Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Last rites for $package ...

2006-09-30 Thread Thilo Bangert
> Or you haven't talked to me or Beandog at all; since he has been > working on this a while (now with upgraded tools!). what i'd like to see is a system, to which one would give a package name, which then handles the removal (almost) automatically. that way devs would have an easier time actu

[gentoo-dev] last rites for www-servers/spawn-fcgi and dev-libs/localizer

2006-09-30 Thread Thilo Bangert
the packages www-servers/spawn-fcgi and dev-libs/localizer where originally added as support for lighttpd. in the meantime lighttpd provides the same functionality and no version of lighttpd depends on these packages anymore - in fact, they block. furthermore no other package has ever dep

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:40:07 +0200 "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | This is a discussion to follow up bug #149508 [1]. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149536#c4 -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail: ciaranm at ciaranm.org Web : http://ciaranm.or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:40:07 +0200 "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | This is a discussion to follow up bug #149508 [1]. > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149536#c4 If I were you, I'd rather not mention that bug. Really don't see what y

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:37:59 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Additionally, it would be nice if these discussions involved | concerned arches and were not done ex post in future cases. Uh, Jakub, part of the design of the devmanual was that it would be possible for the right people to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Saturday 30 September 2006 14:25, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149536#c4 You bring up the point that you don't take any argument? The argument is still valid, nobody provided a reason for the change. I don't take anybody's word as a granted, so I don't care i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:40:44 +0200 "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Saturday 30 September 2006 14:25, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149536#c4 | | You bring up the point that you don't take any argument? | | The argument is still valid

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask)

2006-09-30 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:37:59 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Additionally, it would be nice if these discussions involved > | concerned arches and were not done ex post in future cases. > > Uh, Jakub, part of the design of the devmanual was that it would be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Saturday 30 September 2006 15:14, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > It is not a change in policy. It's a codification of existing practice. The behaviour of portage seems to ask you to differ on this. But you also seem to lose your point. I'm discussing the change of behaviour with respect to portage,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:40:07 +0200 "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a discussion to follow up bug #149508 [1]. > > The bug points to a behaviour change in handling of the profiles > file, that, in my opinion at least, needs to be discussed, as there > are profiles

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask)

2006-09-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
seriously jakub, stop responding ... you have nothing technical to offer to the issue at hand let the people who work on portage handle it -mike pgpiPg7pzkzw4.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask)

2006-09-30 Thread Jakub Moc
Mike Frysinger wrote: > seriously jakub, stop responding ... you have nothing technical to offer to > the issue at hand > > let the people who work on portage handle it > -mike Eh, the whole technical point here is that paludis behaviour differs from portage (and differs from pkgcore, FWIW). So

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask)

2006-09-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 30 September 2006 13:02, Jakub Moc wrote: > Eh, the whole technical point here is that paludis behaviour differs > from portage (and differs from pkgcore, FWIW). the technical point is what is the expected behavior of the packages file ... seems silly to duplicate masking across two d

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask)

2006-09-30 Thread Danny van Dyk
Am Samstag, 30. September 2006 19:02 schrieb Jakub Moc: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > seriously jakub, stop responding ... you have nothing technical to > > offer to the issue at hand > > > > let the people who work on portage handle it > > -mike > > Eh, the whole technical point here is that paludis

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 30 September 2006 00:40, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > For what I can tell, the current behaviour has the advantage of providing a > different masking reason for packages that are *needed to some version* for > the profile to be complete, and for packages that are know not to work

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask)

2006-09-30 Thread Jakub Moc
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Saturday 30 September 2006 13:02, Jakub Moc wrote: >> Eh, the whole technical point here is that paludis behaviour differs >> from portage (and differs from pkgcore, FWIW). > > the technical point is what is the expected behavior of the packages file ... > seems silly t

[gentoo-dev] How default route should be set by pppd

2006-09-30 Thread Alin Nastac
Hi fellow devs, I discovered that ppp-2.4.4 set a default route without a gateway. It is totally fine from IP routing point of view (the simple fact that route is through the point-to-point link is enough to know the next hop), except that openswan's %defaultroute need a default gateway in order t

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 27 September 2006 03:54, Brian Harring wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:24:41AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > as i said, if you have changed ABI without an ABI bump, then the upstream > > package maintainer is screwing everyone who uses the package, not just > > Gentoo ... so per

Re: [gentoo-dev] How default route should be set by pppd

2006-09-30 Thread Roy Marples
On Saturday 30 September 2006 18:59, Alin Nastac wrote: > I discovered that ppp-2.4.4 set a default route without a gateway. It is > totally fine from IP routing point of view (the simple fact that route > is through the point-to-point link is enough to know the next hop), > except that openswan's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: tuxracer/tuxracer-demo

2006-09-30 Thread Peter Gordon
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > games-arcade/tuxracer - the last open source version of the game > games-arcade/tuxracer-demo - the demo for the closed-source version > Good riddance, I say. ppracer for the win! :) -- Peter Gordon (codergeek42) Gentoo Forums Global Moderator GnuPG Public Key ID: 0xFFC

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 02:01:08PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Wednesday 27 September 2006 03:54, Brian Harring wrote: > > > > Bleh, this is getting back to exactly my point that it's unbounded > > > > resolution. To support this, every step of execution would require > > > > scanning for da

Re: [gentoo-dev] How default route should be set by pppd

2006-09-30 Thread Alin Nastac
Roy Marples wrote: > So how does that look in the routing table? > "default dev ppp0 scope link" instead "default via a.b.c.d dev ppp0". > If say a DHCP client renewed it's lease and it set a new default route, would > this have any effect? > I guess a DHCP client would override the default

[gentoo-dev] Re: How default route should be set by pppd

2006-09-30 Thread Sven Köhler
> I discovered that ppp-2.4.4 set a default route without a gateway. It is > totally fine from IP routing point of view (the simple fact that route > is through the point-to-point link is enough to know the next hop), > except that openswan's %defaultroute need a default gateway in order to > work.

[gentoo-dev] Re: How default route should be set by pppd

2006-09-30 Thread Sven Köhler
> "default dev ppp0 scope link" instead "default via a.b.c.d dev ppp0". And? What the difference? For the P-t-P connection, there is not difference. There is only one destination, you can send the packets to: the ppp-server on the other side. Only for normal network-connections (eth0, ...), you

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Lionel Bouton
Hi, I just had an unpleasant experience with -ffast-math and GCC 4.1.1 (it borked my LDAP authentication on several systems which worked with the same CFLAGS as long as GCC 3.4.6 was used). There is a lot of material out there about CFLAGS and Gentoo (google returns 387000 pages) but what's workin

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Dominique Michel
Le Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:35:58 +0200, Lionel Bouton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > Hi, I just had an unpleasant experience with -ffast-math and GCC 4.1.1 > (it borked my LDAP authentication on several systems which worked with > the same CFLAGS as long as GCC 3.4.6 was used). > > There is a lot of

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Ryan Hill
Lionel Bouton wrote: > There are already good resources (http://gentoo-wiki.com/CFLAGS_matrix > was mentioned to me by robbat2) but they may not be advertised enough. Most of the info on that page is wrong. > I'd like to propose a paragraph to the GWN editor which presents some > gotchas and goo

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 30 September 2006 16:35, Lionel Bouton wrote: > There is a lot of material out there about CFLAGS `man gcc` always seemed fine to me in fact, lets read the -ffast-math section: -ffast-math This option should never be turned on by any -O option since it can

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 03:48:53PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: > Lionel Bouton wrote: > > There are already good resources (http://gentoo-wiki.com/CFLAGS_matrix > > was mentioned to me by robbat2) but they may not be advertised enough. > Most of the info on that page is wrong. The items on there that n

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Ryan Hill
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 03:48:53PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: >> Lionel Bouton wrote: >>> There are already good resources (http://gentoo-wiki.com/CFLAGS_matrix >>> was mentioned to me by robbat2) but they may not be advertised enough. >> Most of the info on that page is wron

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Lionel Bouton
Mike Frysinger wrote the following on 30.09.2006 23:48 : > [...] > `man gcc` always seemed fine to me > > in fact, lets read the -ffast-math section: >-ffast-math >This option should never be turned on by any -O option since it can >result in incorrect output for pro

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Ryan Hill
Lionel Bouton wrote: > I'll wait and see if other devs are aware of common CFLAGS gotchas > plaguing bugzilla. Flags such as -fforce-addr and -fweb that change the way registers are handled can often cause errors when compiling hand-optimised ASM on architectures with a very limited number of reg

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask)

2006-09-30 Thread Jochen Maes
Danny van Dyk wrote: > Am Samstag, 30. September 2006 19:02 schrieb Jakub Moc: > >> Mike Frysinger wrote: >> >>> seriously jakub, stop responding ... you have nothing technical to >>> offer to the issue at hand >>> >>> let the people who work on portage handle it >>> -mike >>> >> Eh,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Saturday 30 September 2006 19:39, Mike Frysinger wrote: > isnt that the point of putting a comment above a mask ? > # this package wont work on this profile > bar/foo Indeed, but the problem is that the masks are all normalised in one big mask. Which means that users might want to unmask certai

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread George Prowse
Lionel Bouton wrote: Hi, I just had an unpleasant experience with -ffast-math and GCC 4.1.1 (it borked my LDAP authentication on several systems which worked with the same CFLAGS as long as GCC 3.4.6 was used). There is a lot of material out there about CFLAGS and Gentoo (google returns 387000 p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 04:37:05PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: > I thought he wanted flags that broke upgrading between GCC 3.4 and 4.1. > tree-loop-linear wasn't in 3.4. If you want flags that just break > stuff with 4.1 you can include -ftree-vectorize. Thanks. > > The objective here was mainly to