Re: [gentoo-dev] Last Rites: Dead X11 packages

2018-02-08 Thread Brian Evans
On 2/7/2018 9:54 PM, Matt Turner wrote: > # Matt Turner (06 Feb 2018) > # Dead and unused > # Masked for removal in 30 days. Bug #646838 > x11-libs/libXCalibrate > x11-libs/libXfontcache > x11-misc/xtscal > x11-proto/fontcacheproto > x11-proto/xcalibrateproto > x11-proto/xf86rushproto > From e59

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last Rites: Dead X11 packages

2018-02-08 Thread Michael Lienhardt
From e590965cdeb0c921194740da0481c85afaa1ebae Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Matt Turner Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 14:02:59 -0800 Subject: x11-base/xorg-server: Remove dead x11-proto/xf86rushproto dependency rushproto hasn't been required since upstream commit 8ec79e05feac (in 2005!), and even th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last Rites: Dead X11 packages

2018-02-08 Thread Mart Raudsepp
On Thu, 2018-02-08 at 14:57 +0100, Michael Lienhardt wrote: > > >  From e590965cdeb0c921194740da0481c85afaa1ebae Mon Sep 17 > > > 00:00:00 2001 > > > From: Matt Turner > > > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 14:02:59 -0800 > > > Subject: x11-base/xorg-server: Remove dead x11- > > > proto/xf86rushproto depende

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last Rites: Dead X11 packages

2018-02-08 Thread James Le Cuirot
On Thu, 08 Feb 2018 16:51:52 +0200 Mart Raudsepp wrote: > On Thu, 2018-02-08 at 14:57 +0100, Michael Lienhardt wrote: > > > >  From e590965cdeb0c921194740da0481c85afaa1ebae Mon Sep 17 > > > > 00:00:00 2001 > > > > From: Matt Turner > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 14:02:59 -0800 > > > > Subject: x1

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last Rites: Dead X11 packages

2018-02-08 Thread Michael Lienhardt
Il 08/02/2018 16:04, James Le Cuirot ha scritto: Citing Kenneth Hoste at FOSDEM this year: modifying a package without changing its version is a bad idea. His presentation was very good (video included): https://fosdem.org/2 018/schedule/event/how_to_make_package_managers_cry/ This isn't so c

[gentoo-dev] [PATCH] glep-0074: Remove single filesystem limitation

2018-02-08 Thread Michał Górny
Remove the limitation that all files covered by the Manifest must reside on a single filesystem. This breaks valid uses of overlayfs without providing any real advantage. The removal is justified further in the updated rationale section. --- glep-0074.rst | 66 +++-

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last Rites: Dead X11 packages

2018-02-08 Thread James Le Cuirot
On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 18:05:55 +0100 Michael Lienhardt wrote: > Il 08/02/2018 16:04, James Le Cuirot ha scritto: > >>> Citing Kenneth Hoste at FOSDEM this year: modifying a package > >>> without changing its version is a bad idea. > >>> His presentation was very good (video included): > >>> https://

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] glep-0074: Remove single filesystem limitation

2018-02-08 Thread M. J. Everitt
On 08/02/18 17:09, Michał Górny wrote: > Remove the limitation that all files covered by the Manifest must reside > on a single filesystem. This breaks valid uses of overlayfs without > providing any real advantage. > > The removal is justified further in the updated rationale section. > --- > gle

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last Rites: Dead X11 packages

2018-02-08 Thread Matt Turner
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:37 AM, Brian Evans wrote: > On 2/7/2018 9:54 PM, Matt Turner wrote: >> # Matt Turner (06 Feb 2018) >> # Dead and unused >> # Masked for removal in 30 days. Bug #646838 >> x11-libs/libXCalibrate >> x11-libs/libXfontcache >> x11-misc/xtscal >> x11-proto/fontcacheproto >> x1

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] glep-0074: Remove single filesystem limitation

2018-02-08 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu czw, 08.02.2018 o godzinie 17∶25 +, użytkownik M. J. Everitt napisał: > On 08/02/18 17:09, Michał Górny wrote: > > Remove the limitation that all files covered by the Manifest must reside > > on a single filesystem. This breaks valid uses of overlayfs without > > providing any real advan

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last Rites: Dead X11 packages

2018-02-08 Thread Brian Evans
On 2/8/2018 12:14 PM, James Le Cuirot wrote: > On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 18:05:55 +0100 > Michael Lienhardt wrote: >> Thanks for the information and sorry for the noise. >> I wasn't fully aware of the meaning of the --dynamics-deps and >> --changed-deps option. I am still not entirely convinced that >> c

[gentoo-dev] rfc: handling the "uucp" group

2018-02-08 Thread William Hubbs
Hi all, I have noticed that in the latest versions of udev we are patching the default upstream rules to accomodate our "uucp" group. I don't think it is a good idea to patch default rules, so, I want to bring up possible fixes. First, baselayout has had the "dialout" group since 2015, so the

[gentoo-dev] newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-08 Thread William Hubbs
All, here is a proposed newsitem for baselayout 2.5. Let me know what you think, including whether these are newsitem-worthy or not. Thanks, William Title: baselayout 2.5 updates Author: William Hubbs Posted: 2018-02-xx Revision: 1 News-Item-Format: 2.0 Display-If-Installed: signature.asc D

Re: [gentoo-dev] SAT-based dependency solver: request for test cases

2018-02-08 Thread Toralf Förster
On 02/06/2018 11:52 AM, Michael Lienhardt wrote: > > To help, you can send us the tar generated by this bash script: > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/HyVar/gentoo_to_mspl/master/benchmarks/get_installation.sh > > This bash script extracts your world file, the USE flags and keywords > configurati

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-08 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:52 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > here is a proposed newsitem for baselayout 2.5. > > Let me know what you think, including whether these are newsitem-worthy > or not. Eliminating ROOTPATH seems like a significant change. Was this officially discussed somewhere that

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: handling the "uucp" group

2018-02-08 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:03 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > Hi all, > > I have noticed that in the latest versions of udev we are patching the > default upstream rules to accomodate our "uucp" group. > > I don't think it is a good idea to patch default rules, so, I want to > bring up possible fixes.

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: handling the "uucp" group

2018-02-08 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, William Hubbs wrote: > First, baselayout has had the "dialout" group since 2015, so the > longterm fix imo is to possibly use that instead of the uucp group. > What would it take to make that happen, or are we stuck with the > uucp group forever? There was an old discuss

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last Rites: Dead X11 packages

2018-02-08 Thread James Le Cuirot
On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 13:02:28 -0500 Brian Evans wrote: > On 2/8/2018 12:14 PM, James Le Cuirot wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 18:05:55 +0100 > > Michael Lienhardt wrote: > >> Thanks for the information and sorry for the noise. > >> I wasn't fully aware of the meaning of the --dynamics-deps and >

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-08 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, Mike Gilbert wrote: > Eliminating ROOTPATH seems like a significant change. Was this > officially discussed somewhere that I missed? > I actually support the change, but other people should be given the > chance to complain about it on the record. It contradicts the FHS

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-08 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 3:41 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, Mike Gilbert wrote: > >> Eliminating ROOTPATH seems like a significant change. Was this >> officially discussed somewhere that I missed? > >> I actually support the change, but other people should be given the >> chan

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-08 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Feb 08, 2018 at 03:55:02PM -0500, Mike Gilbert wrote: > On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 3:41 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, Mike Gilbert wrote: > > > >> Eliminating ROOTPATH seems like a significant change. Was this > >> officially discussed somewhere that I missed? > > > >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-08 Thread M. J. Everitt
On 08/02/18 22:13, William Hubbs wrote: > On Thu, Feb 08, 2018 at 03:55:02PM -0500, Mike Gilbert wrote: >> However, there are plenty of examples of commands that normal users >> may run from sbin. Moving these commands often causes problems for >> packages that either hard code absolute paths, or

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-08 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/08/2018 05:13 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > There are no reasons to remove the *sbin directories from PATH; I know > of no other distros that do this. The first reason that comes to mind is that when I type something like p to remind me of a command name, I don't need to see 50 programs that

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-08 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:17 PM, M. J. Everitt wrote: > > > On 08/02/18 22:13, William Hubbs wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 08, 2018 at 03:55:02PM -0500, Mike Gilbert wrote: >>> However, there are plenty of examples of commands that normal users >>> may run from sbin. Moving these commands often causes prob

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-08 Thread William Hubbs
All, here is a link to an old, but brief discussion about this. https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/2fc1f62c7cf225787fe52f4dace7368c I think we have talked about this several other times, but not done anything about it. On Thu, Feb 08, 2018 at 10:17:59PM +, M. J. Everitt wrote: >

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-08 Thread M. J. Everitt
On 08/02/18 22:33, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > here is a link to an old, but brief discussion about this. > > https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/2fc1f62c7cf225787fe52f4dace7368c > > I think we have talked about this several other times, but not done > anything about it. > > On Thu,

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-08 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/08/2018 05:33 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > There are actually quite a few binaries in /sbin and /usr/sbin which > can be useful for non-root users. Sure, we could go through there > carefully and move stuff to /bin but honestly doing what everybody > else does and just sticking /sbin in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: handling the "uucp" group

2018-02-08 Thread R0b0t1
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, William Hubbs wrote: > >> First, baselayout has had the "dialout" group since 2015, so the >> longterm fix imo is to possibly use that instead of the uucp group. >> What would it take to make that happen, or are we st

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-08 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Feb 08, 2018 at 05:49:52PM -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 02/08/2018 05:33 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > > > There are actually quite a few binaries in /sbin and /usr/sbin which > > can be useful for non-root users. Sure, we could go through there > > carefully and move stuff to /bin b

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-08 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/08/2018 06:12 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > There is no bug here. The problem, as I said before in this thread, is > that what goes in *sbin is arbitrary, and as Rich said, if you are > relying on the path to prevent a non-root user from running something > that only root should run, you are

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-08 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 02/08/2018 06:12 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >> >> There is no bug here. The problem, as I said before in this thread, is >> that what goes in *sbin is arbitrary, and as Rich said, if you are >> relying on the path to prevent a non-root use

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: handling the "uucp" group

2018-02-08 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, R0b0t1 wrote: > It makes the most sense to me to give a uucp user dialout or tty > permission, instead of adding myself to the uucp group, a name which > references programs most people won't have installed and won't know > about. The tty group has an entirely different