On 6/19/10 8:43 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> As long as it doesn't get actively hostile we can continue with a
> pretty large amount of friction. Read the archives of this mailing
> list if you want to see how much :)
I think that is the point. Is just not being actively hostile a success?
I'd say
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto posted on Sat, 19 Jun 2010 03:20:08 + as
excerpted:
> you're confusing talk and jokes between developers on a particular
> private room with tone between members of the global community in public
> mediums.
It's possible that's the case. However, it's also the case
On 06/19/2010 09:10 AM, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote:
> I think that is the point. Is just not being actively hostile a success?
Given our past, yes. Given the size of our project, yes. The sheer size
of the project guarantees that not everybody will like everyone. They
merely get along and no thread
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 09:00:26AM +, Duncan wrote:
> Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto posted on Sat, 19 Jun 2010 03:20:08 + as
> excerpted:
>
> > you're confusing talk and jokes between developers on a particular
> > private room with tone between members of the global community in public
> > m
On 19 June 2010 09:10, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote:
> On 6/19/10 8:43 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
>> As long as it doesn't get actively hostile we can continue with a
>> pretty large amount of friction. Read the archives of this mailing
>> list if you want to see how much :)
>
> I think that is the poi
Jorge,
On 06/19/10 05:20, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
> you're confusing talk and jokes between developers on a particular
> private room with tone between members of the global community in public
> mediums.
It wasn't #gentoo-roughshit, it was in #gentoo-infra - the place devs go
on infra
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> I was more or less told to fuck off if I don't like the tone.
Please watch your language, this is a public mailing-list.
Denis.
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Denis Dupeyron wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
>> I was more or less told to fuck off if I don't like the tone.
>
> Please watch your language, this is a public mailing-list.
>
I think that now we've come full-circle, and render
Nirbheek,
On 06/19/10 17:34, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> No, really, flaming #gentoo-infra on the gentoo-dev mailing list is
> silly, useless *and* ironic (in this case).
It's not about the infra team, it's about communication in the
#gentoo-infra channel. All of "silly, useless *and* ironic" cou
Jeremy,
On 06/19/10 06:45, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
> On 06/18/2010 09:25 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
>
>>In #gentoo-infra
>
> #gentoo-infra is a private channel and you don't have to be in there. No
> public community members/users are in there. The "tone" can be anything
> that is acceptable
On 06/19/10 08:43, Patrick Lauer wrote:
>> Now that's tone in Gentoo. Brilliant.
>
> And you're ugly!
>
> Hey, you're doing it yourself. You're using sarcasm (I assume you do,
> otherwise the positive "Brilliant." doesn't fit in the context of "Oh
> dear, these rude people said that!")
You got
Brian,
On 06/19/10 11:37, Brian Harring wrote:
> and you do not go into someone's home and tell them
> what they can/cannot say.
right. #gentoo-infra is not anybody's home though: it's an infra-matter
channel of Gentoo.
If you like to view it as anybody's home it's home of Gentoo and
therefor
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On 19-06-2010 16:15, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> Jeremy,
>
>
> On 06/19/10 06:45, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
>> On 06/18/2010 09:25 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
>>
>>>In #gentoo-infra
>>
>> #gentoo-infra is a private channel and you don't have to be in
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> On 06/19/10 17:34, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> No, really, flaming #gentoo-infra on the gentoo-dev mailing list is
>> silly, useless *and* ironic (in this case).
>
> It's not about the infra team, it's about communication in the
> #gentoo-
On 06/19/2010 01:06 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
On 19-06-2010 16:15, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
#gentoo-infra is a channel on infra matters.
The fact that it's developers only doesn't make it a private channel in
a sense of "tone doesn't matter".
you've failed to notice an important po
On 06/19/2010 06:54 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
This is a point that deserves more consideration. One of the top
reasons (as witnessed in forum discussions) many people are not
getting more involved and volunteering to become developers is the
level of in-fighting and the ineffective way that bullies
>> Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2010/2011 are now open for the next
>> two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2010).
> I'd like to nominate betelgeuse, calchan, and ssuominen (no way you're getting
> out of here that easy).
thanks for nominating, but i'll decline
- Samuli
> If #gentoo-infra bangs their moms the rest of the community deserves to
> know.
Oh? What do you do at night with your girlfriend (or boyfriend or yourself)?
The community deserves to know!
> > You have shown to be very attached to this topic, so much so that you've
> > just blown this comple
Am 13.06.2010 22:36, schrieb Duncan:
> Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto posted on Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:26:26 + as
> excerpted:
>
>> there was a proposal to create a sunset overlay, like the java team used
>> and now kde uses as well. The purpose of this overlay would be to keep
>> the packages that a
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:54:25 +0200
Ben de Groot wrote:
> This is a point that deserves more consideration. One of the top
> reasons (as witnessed in forum discussions)
Unfortunately, that's selecting a rather biased audience. The success
of a forum depends upon the number of active posters it has
Ben de Groot wrote:
On 19 June 2010 09:10, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote:
On 6/19/10 8:43 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
As long as it doesn't get actively hostile we can continue with a
pretty large amount of friction. Read the archives of this mailing
list if you want to see how much :)
On 06/19/10 19:50, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
>> If #gentoo-infra bangs their moms the rest of the community deserves to
>> know.
>
> Oh? What do you do at night with your girlfriend (or boyfriend or yourself)?
> The community deserves to know!
My point was about the style of communication in ther
On 06/19/10 19:59, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> This is a point that deserves more consideration. One of the top
>> reasons (as witnessed in forum discussions)
>
> Unfortunately, that's selecting a rather biased audience. The success
> of a forum depends upon the number of active posters it has. The
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On 19-06-2010 17:40, Richard Freeman wrote:
> On 06/19/2010 01:06 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
>> On 19-06-2010 16:15, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
>>> #gentoo-infra is a channel on infra matters.
>>> The fact that it's developers only doesn't mak
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 20:57:03 +0200
Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> This may apply to easy and/or 99%-technical problems with a dictator
> around. That's not what we have here. It's two black-and-white for
> my taste, too.
No, that's the nice thing about delivering a product based upon
technical meri
Ciaran,
On 06/19/10 21:16, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> No, that's the nice thing about delivering a product based upon
> technical merit: most of the time, there are right answers and there
> are wrong answers, and careful investigation and good management can
> lead to it being determined which is
Team,
Everything is in place to allow voting in the above election commence
as planned on June 20th at 00:00:00 UTC.
The polls will remain open until July 3rd 23:59:59 UTC.
Your candidates are:-
betelgeuse
chainsaw
ferringb
halcy0n
jmbsvicetto
patrick
phajdan.jr
scarabeus
sping
wired
_reopen_no
On 19 June 2010 19:50, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
>> If #gentoo-infra bangs their moms the rest of the community deserves to
>> know.
>
> Oh? What do you do at night with your girlfriend (or boyfriend or yourself)?
> The community deserves to know!
Take it somewhere else. We dont want this here.
>>
On Thursday, June 10, 2010 16:45:29 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
> 2010-06-10 22:20:44 Nirbheek Chauhan napisał(a):
> > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar wrote:
> > > 2010-06-10 21:27:40 Jeremy Olexa napisał(a):
> > >> I see no reason to *not* add a ChangeLog
As you've seen, Chainsaw is on the list as a council candidate.
I use Gentoo in a professional capacity, as a UNIX systems administrator
for one of the largest internet exchanges in the world [1]. Right now, I
administer 42 machines running non-multilib hardened AMD64.
The topic of "Gentoo in the e
On 19 June 2010 19:59, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:54:25 +0200
> Ben de Groot wrote:
>> This is a point that deserves more consideration. One of the top
>> reasons (as witnessed in forum discussions)
>
> Unfortunately, that's selecting a rather biased audience. The success
> o
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 23:03:31 +0200
Ben de Groot wrote:
> That is an incredibly shortsighted and cynic look at the community.
> Keep it off this list.
I consider that remark disrespectful. By rejecting comments in such an
impolite manner, and without explaining why you think the comment is
incorre
On 06/19/10 18:20, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
>> And never forget, I don't care if you're upset that I filed 35 bugs for
>> you.
> If you mean what you say: that's pretty insensitive.
But I honestly don't care how you _feel_ about a bug.
There's a defect. It's a fact. The only way to change it is to
On 06/19/10 23:20, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 23:03:31 +0200
> Ben de Groot wrote:
>> That is an incredibly shortsighted and cynic look at the community.
>> Keep it off this list.
>
> I consider that remark disrespectful. By rejecting comments in such an
> impolite manner, and w
On Saturday 19 June 2010 22:03:31 Ben de Groot wrote:
> It is about whether Gentoo wants to keep around people [...] who
> continually attack others
Considering the number of attacks directed towards Paludis developers (and
sometimes users), and lack of corresponding punishment, I can only assume
On 06/19/10 23:57, David Leverton wrote:
> On Saturday 19 June 2010 22:03:31 Ben de Groot wrote:
>> It is about whether Gentoo wants to keep around people [...] who
>> continually attack others
>
> Considering the number of attacks directed towards Paludis developers (and
> sometimes users), and
http://xkcd.com/386/
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On Saturday 19 June 2010 23:01:33 Patrick Lauer wrote:
> you're actively stepping in the way of moving fists to complain that
> people punch you. Stop doing that.
You mean banning trolls is an invitation for you to snip the trolling and
publicly accusing me of banning them on a whim? (excerpt fr
On Saturday 19 June 2010 23:05:25 Domen Kožar wrote:
> http://xkcd.com/386/
s/wrong/attacking me in public/ and it might be closer.
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