[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 55 Version 2

2009-06-07 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Sun, 07 Jun 2009, Steven J Long wrote: > I'd just like to know what the implications would be for users if we > kept the .ebuild extension, and a new PMS were rolled out stating > that the mangler were allowed to find the EAPI without sourcing (and > giving the restrictions) once portage

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 55 Version 2

2009-06-07 Thread Richard Freeman
Ulrich Mueller wrote: Let's assume for the moment that we change from ".ebuild" to ".eb". Then we obviously cannot change all ebuilds in the tree to ".eb", otherwise old Portage versions would see an empty tree and there would be no upgrade path. Or am I missing something? That is a good poin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2009/2010 - Nominations are now open

2009-06-07 Thread Thomas Anderson
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 11:25:54PM +0200, Dawid W??gli??ski wrote: > On Monday 01 of June 2009 06:25:06 Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > > Hello fellow developers and users. > > > > I nominate: > > Betelgeuse > Calchan > peper > darkside > tanderson > Cardoe > Thanks Dawid, Mounir, and Tizia

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 55 Version 2

2009-06-07 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Sunday 07 June 2009 11:34:12 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Sun, 07 Jun 2009, Steven J Long wrote: > > > > I'd just like to know what the implications would be for users if we > > kept the .ebuild extension, and a new PMS were rolled out stating > > that the mangler were allowed to find the EA

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 55 Version 2

2009-06-07 Thread Federico Ferri
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Sun, 07 Jun 2009, Steven J Long wrote: > >> I'd just like to know what the implications would be for users if we >> kept the .ebuild extension, and a new PMS were rolled out stating >> that the mangler were allowed to fi

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 55 Version 2

2009-06-07 Thread Duncan
Richard Freeman posted 4a2baaa9.4030...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:55:21 -0400: > As far as an upgrade path goes - we could provide a one-time tarball > that will update portage (and its essential dependencies) to a version > that can get users out of this bind. If a us

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 55 Version 2

2009-06-07 Thread Richard Freeman
Patrick Lauer wrote: And if you really absolutely have to do that you can change the sync location on every disruptive change, but (imo) that should be avoided. If mirroring and other practical concerns weren't an issue what you're essentially describing is just moving to a CVS/git/etc reposit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Old eclasses - candidates for removal?

2009-06-07 Thread Petteri Räty
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > Petteri Räty wrote: >> Ulrich Mueller wrote: > ... >>> A quick scan shows that the following eclasses were deprecated more >>> than three years ago, and are used by no ebuild in the tree: >>> >>>2002-05-25 inherit.eclass >>>2003-12-11 kde-i18n.eclass

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 55 Version 2

2009-06-07 Thread Roy Bamford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2009.06.07 10:34, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Sun, 07 Jun 2009, Steven J Long wrote: > > > I'd just like to know what the implications would be for users if > we > > kept the .ebuild extension, and a new PMS were rolled out stating > > that t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2009/2010 - Nominations are now open

2009-06-07 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Anderson wrote: ... ... please remember to vote for gentoofan23, not tanderson(irc nick). ;-) > > Regards, > Thomas This is why everyone should verify their votes when submitting them. Don't forget to run: $ votify --verify If you use a

[gentoo-dev] Enough about GLEP5{4,5}

2009-06-07 Thread Rémi Cardona
Seriously, let's stop. This endless debate has gone on for waaay too long and it is just plain spam now. I'm just too tired of reading those endless discussions that are going _nowhere_. Let's just all agree we've failed to reach a consensus and let's spend time on something else. Surely

Re: [gentoo-dev] Enough about GLEP5{4,5}

2009-06-07 Thread Roy Bamford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2009.06.07 16:54, Rémi Cardona wrote: > Seriously, let's stop. > > This endless debate has gone on for waaay too long and it is just > plain > spam now. [snip] > Let's just all agree we've failed to reach a consensus and let's > spend time on s

[gentoo-dev] Detecting Baselayout2/OpenRC from init.d scripts (summary of debate and plans from bug 270646)

2009-06-07 Thread Robin H. Johnson
Hi folks, This is a summary of how to detect Baselayout-2/OpenRC from within init.d scripts. We raised it in January, without any actual final agreement: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_5959bcfaf3ba566c551823039643f5c5.xml Also, there were some items that weren't raised in the previous

Re: [gentoo-dev] Detecting Baselayout2/OpenRC from init.d scripts (summary of debate and plans from bug 270646)

2009-06-07 Thread Samuli Suominen
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > GDP team: > (I didn't hear from you in the bug) > Could you please update: > - handbook section "Writing Init scripts" > - OpenRC migration guide ACK on this one, we are already overwhelmed by openrc changes wrt init scripts at media teams. Or at least, I am. Thanks, Sam

Re: [gentoo-dev] Detecting Baselayout2/OpenRC from init.d scripts (summary of debate and plans from bug 270646)

2009-06-07 Thread Josh Saddler
Samuli Suominen wrote: > Robin H. Johnson wrote: >> GDP team: >> (I didn't hear from you in the bug) >> Could you please update: >> - handbook section "Writing Init scripts" >> - OpenRC migration guide > > ACK on this one, we are already overwhelmed by openrc changes wrt init > scripts at media te

Re: [gentoo-dev] Detecting Baselayout2/OpenRC from init.d scripts (summary of debate and plans from bug 270646)

2009-06-07 Thread Roy Marples
Josh Saddler wrote: Also, if OpenRC/baselayout is dropping support for things like PPP or ADSL[1], and will not guarantee a "stable" configuration (i.e. as "final" as baselayout-1 has been, not needing constant user-side updates)[2] . . . then we need to find some other solution for our users.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Detecting Baselayout2/OpenRC from init.d scripts (summary of debate and plans from bug 270646)

2009-06-07 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Robin H Johnson wrote: > 2. Right now, every init.d script that needs to detection should revbump >and change to the following: >[[ -f /lib/librc.so -o -f /etc/init.d/sysfs -o -f /libexec/rc/version ]] Wasn't the convention for init scripts to use only single squ

Re: [gentoo-dev] Detecting Baselayout2/OpenRC from init.d scripts (summary of debate and plans from bug 270646)

2009-06-07 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 12:02:44AM +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Robin H Johnson wrote: > > 2. Right now, every init.d script that needs to detection should revbump > >and change to the following: > >[[ -f /lib/librc.so -o -f /etc/init.d/sysfs -o -f /libexec/rc/ve

Re: [gentoo-dev] Detecting Baselayout2/OpenRC from init.d scripts (summary of debate and plans from bug 270646)

2009-06-07 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 01:45:15PM -0700, Josh Saddler wrote: > Then, my fellow developers, ya'll need to tell us exactly what needs to > change. That has not yet happened on the bugs, just a lot of offtopic > discussion relevant to the package maintainers, but not to the GDP for > documentation pu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Detecting Baselayout2/OpenRC from init.d scripts (summary of debate and plans from bug 270646)

2009-06-07 Thread Roy Marples
Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 12:02:44AM +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Robin H Johnson wrote: 2. Right now, every init.d script that needs to detection should revbump and change to the following: [[ -f /lib/librc.so -o -f /etc/init.d/sysfs -o -f /libex

Re: [gentoo-dev] Detecting Baselayout2/OpenRC from init.d scripts (summary of debate and plans from bug 270646)

2009-06-07 Thread Josh Saddler
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > [stuff] Thanks, will take a look. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Detecting Baselayout2/OpenRC from init.d scripts (summary of debate and plans from bug 270646)

2009-06-07 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 12:00:59AM +0100, Roy Marples wrote: >> Roy: [[ or [? > Entirely depends on system. > OpenRC uses /bin/sh to process the actual init script. We rely on /bin/sh > claiming POSIX compat [1]. On Gentoo Linux systems, this is normally a link > to bash, so you can use bashisms

[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2009-06-07 23h59 UTC

2009-06-07 Thread Robin H. Johnson
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed from the tree, for the week ending 2009-06-07 23h59 UTC. Removals: x11-misc/basket 2009-06-01 01:27:53 tampakrap media-libs/libspiff 2009-06-01 16:08:39 ssuominen x11-misc/ope

Re: [gentoo-dev] Detecting Baselayout2/OpenRC from init.d scripts (summary of debate and plans from bug 270646)

2009-06-07 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Robin H Johnson wrote: > Is "[[" a bashism or not? That's all I'm asking. /bin/sh under FreeBSD 7.0: $ [[ -n "foo" ]] [[: not found Ulrich