Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-17 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:33:51 PM Zac Medico wrote: > On 10/16/2011 06:07 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Zac Medico wrote: > >> I don't think it's a good idea for Gentoo to encourage users to have > >> /usr on a separate partition. We should probably remove the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, October 15, 2011 09:29:54 AM Michał Górny wrote: > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:06:03 -0400 > > "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:14:31AM -0400, Olivier Cr?te wrote > > > > > We're imposing our deep integration because it's the only way to > > > make a compelling platfor

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-18 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 06:40:03 PM Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:36:27AM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > (The other reason I think systemd and udev might merge at some point, or > at least have good IPC between them, because there is a potential for >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, September 16, 2011 06:06:35 PM Duncan wrote: > Joost Roeleveld posted on Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:36:27 +0200 as excerpted: > > I agree, I just used this example to explain that it shouldn't be > > necessary to force an initramfs on all users just because there is a >

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:18:27 PM Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:00:47PM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > > See below on the existing udev retry queue that is hiding many of > > > the > > > issues from you. This hidden issues

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 08:32:17 PM Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > Will the ebuild automatically add all the different modules into the > > /etc/dracut.conf ? > > Please note, I am asking these questions to pu

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, September 16, 2011 12:27:19 AM Michał Górny wrote: > On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 00:13:15 +0200 > > Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > I think systemd is nice for desktops/laptops. But on servers it seems > > to be overkill to me and as I umount filesystems as part of my >

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 03:56:19 PM William Hubbs wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 09:27:06AM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: > > On 09/15/2011 09:04 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > > Thank you for your response, however, I do have a few questions > > > about th

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 01:34:50 PM Zac Medico wrote: > On 09/15/2011 01:03 PM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > But, with udev then failing, will there be the /dev-entries to mount the > > different partitions to fix the environment? > > I the preferred approach is to ena

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 08:31:51 PM Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:03:53PM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > On Thursday, September 15, 2011 09:27:06 AM Zac Medico wrote: > > > On 09/15/2011 09:04 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > > > Thank

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 04:27:35 PM Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > On Thursday, September 15, 2011 09:27:06 AM Zac Medico wrote: > > > It should be similar to how sys-apps/v86d is used for uvesafb > > > supp

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 04:54:38 PM Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > It is my understanding all the options need to be specified every time > > dracut > > is run to create an initramfs. If this becomes mandatory, w

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 07:41:57 PM Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 04:33:01PM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > The use for an initrd/initramfs/... will create an additional layer of > > complexity a lot of us users are not really waiting for, especiall

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 02:29:20 PM Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Zac Medico wrote: > > On 09/15/2011 07:33 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > > The use for an initrd/initramfs/... will create an additional layer > > > of > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 09:31:45 PM Luca Barbato wrote: > On 15/09/2011 16:33, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > Hi Devs, > > > > Not sure if you are aware of the discussions on the gentoo-user list > > about the upcoming change where systemd and udev require /usr t

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 09:27:06 AM Zac Medico wrote: > On 09/15/2011 09:04 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > Thank you for your response, however, I do have a few questions about > > this. Where will this default initramfs actually need to be placed? > > It should be si

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 08:07:35 AM Zac Medico wrote: > On 09/15/2011 07:33 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > The use for an initrd/initramfs/... will create an additional layer of > > complexity a lot of us users are not really waiting for, especially as > > we are not s

[gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
x it inside a chroot where it's not easy to check what is actually going wrong during the boot-process as the different tools can then not be run with the error-messages printed to the console. Kind regards, Joost Roeleveld