[gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread Martin Vaeth
Ruud Koolen wrote: > > As a compromise solution for minor archs, it would be nice if there were a > portage feature allowing me to ACCEPT_KEYWORDS those packages that are > keyworded both ~arch, and stable on some major arch. For example, on m68k, it > would select packages that are keyworded ~m68

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread Peter Stuge
Sergey Popov wrote: > As i said earlier, problem begins when we NEED to stabilize > something to prevent breakages and arch teams are slow. Isn't that simply a matter of assigning and respecting priority on bugs properly? //Peter pgpNUTerDIRPI.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Sergey Popov wrote: >> As i said earlier, problem begins when we NEED to stabilize >> something to prevent breakages and arch teams are slow. > > Isn't that simply a matter of assigning and respecting priority on > bugs properly? Are you sugg

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 16/01/2014 19:56, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: >> Sergey Popov wrote: >>> As i said earlier, problem begins when we NEED to stabilize >>> something to prevent breakages and arch teams are slow. >> >> Isn't that simply a matter of assigning and respe

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread Peter Stuge
Rich Freeman wrote: > >> As i said earlier, problem begins when we NEED to stabilize > >> something to prevent breakages and arch teams are slow. > > > > Isn't that simply a matter of assigning and respecting priority on > > bugs properly? > > Are you suggesting that we should forbid people from w

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread Peter Stuge
Alan McKinnon wrote: > "Respecting bug priority" feels like that corporate BS I have to put up > with every day. Gentoo is incorporated so maybe that fits. ;) On a more serious note, please try to understand what I meant rather than just what I wrote. I wrote both "assigning" and "respecting"; y

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > I certainly don't think the work needs to go away if the work is > considered to be important. It's fine to have open bugs for years > in the absence of a good solution. I get what you're saying, though there is still a cost to leaving the bug

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 01:42:41PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > > I certainly don't think the work needs to go away if the work is > > considered to be important. It's fine to have open bugs for years > > in the absence of a good solution. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread Peter Stuge
Rich Freeman wrote: > I get what you're saying, though there is still a cost to leaving the > bug open to years. In this case it means an old package stays in the > tree marked as stable. That either costs maintainers the effort to > keep it work, or they don't bother to keep in working in which

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 16/01/2014 20:26, Peter Stuge wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: >> "Respecting bug priority" feels like that corporate BS I have to put up >> with every day. > > Gentoo is incorporated so maybe that fits. ;) > > On a more serious note, please try to understand what I meant rather > than just what

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread Peter Stuge
Alan McKinnon wrote: > > I wrote both "assigning" and "respecting" > > I reckon the cardinal rule is "avoid as much as possible having priority > set by someone who is not solving the problem". I think that comes close > in my words to what you are saying. Yes that's exactly what I mean. Thanks f

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 23:28:04 -0800 Christopher Head wrote: > If I need or want a feature or bugfix which isn’t in the newer > version, I always have the choice to use ~. Yes. > If I don’t, why do I care if the package is a year old? I lose none > of my time to use the old version, since it does

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:20:37 +0400 Sergey Popov wrote: > It can not go to no result, unless we have no breakages in stable, > stable REMAINS stable. If it contains old, but working software - then > it is stable. An ebuild promoted to stable is because an arch team (or a privileged maintainer to

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread grozin
On Thu, 16 Jan 2014, Sergey Popov wrote: 3. Also, another interesting question has come up in this thread, that of non-binary packages. Should we give maintainers the option of stabilizing them on all arch's themselves? 3. If code is interpreted rather then compiled, it does not matter that it i

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread grozin
Sorry for following up myself, On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, gro...@gentoo.org wrote: OK, let's be conservative. Python and Perl scripts may break on some arches (I'd say it's a rare exception, perhaps 1%, but still). But what about dev-java/java-sdk-docs dev-db/postgresql-docs sys-kernel/linux-docs de

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-16 Thread Matt Turner
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:02 PM, wrote: > Sorry for following up myself, > > > On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, gro...@gentoo.org wrote: >> >> OK, let's be conservative. Python and Perl scripts may break on some >> arches (I'd say it's a rare exception, perhaps 1%, but still). But what >> about >> >> dev-ja