetsa wrote: > > I think this may be a misunderstanding? no? there might be some mailing > list jargon term: "moderation" which I was unaware of: > Historically moderation meant having list traffic held prior to distribution for approval from a moderator. > I'

[gentoo-dev] Re: Mailing list moderation and community openness

2018-03-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 7:54 PM, Benda Xu wrote: >> >> It boils down to an attitude of assuming outsiders are good (blacklist >> to ML) or bad (whitelist to ML) by default. ++ This is the most crucial point. It is the general attitude: Does Gentoo welcome contributions or

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] eclass: freedict: require EAPI=6

2018-03-27 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018, Marty E Plummer wrote: > As a pretty simple eclass, which only inherited multilib in > order to get $(get_libdir) and eutils for who knows why, and > all its consumers bumped to EAPI=6, it makes sense to require > EAPI 6 for this eclass While at it: - Drop the IUSE="" a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Mailing list moderation and community openness

2018-03-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote: > > It is the general attitude: Does Gentoo welcome contributions > or want to make their developers live in an ivory tower? > > It is about openness vs. isolation. > I'm pretty sure most developers, myself included, want to welcome contributio

[gentoo-dev] Re: Mailing list moderation and community openness

2018-03-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote: >> >> It is about openness vs. isolation. > > I'm pretty sure most developers, myself included, want to welcome > contributions. Closing of the mailing list does not sound like that. > Much of the concern is that the lis

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Mailing list moderation and community openness

2018-03-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Martin Vaeth wrote: > Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote: >>> >>> It is about openness vs. isolation. >> >> I'm pretty sure most developers, myself included, want to welcome >> contributions. > > Closing of the mailing lis

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Mailing list moderation and community openness

2018-03-27 Thread M. J. Everitt
On 27/03/18 17:39, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Martin Vaeth wrote: >> Rich Freeman wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote: It is about openness vs. isolation. >>> I'm pretty sure most developers, myself included, want to welcome >>> contri

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Mailing list moderation and community openness

2018-03-27 Thread R0b0t1
I really do hate discussing this. I will pray for Gentoo, friends, as I hope the distribution continues to receive useful contributions. On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > Now a bunch of community members get upset about Fred being booted out > without reason. Fred claims i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Mailing list moderation and community openness

2018-03-27 Thread Stephen Christie
Hello, I joined this mailing list a week ago, and the first email I received apparently restarted these long arguments for and against censorship here. There are lots of reasons for and against both sides, and lots of people on either side apparently. These are now the majority of the emails I'

[gentoo-dev] Re: New Portage fork: sys-apps/portage-mgorny

2018-03-27 Thread Duncan
Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov posted on Sun, 25 Mar 2018 17:13:28 +0700 as excerpted: > Well, in *my* opinion, in turn, having possibility to {R,}DEPEND on > package from exact repo is much and much more needed functionality. > > Say, I have pkg2 in my repo, that depends on pkg1, which is in my repo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Mailing list moderation and community openness

2018-03-27 Thread Dawid Weglinski
2018-03-27 18:39 GMT+02:00 Rich Freeman : > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Martin Vaeth wrote: > > Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote: > >>> > >>> It is about openness vs. isolation. > >> > >> I'm pretty sure most developers, myself included, want to

[gentoo-dev] Re: Mailing list moderation and community openness

2018-03-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
Rich Freeman wrote: > > Fred is a community member. Fred consistently harasses and trolls new > contributors in private. Sure, it's a problem. But not a problem which can be solved by closing the mailing list, in no step of the issue. First of all, this happens in private, so you cannot prevent