On 2017.05.29 11:59, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
> On 27/05/17 18:17, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> > But you do gentoo wrong, so as a user I'd like you to reconsider
> what
> > you wrote there and maybe take a long vacation.
> I too do not hate our users (in which I include myself).
>
> Treating users as
On 27/05/17 18:17, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> But you do gentoo wrong, so as a user I'd like you to reconsider what
> you wrote there and maybe take a long vacation.
I too do not hate our users (in which I include myself).
Treating users as a worthless nuisance, unless they're writing ebuilds
or mana
On 05/24/2017 12:24 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
Yes, I *do not want feedback* on *how to do Gentoo* from people who do
*not help me do Gentoo* but instead only complain and demand.
But you do gentoo wrong, so as a user I'd like you to reconsider what
you wrote there and maybe take a long vacati
On 05/23/2017 12:31 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> [snip]
> Your comments?
>
Since it's adding a list instead of warping an existing one, I say go
ahead on the condition that everything important finds its way to a more
open list. I'm subscribed to enough as it is.
I am skeptical that it will lead to
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On śro, 2017-05-24 at 11:54 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
>>
>> I was using the Firefox PulseAudio event as another example of stuff
>> that happens in some obscure location that ordinary users don't know
>> about. It was https://bugzilla.mozil
On śro, 2017-05-24 at 11:54 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 05:51:00AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote
>
> > What value would be obtained by posting this stuff for user comment?
> > I'd also note that only one of those was posted on -dev-announce for
> > comment as far as I'm aware.
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 05:51:00AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote
> What value would be obtained by posting this stuff for user comment?
> I'd also note that only one of those was posted on -dev-announce for
> comment as far as I'm aware. Two are package/project-level changes
> which typically don't g
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
>.
> I agree with the others who've said that they don't think this is the
> right solution. I've previously agreed we need moderation. I would
> advocate that infra work on better moderation tools and/or mailing
> list infrastructure tha
Hi fellow Gentoo dev and user that read the list,
Le 23 mai à 21:31 Michał Górny a écrit
[…]
> Initially, the posting group would include active Gentoo developers
> only. Afterwards, we will deploy a small moderator team whose purpose
> would be controlling access to the list -- including both ad
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> I'd like to request Infra to establish a new mailing list that would
> fill in the gap between our public mailing lists and the gentoo-core
> mailing list.
I agree with the others who've said that they don't think this is the
right solution.
On śro, 2017-05-24 at 13:39 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 24/05/2017 12:24, Michał Górny wrote:
> > On śro, 2017-05-24 at 03:48 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 08:41:25AM +0200, Micha?? Górny wrote
> > > > Next time such a thing happens, the discussion will happen on a
>
On 24/05/2017 12:24, Michał Górny wrote:
> On śro, 2017-05-24 at 03:48 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 08:41:25AM +0200, Micha?? Górny wrote
>>> Next time such a thing happens, the discussion will happen on a
>>> completely private media or not happen at all because of the stat
On śro, 2017-05-24 at 03:48 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 08:41:25AM +0200, Micha?? Górny wrote
> > Next time such a thing happens, the discussion will happen on a
> > completely private media or not happen at all because of the state
> > of this mailing list. Is this what you
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 3:48 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 08:41:25AM +0200, Micha?? Górny wrote
>> Next time such a thing happens, the discussion will happen on a
>> completely private media or not happen at all because of the state
>> of this mailing list. Is this what you rea
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 08:41:25AM +0200, Micha?? Górny wrote
> Next time such a thing happens, the discussion will happen on a
> completely private media or not happen at all because of the state
> of this mailing list. Is this what you really want?
Here's the part you did not quote...
>> If w
On 05/24/2017 08:41 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> Next time such a thing happens, the discussion will happen on a
> completely private media or not happen at all because of the state of
> this mailing list. Is this what you really want?
I wouldn't agree with it being an axiom of sorts that discussion
On śro, 2017-05-24 at 01:55 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> Let's step back a minute, and consider *WHY* non-developers feel the
> need to join this list in the first place. Do you remember the acrimony
> after the decision to not officially support a separate /usr without
> initramfs? A lot of peo
On śro, 2017-05-24 at 07:29 +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 23 May 2017, William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 09:31:18PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > I'd like to request Infra to establish a new mailing list that would
> > > fill in the gap between our public mailin
Let's step back a minute, and consider *WHY* non-developers feel the
need to join this list in the first place. Do you remember the acrimony
after the decision to not officially support a separate /usr without
initramfs? A lot of people who complained on the Gentoo-User list were
bluntly told t
> On Tue, 23 May 2017, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 09:31:18PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
>> I'd like to request Infra to establish a new mailing list that would
>> fill in the gap between our public mailing lists and the gentoo-core
>> mailing list.
>>
>> Name: gentoo-dev-i
Hi all,
On 2017-05-23 21:08, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 09:31:18PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> > Hi, everyone.
> >
> > I'd like to request Infra to establish a new mailing list that would
> > fill in the gap between our public mailing lists and the gentoo-core
> > mailing lis
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 09:31:18PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> Hi, everyone.
>
> I'd like to request Infra to establish a new mailing list that would
> fill in the gap between our public mailing lists and the gentoo-core
> mailing list.
>
> Name: gentoo-dev-internal
>
> Topic: technical discuss
The same asnow with other words?, wouldn it be possible to repost peoples
mail in gen-dev?. I mean instead of leting people send mail to gen-int we
kidnapped the mail and send it to gen-dev so that all using gen-dev gets
the hole conversion, and does only subscribe to gen-int only get to se
posts
On Tue, 23 May 2017 20:32:03 +
Erik Närström wrote:
> I'snt the idea of creating a new mailing list to let gentoo-dev be
> mesy?, in that case we could simply redirect all non-aproved posts
> from gen-int to gen-dev.
I mean, messy in the sense you'd have replies, but no obvious parent
for th
I'snt the idea of creating a new mailing list to let gentoo-dev be mesy?,
in that case we could simply redirect all non-aproved posts from gen-int to
gen-dev.
/EKG
On 23 May 2017 22:04, "Kent Fredric" wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2017 21:31:18 +0200
> Michał Górny wrote:
>
> > - public (open subscr
On Tue, 23 May 2017 15:52:52 -0400
Philip Webb wrote:
> Is this proposal itself not just a waste of valuable developer time
> in moderating, censoring & deciding who is a sheep & who is a goat ?
Its not censorship, because censorship is the practice of preventing
something from being said in ent
On Tue, 23 May 2017 21:31:18 +0200
Michał Górny wrote:
> - public (open subscription), initially we may optionally copy all
> subscribers from gentoo-dev so that they do not miss discussion,
What would be the result if somebody replied to a g-dev-internal ML
without permission?
I think there sh
170523 Michał Górny wrote:
> Sadly, it is not uncommon for threads on that mailing list to turn into
> trollfests, get deranged or hijacked into completely different topics.
> Things are so bad that the mailing list stops serving its purpose. It
> involves a number of consequences:
As a user, I've
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
>
> A. It gives a wider choice of tools for developers (and privileged
> contributors) -- they can choose either the open or restricted mailing
> list depending on the type of requested feedback.
>
> B. The gentoo-dev mailing list is still open
Hi, everyone.
I'd like to request Infra to establish a new mailing list that would
fill in the gap between our public mailing lists and the gentoo-core
mailing list.
Name: gentoo-dev-internal
Topic: technical discussions between active Gentoo contributors
Restrictions:
- public (open subscript
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