On E, 2009-06-29 at 12:32 +, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 18:12 -0500, Dale wrote:
> > Roy Bamford wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > You agree that common sense can't be used and admit that a corner case
> > > exists that would in effect have the trustees pointing out to the
> > > cou
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 18:12 -0500, Dale wrote:
> Roy Bamford wrote:
> >
> >
> > You agree that common sense can't be used and admit that a corner case
> > exists that would in effect have the trustees pointing out to the
> > council that they had made an error of judgement and need to reverse a
> >
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 23:53 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:
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> On 2009.06.28 23:14, Ferris McCormick wrote:
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> > On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:40:00 +0100
> > Roy Bamford wrote:
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> [snip]
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Hello.
This is a remainder that the voting for this Council's election will end
at 23:59:59 UTC June 30rd - which means in less than 44 hours.
At the moment, we have 101 casted votes which means ~ 41% of attendance.
If you haven't voted yet, please hurry to your booth located at
woodpecker. You ca
ndrew D Kirch wrote:
> Petteri Räty wrote:
>> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>>
> I move that we elect George W Bush and Ciaran McCreesh Council Members
> For Life.
> Are these people serious?
>
> Andrew
Andrew,
I've chosen to reply to this particular mail, but this applies to your
other mails in th
Petteri Räty wrote:
> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Ciaran McCreesh
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:09 +0530
>>> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>>>
Allowing him to proxy in a council meeting is both disallowed
(non-gentoo devs cannot be
Benny Pedersen wrote:
> On Fri, June 26, 2009 03:13, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
>
>> Please be quiet.
>>
>
> why ?, maillists is imho made to be used in non silent mode else one could
> aswell argue to close it down
>
>
Mailing lists he's been booted from twice for astroturfing and abuse.
A
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:04:14 +0530
> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>
> The spirit and the letter of the rules are clear: the electorate can
> vote in whoever they want, and council members can appoint whoever they
> want so long as no-one has multiple votes at any given meaning.
Roy Bamford wrote:
>
>
> You agree that common sense can't be used and admit that a corner case
> exists that would in effect have the trustees pointing out to the
> council that they had made an error of judgement and need to reverse a
> decision that the last meeting made. I would prefer never to
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On 2009.06.28 23:14, Ferris McCormick wrote:
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> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:40:00 +0100
> Roy Bamford wrote:
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> > What if an entire meeting and therefore any votes were staffed by
> > entirely
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:40:00 +0100
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> On 2009.06.28 10:00, Tiziano Müller wrote:
> > Am Freitag, den 26.06.2009, 07:15 -0600 schrieb Denis Dupeyron:
> > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at
Am Sonntag, den 28.06.2009, 20:46 +0100 schrieb George Prowse:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:31:43 +0100
> > George Prowse wrote:
> >> > This strengthening bridge of understanding can be seen in dev-
> >> > zero's move to appoint ciaranm as his proxy for today's council
> >
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:46:27 +0100
George Prowse wrote:
I'm sure getting personal about subjects on a Gentoo mailing list
will endear yourself to everyone.
Uh, isn't that exactly what you're doing?
Nope, I never mentioned anything personal about you, in fact I can't
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:46:27 +0100
George Prowse wrote:
> I'm sure getting personal about subjects on a Gentoo mailing list
> will endear yourself to everyone.
Uh, isn't that exactly what you're doing?
> Thinking logically for a second, if you really cared about Gentoo you
> would have tried yo
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:31:43 +0100
George Prowse wrote:
> This strengthening bridge of understanding can be seen in dev-
> zero's move to appoint ciaranm as his proxy for today's council
> meeting.
If a doctor loses his right to practice medicine you dont allow him
to
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:31:43 +0100
George Prowse wrote:
> > This strengthening bridge of understanding can be seen in dev-
> > zero's move to appoint ciaranm as his proxy for today's council
> > meeting.
>
> If a doctor loses his right to practice medicine you dont allow him
> to speak on the
Alistair Bush wrote:
As our closest relative ( of any distro )
You mean apart from all the other Gentoo based distros?
Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
I think it would be in the best interest of both Exherbo and Gentoo to elect
gentoofan23, betelgeuse, dev-zero, peper, calchan and dertobi123 to the Gentoo
Council.
Why is Exherbo's interests anything to do with Gentoo's? Does this
happen with Sabayon or SystemRescueCd
Am Sonntag, den 28.06.2009, 21:35 +0530 schrieb Nirbheek Chauhan:
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Roy Bamford wrote:
> > Oh. Don't talk about 'common sense' GLEP39 does not mention it, so it
> > doesn't count ... and its much rarer than you may think.
> >
>
> I would like to make a stand for mo
Am Sonntag, den 28.06.2009, 16:40 +0100 schrieb Roy Bamford:
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> On 2009.06.28 10:00, Tiziano Müller wrote:
> > Am Freitag, den 26.06.2009, 07:15 -0600 schrieb Denis Dupeyron:
> > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Ben de Groot
> > wrote:
> > > > T
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Roy Bamford wrote:
> Oh. Don't talk about 'common sense' GLEP39 does not mention it, so it
> doesn't count ... and its much rarer than you may think.
>
I would like to make a stand for more usage of common sense and
"wisdom" in interpretation of rules. It more ofte
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On 2009.06.28 10:00, Tiziano Müller wrote:
> Am Freitag, den 26.06.2009, 07:15 -0600 schrieb Denis Dupeyron:
> > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Ben de Groot
> wrote:
> > > To appoint as proxy for a council meeting someone who has been
> booted
> > >
On 11:41 Fri 26 Jun , Richard Freeman wrote:
> However, those who have questioned the wisdom of cirianm as a proxy do
> have a point. Technical knowledge alone is not the critiera of a
> council member. One needs to be able to build consensus - not that we
> need to be strangled by cons
Am Freitag, den 26.06.2009, 07:15 -0600 schrieb Denis Dupeyron:
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
> > To appoint as proxy for a council meeting someone who has been booted
> > from Gentoo is a clear lapse of judgement, and would in my eyes
> > disqualify the involved council me
Richard Freeman wrote:
> I suspect most devs just avoid the drama.
++
Less worrying, more working
--
Jim Ramsay
Gentoo Developer (rox/fluxbox/gkrellm/vim)
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Ben de Groot wrote:
In my opinion it is in the best interest of Gentoo at this point to
ignore Exherbo and to silence those people involved with Exherbo that
have been so divisive and generated so much conflict in Gentoo channels.
Nobody needs to be silenced (unless they're litereally spammin
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 14:46 +0200, Ben de Groot wrote:
> Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
> > I think it would be in the best interest of both Exherbo and Gentoo to
> > elect
> > [...] to the Gentoo Council.
>
> I would think the only thing that matters is the best interest of
> Gentoo. This is after all
Ben de Groot wrote:
> I would think the only thing that matters is the best interest of
> Gentoo. This is after all the _Gentoo_ Council we're speaking of, not a
> body that is concerned with non-Gentoo matters.
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> In my opinion it is in the best interest of Gentoo at this point to
> ignore
Denis Dupeyron wrote:
> I'd be ready to believe part of it was that he wanted to
> experiment. And experiments sometimes succeed, or sometimes they fail,
Well, experimentation is OK (and I would encourage it for many things),
but I'm not sure I'd agree that experimentally giving someone council
po
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
> To appoint as proxy for a council meeting someone who has been booted
> from Gentoo is a clear lapse of judgement, and would in my eyes
> disqualify the involved council member from functioning in that position.
As Petteri noted it's not obvio
Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
> I think it would be in the best interest of both Exherbo and Gentoo to elect
> [...] to the Gentoo Council.
I would think the only thing that matters is the best interest of
Gentoo. This is after all the _Gentoo_ Council we're speaking of, not a
body that is concerned wit
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:04:14 +0530
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> Oh so you'll argue semantics now? The spirit of the rule is
> excessively clear. No non-gentoo-developer can be a member of council
> -- permanent, temporary, or proxy.
The spirit and the letter of the rules are clear: the electorate ca
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Ciaran McCreesh
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:09 +0530
>> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>>> Allowing him to proxy in a council meeting is both disallowed
>>> (non-gentoo devs cannot be on the council)
>> Please point to the rule that sa
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:50:22 +1200
Alistair Bush wrote:
> I would believe that recent history would show the opposite. There
> seem to be a group of developers at which the mere mention of ciaranm
> results in setting them off. Regardless of the technical merits of a
> solution they seem more i
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Alistair Bush wrote:
> > Sorry to rain on your parade, but with ciaranm's consistent history,
> > allowing him to participate in Gentoo's discussions itself is a
> > privilege of patience on the part of the Gentoo community.
> >
>
> I would believe that recent hist
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Ciaran McCreesh
wrote:
>
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:09 +0530
> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> > Allowing him to proxy in a council meeting is both disallowed
> > (non-gentoo devs cannot be on the council)
>
> Please point to the rule that says that a non-developer can
On Fri, June 26, 2009 03:13, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
> Please be quiet.
why ?, maillists is imho made to be used in non silent mode else one could
aswell argue to close it down
--
xpoint
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:09 +0530
> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>
>> Allowing him to proxy in a council meeting is both disallowed
>> (non-gentoo devs cannot be on the council)
>>
>
> Please point to the rule that says that a non-developer cannot be on
> the Council,
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
>> between both. This strengthening bridge of understanding can be seen in dev-
>> zero's move to appoint ciaranm as his proxy for today's council meeting.
>>
>
> Sorry to rain on your parade, but with ciaranm's
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:09 +0530
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> Allowing him to proxy in a council meeting is both disallowed
> (non-gentoo devs cannot be on the council)
Please point to the rule that says that a non-developer cannot be on
the Council, and please point to the rule that says that a C
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
> between both. This strengthening bridge of understanding can be seen in dev-
> zero's move to appoint ciaranm as his proxy for today's council meeting.
>
Sorry to rain on your parade, but with ciaranm's consistent history,
allowing him to
On Wednesday, 24. June 2009 17:48:38 Doug Goldstein wrote:
> I wanted to take this time to encourage everyone who can vote in this
> year's council elections. This is your chance to affect the technical
> development for Gentoo for the coming year and I encourage you to take
> it.
Cardoe said it v
Denis Dupeyron wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reminder, Doug.
>
> Make sure to also check everybody's manifesto here:
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/elections/council-200906-nominees.xml
Just for the record - i did add my manifesto to the elections page
myself as that somehow got missed.
- Tobias
Thanks for the reminder, Doug.
Make sure to also check everybody's manifesto here:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/elections/council-200906-nominees.xml
Denis.
Hello everyone,
I wanted to take this time to encourage everyone who can vote in this
year's council elections. This is your chance to affect the technical
development for Gentoo for the coming year and I encourage you to take
it. Voting is easy, just login to your account on dev.gentoo.org and
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