Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-21 Thread Doug Goldstein
Marius Mauch wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:02:57 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Marius Mauch wrote: Now that's a big exaggeration. It _might_ be missing from world updates (there are still many cases where it will be included), but that's not the only available operati

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-21 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:02:57 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marius Mauch wrote: > > Now that's a big exaggeration. It _might_ be missing from world > > updates (there are still many cases where it will be included), but > > that's not the only available operation in portage. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-21 Thread Doug Goldstein
Marius Mauch wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:01:28 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Olivier Crête wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 18:01 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: This brings out the fun of circular depends. I don't really know how to address this but a lot of pa

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Markus Rothe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Bridge wrote: >> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:30:20 +0200 >> Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > IMHO it would be better to teach users to explicitly specify >> > '@system' during updates

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Markus Rothe
Robert Bridge wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:30:20 +0200 > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > IMHO it would be better to teach users to explicitly specify > > '@system' during updates, e.g. `emerge -uDN @system @world`. > > Why not just re-instate the implicit d

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:21:24 +0100 Robert Bridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:30:20 +0200 > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > IMHO it would be better to teach users to explicitly specify > > '@system' during updates, e.g. `emerge -uDN @sys

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:01:28 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Olivier Crête wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 18:01 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: > > > >> This brings out the fun of circular depends. I don't really know > >> how to address this but a lot of packages are going to

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Robert Bridge
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:30:20 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IMHO it would be better to teach users to explicitly specify > '@system' during updates, e.g. `emerge -uDN @system @world`. Why not just re-instate the implicit dependency of world on system? Rob.

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Richard Freeman
Doug Goldstein wrote: Yes. Adding libc everywhere is wrong. However, if you don't have one of the packages listed here [1], your libc won't ever update. Sure it will. When the version of libc you have installed is removed from the portage tree you'll get bumped to the most recent versi

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-18 16:01:28 Doug Goldstein napisał(a): > Olivier Cr�te wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 18:01 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: > > > >> This brings out the fun of circular depends. I don't really know how to > >> address this but a lot of packages are going to have to be updated to > >> co

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Doug Goldstein
Olivier Crête wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 18:01 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: This brings out the fun of circular depends. I don't really know how to address this but a lot of packages are going to have to be updated to contain proper depends. i.e. C based apps will need RDEPEND="virtual/li

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-16 Thread Olivier Crête
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 18:01 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: > This brings out the fun of circular depends. I don't really know how to > address this but a lot of packages are going to have to be updated to > contain proper depends. i.e. C based apps will need > RDEPEND="virtual/libc". C++ packages

[gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-14 Thread Doug Goldstein
With the new split in Portage where system set packages are not considered in an "emerge -auDNv world" unless something in world RDEPENDs on it brings about a few issues. i.e. Portage implicitly has a run time dependency on app-arch/tar, app-arch/bzip2, app-arch/gzip, app-arch/lzma due to the