Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-28 Thread Mikey
On Saturday 28 January 2006 12:39, Stephen P. Becker wrote: > > On second thought, never mind :) I am not sure what you are trying to > > point out here in the first place. > > He is trying (quite successfully) to show that you are full of shit. In this particular case, I might have to agree wit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-28 Thread Stephen P. Becker
MIkey wrote: Paul de Vrieze wrote: Using this flags on a freshly compiled stage3 (from a stage1, just running emerge system without setting useflags) I get no blockers at all, when setting the useflags at the point that system has been recompiled. Depclean does suggest removing a number of pac

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-28 Thread MIkey
Paul de Vrieze wrote: > Using this flags on a freshly compiled stage3 (from a stage1, just running > emerge system without setting useflags) I get no blockers at all, when > setting the useflags at the point that system has been recompiled. > > Depclean does suggest removing a number of packages

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-28 Thread MIkey
Paul de Vrieze wrote: > Using this flags on a freshly compiled stage3 (from a stage1, just running > emerge system without setting useflags) I get no blockers at all, when > setting the useflags at the point that system has been recompiled. Are you suggesting that on fresh installs, after editing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-27 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 26 January 2006 18:47, MIkey wrote: > The stage3 install needs to be ditched for anything other than GRP or > livecd installs, because face it, that is what it is. It consists of a > generic system precompiled for desktop use. The toolchain is literally > years behind most of the oth

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-27 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 26 January 2006 18:30, MIkey wrote: > Alec Warner wrote: > > Maybe you think fixing a circular dep is easy, I know I do. But when > > Joe Shmoe think it's OMG U63r 1337 to install gentoo using a stage1 > > because it makes his system so awesomely fast ( hence, The Conrad > > install on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-27 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 26 January 2006 23:07, MIkey wrote: > Jan Kundrát wrote: > > Great, there was a bug. Yeah, there was. Please notice the word "was". > > It means that it has been fixed and it isn't there anymore. So the > > problem got fixed. It's over. Finito. Period. Why are you still talking > > abou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 26 January 2006 14:08, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 26 January 2006 14:00, MIkey wrote: > > /var/lib/portage/world should only contain the names of packages you > > explicitly emerge (without --oneshot). As far as I know an official > > stage3 tarball should only contain package

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-26 Thread Jakub Moc
26.1.2006, 23:02:28, MIkey wrote: > You can purge the old gcc immediately after it upgrades instead of after > the entire system completes. How the fsck does it matter? What's your obsession here??? So purge it and stop this finally, you have a freedom to purge it and you have a freedom to not u

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-26 Thread Jan Kundrát
MIkey wrote: > Because the stage1 method bootstraps gcc/glibc and performs the minimum > steps needed to complete the subsequent emerge -e system. The dependencies > on having the old gcc still available are not there because the packages > have not been built yet. You can purge the old gcc immed

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-26 Thread MIkey
Jan Kundrát wrote: > Great, there was a bug. Yeah, there was. Please notice the word "was". > It means that it has been fixed and it isn't there anymore. So the > problem got fixed. It's over. Finito. Period. Why are you still talking > about it? Because Becker needed to be informed about it. I

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-26 Thread MIkey
Jan Kundrát wrote: > MIkey wrote: A bug, again, that the stage1 installation method was immune to, >>> >>>How come? (I'm not familiar with toolchain.eclass at all.) Because the stage1 method bootstraps gcc/glibc and performs the minimum steps needed to complete the subsequent emerge -e system

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 26 January 2006 14:00, MIkey wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Thursday 26 January 2006 11:06, MIkey wrote: > >> Why should system packages (determined by your profile) be present in > >> the world file on official stage1/3 tarballs? > > > > whether they are in the world file itself

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-26 Thread MIkey
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 26 January 2006 11:06, MIkey wrote: >> Why should system packages (determined by your profile) be present in the >> world file on official stage1/3 tarballs? > > whether they are in the world file itself doesnt really matter > > the "world" target includes all

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-26 Thread MIkey
Wernfried Haas wrote: > So you complain about a problem that is already fixed as if it still > exists? I really don't get it. That particular bug was fixed. Using a stage1/bootstrap approach for a fresh install is a _method_ of installing gentoo that is immune to that particular bug because it i

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-26 Thread MIkey
Alec Warner wrote: > Maybe you think fixing a circular dep is easy, I know I do. But when > Joe Shmoe think it's OMG U63r 1337 to install gentoo using a stage1 > because it makes his system so awesomely fast ( hence, The Conrad > install on the forums, heh ;) ) and he has no ing clue how any