Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-26 Thread Peter Stuge
Mike Gilbert wrote: > > I would like for us to discuss adding the sbin directories to PATH for > > all users. > > I support this idea. The distinction between bin and sbin is stupid. I support it too FWIW. //Peter

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:10:11 -0600 William Hubbs wrote: >> All, >> >> I would like for us to discuss adding the sbin directories to PATH for >> all users. >> >> The only reason I can think of that we have removed them is cosmetic (it >> re

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:10:11 -0600 William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > I would like for us to discuss adding the sbin directories to PATH for > all users. > > The only reason I can think of that we have removed them is cosmetic (it > removes things from tab completion), but I have also heard that hav

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 09:53:47PM +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Nov 2015, William Hubbs wrote: > > >> > From what I've read, the traditional difference between bin and sbin > >> > was that sbin means static-bin and everything stored in there was to > >> > be able to come up with

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2015, William Hubbs wrote: >> > From what I've read, the traditional difference between bin and sbin >> > was that sbin means static-bin and everything stored in there was to >> > be able to come up without libraries. >> >> Source/reference for this? > https://news.ycombina

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 11/25/15 1:58 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 12:10 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >> All, >> >> I would like for us to discuss adding the sbin directories to PATH for >> all users. > I support this idea. The distinction between bin and sbin is stupid. > I'm okay with this. Should

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 11/25/2015 09:16 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Michał Górny > wrote: >> On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:18:34 -0800 Daniel Campbell >> wrote: >>> Maybe I'm missing something, but `df` is in /bin. Do you use >>> something else

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:18:34 -0800 > Daniel Campbell wrote: >> Maybe I'm missing something, but `df` is in /bin. Do you use something >> else to determine free space? > > btrfs fi df In thins case, upstream's build system installs everything

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread splite-gentoo
On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 07:51:55PM +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Nov 2015, William Hubbs wrote: >> From what I've read, the traditional difference between bin and sbin >> was that sbin means static-bin and everything stored in there was to >> be able to come up without libraries.

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 07:51:55PM +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Nov 2015, William Hubbs wrote: > > > From what I've read, the traditional difference between bin and sbin > > was that sbin means static-bin and everything stored in there was to > > be able to come up without libra

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:18:34 -0800 Daniel Campbell wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 11/25/2015 10:17 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:05:13 +0100 Ulrich Mueller > > wrote: > > > >>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2015, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread Daniel Campbell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 11/25/2015 10:17 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:05:13 +0100 Ulrich Mueller > wrote: > >>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2015, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: >> >>> On 11/25/2015 06:10 PM, William Hubbs wrote: I would like for us to di

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 11:10:11AM -0600, William Hubbs wrote: > I would like for us to discuss adding the sbin directories to PATH for > all users. Binaries that can run with user privileges could be symbolic linked to /bin. -- Nicolas Sebrecht

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 12:10 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > I would like for us to discuss adding the sbin directories to PATH for > all users. I support this idea. The distinction between bin and sbin is stupid.

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2015, William Hubbs wrote: > From what I've read, the traditional difference between bin and sbin > was that sbin means static-bin and everything stored in there was to > be able to come up without libraries. Source/reference for this? > As mgorny was talking about earlier,

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 07:31:14PM +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Nov 2015, William Hubbs wrote: > > > This behaviour is not really that traddditional. most *nix's I've > > seen have the sbin directories in the path for all users. > > Traditional Unices didn't have /sbin at all.

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2015, William Hubbs wrote: > This behaviour is not really that traddditional. most *nix's I've > seen have the sbin directories in the path for all users. Traditional Unices didn't have /sbin at all. Instead, they used /etc for such binaries. :) (Some remnants of this can s

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:05:13 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Nov 2015, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > > > On 11/25/2015 06:10 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > >> I would like for us to discuss adding the sbin directories to PATH > >> for all users. > > > This sounds strange to me

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 06:36:03PM +0100, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 11/25/2015 06:10 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > All, > > > > I would like for us to discuss adding the sbin directories to PATH > > for all users. > > > > This sounds

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2015, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 11/25/2015 06:10 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >> I would like for us to discuss adding the sbin directories to PATH >> for all users. > This sounds strange to me, if it should be executable by all users > it likely shouldn't be in sbin in t

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 11/25/2015 06:10 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > I would like for us to discuss adding the sbin directories to PATH > for all users. > This sounds strange to me, if it should be executable by all users it likely shouldn't be in sbin in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/25/2015 12:10 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > I would like for us to discuss adding the sbin directories to PATH for > all users. > > The only thing that procps installs in /sbin is sysctl. Why? It works when run as a normal user, as long as you don't try to change something sacred. (

[gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sbin directories to PATH for all users

2015-11-25 Thread William Hubbs
All, I would like for us to discuss adding the sbin directories to PATH for all users. The only reason I can think of that we have removed them is cosmetic (it removes things from tab completion), but I have also heard that having those things in tab completion would be a good thing. Another rea