Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Wyatt Epp
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Alec Warner wrote: > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags > Ack, this had to happen on a weekend when I wasn't paying attention! And you beat me to it, too-- I was working on something in this vein, but wasn't quite satisfied with the design yet. Oh well. Yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 16:03:38 +0100 Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 23/03/14 15:46, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > "This GLEP author would love to blight categories out of gentoo > > history as a giant mistake." That's not what I wrote. It's a quotation. > It does not matter. Just remove that line. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 23:47:22 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Tags work best when they describe narrow, clearly defined attributes, > and the thing they are applied to can have one, two or more of these > attributes or sometimes even none. Music and movie genres are an > excellent example - there are

[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2014-03-23 23h59 UTC

2014-03-23 Thread Robin H. Johnson
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed from the tree, for the week ending 2014-03-23 23h59 UTC. Removals: virtual/emacs-cedet 2014-03-17 00:30:00 ulm gnustep-libs/cddb 2014-03-17 10:15:57 voyageur app

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/23/2014 19:18, Kent Fredric wrote: > On 24 March 2014 11:54, Joshua Kinard wrote: > >> That said, Is XML that specific that every single atom has to be wrapped by >> an individual tag? A comma-separated list of values in its own XML tag is >> prohibited by the spec? I don't use XML often

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Kent Fredric
On 24 March 2014 11:54, Joshua Kinard wrote: > That said, Is XML that specific that every single atom has to be wrapped by > an individual tag? A comma-separated list of values in its own XML tag is > prohibited by the spec? I don't use XML often (if at all), so I am not > familiar with its int

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/23/2014 17:51, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2014-03-23, o godz. 17:40:20 > Joshua Kinard napisał(a): > >> On 03/23/2014 17:05, Michał Górny wrote: >>> Dnia 2014-03-23, o godz. 16:27:43 >>> Joshua Kinard napisał(a): >>> On 03/23/2014 15:44, Michał Górny wrote: > Tags, on the other ha

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-03-23, o godz. 17:40:20 Joshua Kinard napisał(a): > On 03/23/2014 17:05, Michał Górny wrote: > > Dnia 2014-03-23, o godz. 16:27:43 > > Joshua Kinard napisał(a): > > > >> On 03/23/2014 15:44, Michał Górny wrote: > >>> Tags, on the other hand, are more 'live'. They place the package > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/03/2014 22:08, hasufell wrote: > Michał Górny: >> Dnia 2014-03-22, o godz. 15:33:27 Alec Warner >> napisał(a): > >>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags >>> >>> Object or forever hold your peace. > > >> I'd honestly prefer that -- if we should really keep tags in the >> tree -- to d

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/23/2014 17:05, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2014-03-23, o godz. 16:27:43 > Joshua Kinard napisał(a): > >> On 03/23/2014 15:44, Michał Górny wrote: >>> Tags, on the other hand, are more 'live'. They place the package >>> somewhere in the 'global' tag hierarchy that can change over time. >>> I

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-03-23, o godz. 16:27:43 Joshua Kinard napisał(a): > On 03/23/2014 15:44, Michał Górny wrote: > > Tags, on the other hand, are more 'live'. They place the package > > somewhere in the 'global' tag hierarchy that can change over time. > > I expect that people other than maintainers will b

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/23/2014 15:44, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2014-03-22, o godz. 15:33:27 > Alec Warner napisał(a): > >> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags >> >> Object or forever hold your peace. > > Honestly, I don't think metadata.xml is a good place for it. While I > like the consistency with gene

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Michał Górny: > Dnia 2014-03-22, o godz. 15:33:27 Alec Warner > napisał(a): > >> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags >> >> Object or forever hold your peace. > > > I'd honestly prefer that -- if we should really keep tags in the > tree --

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-03-22, o godz. 15:33:27 Alec Warner napisał(a): > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags > > Object or forever hold your peace. Honestly, I don't think metadata.xml is a good place for it. While I like the consistency with general use of that file, I feel like it's going to make th

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 hasufell: > Alec Warner: >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Tom Wijsman >> wrote: so I'm not entirely interested in tag consistency > > What are they for then if I cannot efficiently use them to search > for software? (which I cannot, if there is

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Alec Warner: > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Tom Wijsman > wrote: so I'm not entirely interested in tag consistency What are they for then if I cannot efficiently use them to search for software? (which I cannot, if there is no consistency) ---

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700 > Alec Warner wrote: > > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags > > > > Object or forever hold your peace. > > > > Or argue for 100 posts, either way. > > A possible problem with this would be whether m

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 23:48:06 + > hasufell wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > Alec Warner: > > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags > > > > > > Object or forever hold your peace. > > > > > > Or

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 23/03/14 15:46, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > "This GLEP author would love to blight categories out of gentoo > history as a giant mistake." It does not matter. Just remove that line. It is irrelevant. - -- Alexander berna...@gentoo.org https://secur

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700 Alec Warner wrote: > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags "This GLEP author would love to blight categories out of gentoo history as a giant mistake." Why? jer

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[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Duncan
Ciaran McCreesh posted on Sun, 23 Mar 2014 12:02:58 + as excerpted: > On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 00:04:08 + hasufell wrote: >> Ciaran McCreesh: >> > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700 Alec Warner >> > wrote: >> >> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags >> > >> > And do what with them? Right

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Ciaran McCreesh: > On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 00:04:08 + hasufell > wrote: >> Ciaran McCreesh: >>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700 Alec Warner >>> wrote: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags >>> >>> And do what with them? Right now this

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 00:04:08 + hasufell wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh: > > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700 Alec Warner > > wrote: > >> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags > > > > And do what with them? Right now this is a solution without a > > problem. > > > > Finding packages. Descri

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Alexander Hof
Alec Warner dixit: > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags Without expecting to have any weight on the discussion, I just wanted to let you know: As a system maintainer I like to use the categories, e.g. when doing 'eix -I media-fonts/' or in package.use 'media-fonts/* X'.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700 Alec Warner wrote: > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags > > Object or forever hold your peace. > > Or argue for 100 posts, either way. A possible problem with this would be whether much maintainers would be concerned enough to spend their time on this.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 23:48:06 + hasufell wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Alec Warner: > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags > > > > Object or forever hold your peace. > > > > Or argue for 100 posts, either way. > > Sounds good, but how do we get consi