Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Ben de Groot wrote: > I understand why the council rejected Debian's C.UTF-8 option, > but is there really no better default that we can use? > Without any default locale set, in practically all cases that means > that the user is presented with English, and mostly the

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/27/2012 03:08 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > As I had pointed out before [1], changing from POSIX to an en_US > locale will have undesirable side effects, like commas as thousands > separators in numbers (because of LC_NUMERIC). Also the defaults

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Dan Douglas
On Friday, July 27, 2012 09:08:36 AM Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Ben de Groot wrote: > > > I understand why the council rejected Debian's C.UTF-8 option, > > but is there really no better default that we can use? > > > Without any default locale set, in practically all case

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Ben de Groot
On 27 July 2012 16:06, Dan Douglas wrote: > On Friday, July 27, 2012 09:08:36 AM Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> > On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Ben de Groot wrote: >> >> > I understand why the council rejected Debian's C.UTF-8 option, >> > but is there really no better default that we can use? >> >> > Withou

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Cyprien Nicolas
Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Ben de Groot wrote: >> >> So let's upgrade to en_US.UTF-8, which is for most users more >> desirable than the current situation. Of course we will still advise >> them to set their desired locales in /etc/locale.gen. But at least >> they will start with

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Michał Górny
On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:38:30 +0200 Cyprien Nicolas wrote: > Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Ben de Groot wrote: > >> > >> So let's upgrade to en_US.UTF-8, which is for most users more > >> desirable than the current situation. Of course we will still > >> advise them to set their

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Michał Górny
On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:34:01 +0800 Ben de Groot wrote: > On 27 July 2012 16:06, Dan Douglas wrote: > > On Friday, July 27, 2012 09:08:36 AM Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >> > On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Ben de Groot wrote: > >> > >> > I understand why the council rejected Debian's C.UTF-8 option, > >> >

[gentoo-dev] Re: Detecting ignored *FLAGS

2012-07-27 Thread Duncan
Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina posted on Fri, 27 Jul 2012 01:44:47 -0400 as excerpted: > * Messages for package app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-baselibs-20120520: > > * QA Notice: Missing soname symlink(s): > * > *usr/lib32/libgnuintl.so.8 -> preloadable_libintl.so > * > * QA Notice: Missing s

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Ulrich Mueller schrieb: > As I had pointed out before [1], changing from POSIX to an en_US > locale will have undesirable side effects, like commas as thousands > separators in numbers (because of LC_NUMERIC). Also the defaults of > en_US for LC_MEASUREMENT and LC_PAPER are only useful in the U.S.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Detecting ignored *FLAGS

2012-07-27 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il 26/07/2012 23:51, Michał Górny ha scritto: > You are looking for QA_FLAGS_IGNORED. Actually I'd say QA_PREBUILT. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] Re: Portage FEATURE suggestion - limited-visibility builds

2012-07-27 Thread Michael Palimaka
Autodep[1][2] is a current implementation of this idea, with library hook and FUSE options. Would definitely love to see more development in this area. :) [1]: https://dev.gentoo.org/~neurogeek/guidexml/ [2]: http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/autodep.git;a=summary

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage FEATURE suggestion - limited-visibility builds

2012-07-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Zac Medico wrote: > > It seems like you might need some kind of copy-on-write support, at > least to run pkg_setup. Apparently cowbuilder uses cow hardlinks for > that. Another way would be to use fiemap (cp --reflink). Reflinks would be a much clearer implementat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-27 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:49:04PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > [ snip ] > > 9) Otherwise, at very minimum, they're failing the "build udev pretty > > much the same as before" > > ./configure > make > make install > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 27 July 2012 08:13:16 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > Ulrich Mueller schrieb: > > As I had pointed out before [1], changing from POSIX to an en_US > > locale will have undesirable side effects, like commas as thousands > > separators in numbers (because of LC_NUMERIC). Also the defa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Detecting ignored *FLAGS

2012-07-27 Thread Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/27/2012 06:49 AM, Duncan wrote: > Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina posted on Fri, 27 Jul 2012 01:44:47 -0400 as > excerpted: > >> * Messages for package app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-baselibs-20120520: >> >> * QA Notice: Missing soname symlink(s): >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] epatch still no helper function? [from eutils.eclass]

2012-07-27 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 18 July 2012 12:18:35 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 5:33 PM, hasufell wrote: > > > "epatch" is so widely used and basic that I wonder why it's still not > > > implemented as a real helper function. > > > > Because then its harder to change, it must be in PMS,

Re: [gentoo-dev] epatch still no helper function? [from eutils.eclass]

2012-07-27 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 18 July 2012 13:29:41 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:18:35 +0200 "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 5:33 PM, hasufell > > > > > > wrote: > > > > "epatch" is so widely used and basic that I wonder why it's still > > > > not implemented as a real

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Pacho Ramos
El vie, 27-07-2012 a las 13:24 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió: > On Friday 27 July 2012 08:13:16 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > > Ulrich Mueller schrieb: > > > As I had pointed out before [1], changing from POSIX to an en_US > > > locale will have undesirable side effects, like commas as tho

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Aaron W. Swenson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/27/2012 02:29 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > El vie, 27-07-2012 a las 13:24 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió: >> On Friday 27 July 2012 08:13:16 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn >> wrote: >>> Ulrich Mueller schrieb: As I had pointed out before [1], ch

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il 27/07/2012 13:16, Aaron W. Swenson ha scritto: > Really, how much of an inconvenience is it that we don't use UTF-8 as > a default? Given that there are a ton and a half of Python packages that do not work with a non-utf8 locale, I'd say it's quite a thing. So either we go with an UTF-8 defaul

[gentoo-dev] Fwd: Heads up for Qt5

2012-07-27 Thread Ben de Groot
Hi! We are getting nearer to a Qt5 beta release. Although it has already been postponed a couple of times, we should expect it some time this summer. This means we will start to see packages offering Qt5 support. Pesa has already done a terrific job preparing live ebuilds and eclasses for buildin

[gentoo-dev] Re: Fwd: Heads up for Qt5

2012-07-27 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 28/07/12 08:22, Ben de Groot wrote: In preparation for that, we want to ask maintainers of all ebuilds in the tree with dependencies on Qt4, to make sure that they have the proper slot. Otherwise your package may pull in Qt5 while it may not in fact support it. This can be trouble if the app

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fwd: Heads up for Qt5

2012-07-27 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 July 2012 13:59, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 28/07/12 08:22, Ben de Groot wrote: >> >> In preparation for that, we want to ask maintainers of all ebuilds in >> the tree with dependencies on Qt4, to make sure that they have the >> proper slot. Otherwise your package may pull in Qt5 while it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fwd: Heads up for Qt5

2012-07-27 Thread Davide Pesavento
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 28 July 2012 13:59, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> On 28/07/12 08:22, Ben de Groot wrote: >>> >>> In preparation for that, we want to ask maintainers of all ebuilds in >>> the tree with dependencies on Qt4, to make sure that they have the >>

[gentoo-dev] Re: Fwd: Heads up for Qt5

2012-07-27 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 28/07/12 09:46, Davide Pesavento wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 28 July 2012 13:59, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: [...] So what would be the methodology of making sure a package has the proper slot? Obviously you would need to make sure that the package actua